actionman

Hi

i've got IDS & seem to be having a bit of trouble programming keys to canbus vehicles.

So far i've tried it on a 2007 Transit, 2008 Mondeo & 2006 Focus. It works perfectly with older models but when i try it with canbus vehicles it won't connect & i just get an error

anybody got any ideas?

Thanks


Craig

Karl 3dr

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Have you got latest level disc installed? All updates installed? What fault are you getting?

actionman

it's V74 & i've got all the updates for it. It came with 2 discs. 1 had 4 different versions, the latest being V74 & then the other disc just had 1 file on it that said ids-dvd-full

off the top of my head i can't remember what the error code was. I usually store them on my phone but i broke it the other day & i'm waiting for my replacement to come

bobster1982

I take it you have a way of getting Incodes?

actionman

yes, several!

bobster1982

Is it a genuine IDS or a clone? I've had problems getting PATS access with cloned tools. And I hope I'm not teaching you to suck eggs but your staying connected when you get the Outcode as they change on each connection.

Karl 3dr

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I was going to ask that, you're not disconnecting the usb lead from ids when entering the details into etis are you? Will check part number for you

kdavie86

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bobster1982

I have incode/outcode software to work with the ad100, t-300 and MPV Key programmers. It doesn't need tokens or a dongle or Etis.

Drop me a PM and I will sort you out.

actionman

well i've just bought Focom. Going to see how I get on with it. According to it's info it will program keys to vehicles up to 2010/11

I have also just bought some credits on www.patscode.com

kdavie86

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actionman

Hi mate

Focom as worked with everything i've tried so far so i'm pretty happy with it. Tested it on my mates 2006 Focus which the IDS wouldn't give me the outcode but the Focom gave me it quite quickly.

Then i just accessed www.patscode.com with my phone to get the incode! very simple!

kdavie86

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actionman

well once i'd decided I was going to buy Focom I sold the VCM. Didn't see the point in having 2 different things. Especially as Focom cost me knocking on for Ł300.

To be honest I honest i don't use Focom that often. I bought it mainly to program new keys to the newer Fords that my MVP key programmer won't work with. Such as the 2005 onwards Focus, 2006 onwards Transit etc

actionman

bit of an update. Tried using Focom to fully program a new key to a 2007 Focus yesterday but it wouldn't do it.

It gave the outcode ok as it did when i tried it on my mates so i got the correct incode from patscode.com. After the incode is entered Focom instructs you to put the new key in the ignition & then press "cancel" for coding

A communications status bar is there with the bar filling up repeatedly. I tried waiting for about 10mins with the status bar doing it's thing but that didn't change anything & then as soon as you click "cancel" as instructed it just gives an error message

I tried repeatedly for about 1hr with no luck. I've emailed the supplier & they've asked me to email them the debug files & also snapshots of the PCM & IPC info. Just waiting for a reply.

The annoying thing is it took 4 of my patscode credits trying to program the key. Hopefully they can give me some useful info as to why it wouldn't program.

Focom didn't tell me how many keys were already programmed to the car so it may be up to it's limit & i didn't want to risk erasing all the keys in case it still didn't program any as the customer would be left with no working keys

kdavie86

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actionman

I read the transponder with my AD900 & it read the id ok. I know when i've come across faulty transponders before it just says transponder missing or something similar.

With Focom you have to add the VIN, ECU part number, serial number & reason for needing patscode.

I didn't get a full years subscription as I wasn't sure which way i'd end up going equipment wise. I'm wanting to buy an MVP Pro or AD100 Pro mainly for VAG precoding but will use it for Ford as well if it will do the CAN keys ok.

I'm still waiting for a reply from OBDtester & Secons to see if they have any idea why it failed. The customer want it sorting sooner rather than later so i've told them if I don't get a reply by Monday afternoon i'll put a TPX2 chip in their key & just clone it. I'm not really a fan of the idea of cloning but sometimes when needs must.

I've got a Galaxy & another Focus to do in the next couple of weeks so i'll see what happens with them & i'll put a comment on here to let you know if they went ok or not

Craig

actionman

bit of an update.

I've been back this aft & replaced the 4D63 chip with cloned tpx2 chip. The new remote with cloned chip initially didn't work in turning the immob off. I scanned it again with my AD900 & it verified it had exact same id as their original chip.

So i took apart the remote, put the blade in the ignition & held the clone chip next to the barrel. It worked perfectly. So basically i had to cut away some of the inside of the key head where the chip sits to make sure the chip sat closer to the end of the key & nearer the transponder ring.

So i think the reason the original 4D63 chip i tried to program failed is that transponder ring has lost some of it's range & possibly added to that that the remote cases i used may be thicker than their original key which may be getting in the way of the transponder signal

I've got another focus to do at the back end of next week so i'll see how it goes with that 1. At least if i encounter the same problem i'll know what it is this time & can modify the inside of the remote

Craig

kdavie86

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kdavie86

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actionman

where did you get the new key from? do you have a part number for it? every Vec C i do now is a flip style key. Even Vaux don't supply the original 3 button fixed blade type key anymore.

Also, try buying op-com from ebay. It's Vx diag software & extremely handy for how little it costs.

With Vec C the remote locking/alarm function is programmed in at the same time as the transpnder chip. With the older Vx you program the transponder 1st then you have to go into the body control module to program the remote locking

kdavie86

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actionman

I've bought keys direct from Vauxhall before but now i get all my keys etc through 3D Group in Nottingham.

The locked display on the dash is probably just because the key hasn't been programmed or the transponder is incorrect. I'd seriously recommend buying op-com. You can do a diagnostic to check why the id46 isn't programming to the car.

Where did you get the chip from? I checked on 3D Group website & they don't list id46 transponder as a seperate item. They're always built into keys. The id46 chips that are listed seperate are for Renault, Peugeot, Citroen etc

Also i've never used my MVP to program keys to Vec C. I always use op-com.

kdavie86

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actionman

you're welcome mate!

what do you use for Volvo & Merc keys?

kdavie86

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actionman

nope, neither AD100 or MVP can program Volvo keys. Mt AD900 can clone some Volvo & Merc transponders but not many.

Depending on how much athe Volvo & Merc key programming software works out it may not be worth it for me. May take quite a while to earn that money back with them being manufacturer specific.

At the moment i seem to be doing shed loads of Renault key cards. Wasn't doing many before as genuine key cards are quite expensive so by the time i've added my bit on for programming, cutting & travelling etc it can work out more expensive than getting 1 sorted at the dealers. Depending on how far I was travelling.

Now though 3D Group have introduced they're own Renault keys cards which are about half the price of genuine Renault cards i can give good quotes now which has given me more work. Done 3 today & doing another tomorrow.

kdavie86

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actionman

i know what you mean. Spending a fair few Ł100 or even Ł1000 is pretty pointless if you're not doing many jobs with that equipment.

Just been quoted Ł450 for some equipment that reads pin cods in Vx CANBUS systems. It also programmes Renault & some Volvo. I can already do most Renault so no bothered about that feature, although i could then sell my Renault programming software & get some cash back

http://www.obdiichina.com/opel-tool/531015.html

I reckon it'd be worth it for me just for the Vx CANBUS pin code reading

kdavie86

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actionman

I use True Code. It's a good bit of kit, easy to use & really quick. The longest part is having to wait for 2 mins before you start the car after adding a new key

It reads the pin code then just programs the new key at the press of a button

kdavie86

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actionman

Hi mate

no the Renault key cards don't need to be precoded. They just have to be brand new or if a used card is purchased the transponder will have to be replaced with a virgin transponder which means splitting the case open & also having to replace that.

3D Group have their own branded Megane cards now. They're Ł60 inc vat i think. Used a fair few & they seem good enough

Craig

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actionman

Yes they'll post to Scotland. Get an account set up online with them. They're on the ball with posting items. There's several postage options so choose what's best for you.

Depending on how much my order is i use 1st class recorded which if you order early enough they'll have it with you next day

I ordered the Vx canbus pin code reader the other day. Should hopefully be here in the next couple of days

Also you're welcome mate!

actionman

Just to add the "Truecode" packed up a bit ago & looks like it wasn't even truecode as i've been contacted by somebody from company that developed TC.

Probably same as IDS so glad got rid of that as well to buy Focom

kdavie86

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actionman

Yeh, VX Canbus is going ok, tested it on my sisters Astra H & several other Canbus VX's my mates have & it worked every time.

I pretty much use my MVP Pro for everything now. It's very simple top use & there's the bonus of having tech support at the other end of a phone if needed.

actionman

done my 1st mk7 transit key with my MVP tonight, talk about quick. You don't need to get incode from patscode.com as the MVP does everything itself.

Took less than a minute to erase all keys then program his original & a new key. Certainly a lot quicker than using Focom or IDS.

It does use a token when erasing & programming pats keys. If you buy tokens in a big enough bundle the cost it works out for individual token is about same as what patscode.com tokens cost