Rebuilding 2012

See your point totally but it's Origen can be proved as I have the original chip with sticker on ... Just throwing something in the mix ! Nothing to prove and nowt to hide just a tech debate

mechanic28

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i vote on give up lock the thread jay nothing will be 1100% conclusive or at least this is what i am led to believe by what i have read on this thread

mechanic28

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also i would like to add

did u know Giraffes can go without water longer than a camel. That’s wild!

botters

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thats because they can fill up to the back of the teeth lol

Rebuilding 2012

Understand what you are saying but its a forum and this is a tech debate ... Piston pics needed and just to remember its only 3. 5 to 4 deg over the calculation therefore chance is where I mapped it and hit top line to find mbt then worked back was correct . . What everyone is missing is eaven tho my charge for mapping was low I still spent 4 hours on said car ... No one is bum licking anyone ! Stu I have had contact with many times and also share the same feelings about exs lol Stu is clever and in my book there is him and mark shead

Rebuilding 2012

Sorry hit wrong button . There is him and mark shead that really produce amazing results .. Karl has done the same I have seen his work first hand .. But all aside you will never no unless you try . I have had some good results and bad ones .. Fact is to tOny is post pics lets have it's debate fairly !

SiZT

It's one of Tony's chips, you've already told us

So it's all your fault then??

Essentially the difference between a det damaged piston and a heat damaged piston

What spec was Rainbirds chip for? T4 and 55lb he's mentioned

brad

The Statue of Liberty's index finger is eight feet long

750hp escos

Yes they were conservative figure worked out on that rough spec and lukes ones that have been posted by tony on this thread are actual live ones from the dyno..

as for the cars being richer on rollers to road that is not the case when mapping on a dd rr because the boost seen on last graph is the boost used when mapping so afr and boost would be the same on road..

If a car makes less boost on the dyno to the road then yes it will appear to be richer on the dyno but as said that isnt the case here plus with the fueling luke left the car with it would of had to of made a lot more boost on road to even worry..

Yes all the best afrs seen on the dd rr where marks,stus live maps and karls live maps...

the only thing you could say about any of the live maps was that they were abit rich at the top where you would expect as mapping on the road right up there for any lengths is a bloody hard job..

The black escos i bought of this site had an nms engine and map and was awesome..the day i got it back we put it on rollers and it made 357 hp and 362 lb ft iirc..

The boost was 34 psi peak and 28 held and the afr went from .85 down to .74 at the end ,luke trimmed the fuelling a bit and got a bit more spark in there with the help of tractive effort on the dd rr and we got 390 hp and 405 lb ft out of it!!

This was over 2 years ago now and its still going strong now,even the t34 is holding up!!


cheers danny

foreigneRS

by butting in when you don't understand it just to try and get back at chip in some silly way, you belittle yourself you pathetic troll.

CossieRich

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Where's the pics of the pistons Tony? You got time to post on here and say you havent got time to take a picture. In that time you could have taken a picture and uploaded

Turbosystems

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I know
it adds to the drama

seriously though I am very busy and when I am sat near the pistons I'm not sat near the camera and when I am sat near the camera I'm not sat near the pistons
I am waiting till the rope is long enough and the hole is deep enough
We just need to get danny to take in the fact that the fpr pipe didn't come off but moonstone is fed up of posting this for it to fall on deaf ears
and I have to agree with Ima here what sort of person would set up his old engine to run 500 bhp
Moonstone has seen the pistons as he took them out he asked me what this funny pitting was and why the ring was trapped I told him it was the dreaded piston cancer roflol

v man

And the human body has the same amount of bones in the neck as a giraffe. That's just crazy!

brad

No, I once coughed hiccup'd and sharted at the same time! THAT was crazy

cossie891

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Cool fact time again

Did you know the the woodpecker has a really long tongue that it wraps it around its brain to protect it when dropping the nut trees

cossie891

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Brad what's sharted mate

ozmk1cos

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?um=1...9,r:8,s:0,i:98

cossie891

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Lmfao I thought it was something like that

Jay,

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Carlos-Titx

I shart quite often. It's not good.

Did you know a giraffe has no vocal cords.

Chip

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Must say it does seem weird that this was such a big deal to tony but he hasnt bothered to just grab a quick phone pic of the pistons (or get someone else to if he doesnt own a phone, lol)

CossieRich

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Chip,

Apprently the fpr pipe didnt come off at all, so im not sure where the argument is actually at anymore lol

Rab

Hang on a mo..... Steve, can you clarify something??

Did the vaccum pipe come off your Dump Valve, or your FPR? I was under the impression, from the thread back when it actually happened, that it came off the FPR. Now people are saying it came off the d/v?

Which was it mate?

Chip

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And are the two t-pieced together of course, cause if they are then it would still drop the fuel pressure if either one came off.

750hp escos

Im now fed up with whole thing tbh..

Tony was being a child and ignoring me because he still had the hump from the day we made his million Ł live map better for cossie4i,i put out and olive branch for tony to just bury the hatchet and move on and asked to buy a supra diff conversion..

Tony tries coming on here to slate lukes map and make it look the worst map in the world and then since then has waffled about shit since with no other evidence and infact what evidence he has given has proven to fail on his part because no one can say it was the map that caused the damage...


If some one has a car with what ever spec and asks for it to be mapped to full potential its at their risk and no one elses so if steves engine was a shit second hand job that he knew nothing about then imo he is very silly to expect a safe 500 hp..

Luke nor anyone else can be held responsible for any type of failure as long as the mapping it self was good and the car left in working order which luke says it did...



Im not really interested in any other discussion now unless its some real evidence or factual on the matter....



cheers danny

Rab

This too! I'd never have a chump v/v on the same vac line as the fpr!

Stu @ M Developments

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If you are TOTALLY honest Danny, you started this battle with your comment about Steve not getting a good deal on his engine from Tony... back on post 118 of this topic.
(Link here) https://passionford.com/forum/5994279-post118.html

Tony had ignored your comments about him on many topics, I myself pulled you on them twice personally as it was getting daft, only this time, Tony finally retaliated.

We have personally had this discussion before Danny, tuner wars do nobody any favours, and if you don't like them I can only suggest you don't constantly incite them because on forums you tend to reap what you sow mate.

750hp escos

Yes your right but because of what i said above..

If me and you speak which we have we bury the hatchet and move on but tony just couldnt do that so yes i gave a dig here and there so what??


I dont give a toss about his childish fucking ways and arguments with nothing to back it up..



Youve seen all the facts all the answers to this and still dont give your opinion and then when i com out with any thing you come and defend tony yet again!!!


Why dont you be straight and honest here and give your honest opinion on the whole thing now??

Std head, bd14 inlet, 7.43.1 cr,83lbers,all the ignition figures have been posted earlier by tony himself and youve seen all the other arguments..


You could probably end this argument today if only you were fair and honest with your opinion on all the accounts argued about but instead when i say things from my point of view you come on sticking up for tony!!! wtf??

Come on stu be fair with me just for once and il let the whole tony thing go once and for all


cheers danny

Stu @ M Developments

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Makes sod all odds to me mate, you and Tony do what you like, I am just pointing out that this argument started because of you. Not backing him up at all, feel free to show somewhere in this thread where Tony made the first move?


Off you go again... for the SECOND time, I have given my opinion. here it is again.


Yes, and my reply to that post was:



Your perspective is skewed, all I have done is remind you that YOU started this, not Tony. I have advised on your ignition figures as requested and also advised what I personally would have expected to see. No more, no less. What more would you like me to do to make you happy?


Be fair for once? No comment...

CossieRich

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All getting a bit ott now. Tony could have posted a picture of the pistons and perhaps put this whole thing to bed by now. After all, he's had time to post up igntion figures agaisnt boost and rpm, which takes longer to type than take a photo.

And Danny - Stu has answered about igntion figures and in his opinion they were a tad on the high side.

Seems to me, no one is right and no one is wrong, as no one can actually prove why the engine let go!

May as well leave it at that

Stu @ M Developments

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Agreed. And I am tired of it as every time I try and help I get accused of being unfair and one sided.

750hp escos

Stu i have said on a lot more than one occasion that its only .65 bar of boost at 4.5k

Thanks for high lighting each point i made i thought i was talking to chip then!!

What about the top boost line of 1.87 ?what is your opinion on this??


cheers danny

CossieRich

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Danny,

So even though the map was for 1.87 bar of boost at 4.5K as per Tony's figures, the turbo only produces .65 bar of boost at 4.5k?

Is that correct?

Stu @ M Developments

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Precisely, and since we have no ignition figures available to us for 0.65bar at 4500rpm I am not sure what you want anyone to say? I asked why such low boost there, but your didn't reply.
I even suggested it wasn't done out on the road and boost was artificially low due to being mapped on rollers, as a T4 is coming on song there usually.

As per what I said above, quoted from hundreds of posts ago...

750hp escos

Yes thats correct mate


cheers danny

750hp escos

I will have to ask again what the ignition values were there as im not with the pc at mo but the car with full load wouldnt really come on song till 5k as thats when the boost was strong..

It was just a lazy engine in them respects and would not make more boost there..



cheers danny

flannigan

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Was it as lazy on the road ? As in 5th gear at 4500 rpm on the road what boost did it make ?
Also what was the air fuel ratio like on the road on boost because as far as im aware cars run richer on the rollers than they do in normal driving conditions so therefore is it not a possibility that no det was present on the rolling road but on the motorway for instance the higher level of boost at 4500 rpm coupled with a leaner air fuel ratio det occurred ?

flannigan

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And also what were the air temps like on the rollers as if the act was in the 60s when mapped to a specific boost level ie .65 bar when it's cold on the road act20 degrees it may make 2 bar at the same rpm

Jay,

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ive tried to get this across several times good luck

foreigneRS

that is weird. he clearly has the ability to post pics quickly when he wants - you only have had to follow the desert storm coming home thread to know that. he had pictures of that up quickly enough.

i think danny and/or luke have said that the map was done in steady state conditions on the rollers, which they semm to think is as good as being on the road. obviously in terms of temperatures, it will not be.