Another failed gated sump causing engine meltdown
07-08-2012 | 04:54 PM
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it seems as if you are dragging your feet too
07-08-2012 | 04:55 PM
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Thank you for writing a detailed explanation of what can and cant happen when the fpr vacuum hose can be left of..
Steve posted on here personally and said he realised the hose hadnt been put back on when he arrived home!!
This was a fair journey and imo 100% to be the blame for his engine damage..
I havnt got the lap top infront of me to go over the ignition table again but i can tell you the values are lower than the ones youve just given and the boost versus rpm are true that i have given..
cheers danny
Steve posted on here personally and said he realised the hose hadnt been put back on when he arrived home!!
This was a fair journey and imo 100% to be the blame for his engine damage..
I havnt got the lap top infront of me to go over the ignition table again but i can tell you the values are lower than the ones youve just given and the boost versus rpm are true that i have given..
cheers danny
07-08-2012 | 04:59 PM
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All questions have been answered more than once and i even asked if id missed any??no one has replied so i think ive answered everything..
Luke is emailing karl a copy of chip later and all the logged dyno runs for boost afr etc..
Dont forget the funnt thing is here is that tony has the chip there in front of him and also the engine in bits and steve has the dyno graphs but funnily enough they havnt shown any of this to any one!!!
We are begging for people to look as we know were right,now if theyre so sure its the map like tony says and steve believe then come on and get the veidence out in the open!!!fucking simple!!!
cheers danny
07-08-2012 | 04:59 PM
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Danny and luke should post up their ignition map
and mike if I came across and engine of this spec that couldn't make decent boost at 4500 rpm I would be checking the rpm scaling of the rollers the data log and then the engine to rectify the issue
The sudden loss of 2 bar of fuel pressure will just cause the engine to cut and will cause no real damage for that short term
continued use on boost as you did is well to be polite foolish
you have now given danny some ignition figures to check against lukes map did Harvey give you them
you now need to give him the next rpm break point timing values
and mike if I came across and engine of this spec that couldn't make decent boost at 4500 rpm I would be checking the rpm scaling of the rollers the data log and then the engine to rectify the issue
The sudden loss of 2 bar of fuel pressure will just cause the engine to cut and will cause no real damage for that short term
continued use on boost as you did is well to be polite foolish
you have now given danny some ignition figures to check against lukes map did Harvey give you them
you now need to give him the next rpm break point timing values
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07-08-2012 | 05:04 PM
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Ps..
Id like to thank mike for his kind words towards me and especially to luke also as i think a lot of people totally diregard things like that and just think it would never happen to them!!
Also theres been times when i could personally kill luke for certain things but he is a true friend and with out him a lot of things we do and have achieved wouldnt of happened if he wasnt my friend!!!so yes when the shit hits the fan i will stand by him no matter what!!!
cheers danny
Id like to thank mike for his kind words towards me and especially to luke also as i think a lot of people totally diregard things like that and just think it would never happen to them!!
Also theres been times when i could personally kill luke for certain things but he is a true friend and with out him a lot of things we do and have achieved wouldnt of happened if he wasnt my friend!!!so yes when the shit hits the fan i will stand by him no matter what!!!
cheers danny
07-08-2012 | 05:05 PM
#527
As much as it pains me to do so (as he's a shit stirring cock 
), I'm with Phil on this one. IF the vacuum hose popped off the fuel regulator on the car as is being stated, and was driven any distance like this allowing the engine to come on boost, then I would be more inclined to blame this for the engine damage than the map. As Karl has correctly stated, you can't point a finger at the map JUST by reading the files.
However, just to confirm, Tony is saying that Luke's map has 14° of ignition at 2.87 bar (absolute) at 4500rpm? Given that to achieve this ignition value, the engine has to see this boost pressure (1.87 bar net) at this rpm point, where by all accounts on the rolling road, the car can't physically make 1.87 bar at 4500rpm, I can't personally see how it could be blamed for wrecking the engine? Obviously as Chip has said, it would be better to have a conservative value in there, but if the engine can't physically make this boost at this rpm, it is unlikely to be the cause of the failure (the only way to check this would be to rebuild the engine as it was, and datalog the boost pressures on a fully loaded run to see what load sites it was hitting).
Accordingly, IF it was physically impossible for the engine to achieve 1.87 bar at 4500rpm, I would not be worried by that ignition value in any way, shape or form.
To really build up a more accurate picture, you would want to see ALL the ignition values at each rpm point / boost point. As an example, a typical 83lb chip runs the following ignition values at 4490rpm:
25.25° at 0.24 bar
25.25° at 0.69 bar
21.50° at 0.96 bar
16.75 at 1.32 bar
10.75° at 1.82 bar
8.5° at 2.1 bar
However, Tony hasn't yet put what the full list is for Luke's chip, so we can't see what ignition value to would be running at 0.65 bar at 4500rpm, which is what it makes fully loaded on the DD RR at this rpm.
I have personally suffered a vacuum hose coming off my regulator and what happens is that it no longer becomes rising rate - instead the fuel pressure remains static no matter how much boost the engine sees (I don't need to tell anyone how bad this is for an engine?). If you're lucky and you spot it without coming on boost, then you won't see any damage. If you give it some welly a couple of times, then the engine might survive, but suffer some damage and then when the hose is put back on, unless you check with a borescope, you have no idea if the engine suffered any det sufficient to cause any damage or not.
Eventually the engine can let go several months down the line due to cumulative wear and tear initiated by the hose coming off (you can normally tell the age of the det by looking at the pistons, fresh det compared to old det "should" be pretty obvious). If you're REALLY unlucky like I was, you'll give it three quick blats up to three figure speeds and the engine will lunch itself leaving you stranded in Scotland (and that's with a baby T34
). From then on I soon learned to lockwire the vacuum pipe in place .
In the meantime, I too would like to wish Luke all the best, as I cannot even begin to imagine how I could have coped having been through what he has. I also have a new found respect for Danny for sticking by his friend through thick and thin. I only hope the people I think of as good friends would stand by me in the same way if I was ever to be in a similar situation
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), I'm with Phil on this one. IF the vacuum hose popped off the fuel regulator on the car as is being stated, and was driven any distance like this allowing the engine to come on boost, then I would be more inclined to blame this for the engine damage than the map. As Karl has correctly stated, you can't point a finger at the map JUST by reading the files. However, just to confirm, Tony is saying that Luke's map has 14° of ignition at 2.87 bar (absolute) at 4500rpm? Given that to achieve this ignition value, the engine has to see this boost pressure (1.87 bar net) at this rpm point, where by all accounts on the rolling road, the car can't physically make 1.87 bar at 4500rpm, I can't personally see how it could be blamed for wrecking the engine? Obviously as Chip has said, it would be better to have a conservative value in there, but if the engine can't physically make this boost at this rpm, it is unlikely to be the cause of the failure (the only way to check this would be to rebuild the engine as it was, and datalog the boost pressures on a fully loaded run to see what load sites it was hitting).
Accordingly, IF it was physically impossible for the engine to achieve 1.87 bar at 4500rpm, I would not be worried by that ignition value in any way, shape or form.
To really build up a more accurate picture, you would want to see ALL the ignition values at each rpm point / boost point. As an example, a typical 83lb chip runs the following ignition values at 4490rpm:
25.25° at 0.24 bar
25.25° at 0.69 bar
21.50° at 0.96 bar
16.75 at 1.32 bar
10.75° at 1.82 bar
8.5° at 2.1 bar
However, Tony hasn't yet put what the full list is for Luke's chip, so we can't see what ignition value to would be running at 0.65 bar at 4500rpm, which is what it makes fully loaded on the DD RR at this rpm.
I have personally suffered a vacuum hose coming off my regulator and what happens is that it no longer becomes rising rate - instead the fuel pressure remains static no matter how much boost the engine sees (I don't need to tell anyone how bad this is for an engine?). If you're lucky and you spot it without coming on boost, then you won't see any damage. If you give it some welly a couple of times, then the engine might survive, but suffer some damage and then when the hose is put back on, unless you check with a borescope, you have no idea if the engine suffered any det sufficient to cause any damage or not.
Eventually the engine can let go several months down the line due to cumulative wear and tear initiated by the hose coming off (you can normally tell the age of the det by looking at the pistons, fresh det compared to old det "should" be pretty obvious). If you're REALLY unlucky like I was, you'll give it three quick blats up to three figure speeds and the engine will lunch itself leaving you stranded in Scotland (and that's with a baby T34
). From then on I soon learned to lockwire the vacuum pipe in place .In the meantime, I too would like to wish Luke all the best, as I cannot even begin to imagine how I could have coped having been through what he has. I also have a new found respect for Danny for sticking by his friend through thick and thin. I only hope the people I think of as good friends would stand by me in the same way if I was ever to be in a similar situation
.if the fpr reg comes off at high rpm and high boost it fuel cut the engine rather than just leave it lean enough to run like a slight air leak would
07-08-2012 | 05:05 PM
#528
Thank you for writing a detailed explanation of what can and cant happen when the fpr vacuum hose can be left of..
Steve posted on here personally and said he realised the hose hadnt been put back on when he arrived home!!
This was a fair journey and imo 100% to be the blame for his engine damage..
I havnt got the lap top infront of me to go over the ignition table again but i can tell you the values are lower than the ones youve just given and the boost versus rpm are true that i have given..
cheers danny
Steve posted on here personally and said he realised the hose hadnt been put back on when he arrived home!!
This was a fair journey and imo 100% to be the blame for his engine damage..
I havnt got the lap top infront of me to go over the ignition table again but i can tell you the values are lower than the ones youve just given and the boost versus rpm are true that i have given..
cheers danny
)....Boost + no rising rate FPR = det damaged engine - no if's, buts or maybes - sorry, but that is unequivocal FACT.
07-08-2012 | 05:09 PM
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Danny and luke should post up their ignition map
and mike if I came across and engine of this spec that couldn't make decent boost at 4500 rpm I would be checking the rpm scaling of the rollers the data log and then the engine to rectify the issue
The sudden loss of 2 bar of fuel pressure will just cause the engine to cut and will cause no real damage for that short term
continued use on boost as you did is well to be polite foolish
you have now given danny some ignition figures to check against lukes map did Harvey give you them you now need to give him the next rpm break point timing values
and mike if I came across and engine of this spec that couldn't make decent boost at 4500 rpm I would be checking the rpm scaling of the rollers the data log and then the engine to rectify the issue
The sudden loss of 2 bar of fuel pressure will just cause the engine to cut and will cause no real damage for that short term
continued use on boost as you did is well to be polite foolish
you have now given danny some ignition figures to check against lukes map did Harvey give you them
you now need to give him the next rpm break point timing valuesSo how many t4 powered cars with std top end bar a bd14 inlet cam have you seen make 2 bar at 4.5k with 7.4 cr??
Why you still waffling about figures??
You have the same map there so post it all ffs!!!
The fpr vacuum hose was left off and he drove home!!! how would that cut the car altogether???
Why is it any different to what mike did??
Why was mike silly??he didnt know just like steve didnt untill he see it off??
WAFFLE WAFFLE!!!
cheers danny
07-08-2012 | 05:12 PM
#530
I had driven the car to the limiter on NUMEROUS occasions without fault, and it was in my early days of Cosworth ownership, so as you know, Cossies run really good for a short time when they are lean
. I'd obviously recognise the symptoms now I have more knowledge (like I did when one of my fuel pumps packed in on my 500bhp Sapphire engine, I picked up on it instantly and had it rectified before any damage what-so-ever occurred - but it takes experience to recognise this).I only discovered the FPR vacuum pipe had come off the car when it was too late - the damage had been done
.
07-08-2012 | 05:18 PM
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Jay,
I had driven the car to the limiter on NUMEROUS occasions without fault, and it was in my early days of Cosworth ownership, so as you know, Cossies run really good for a short time when they are lean. I'd obviously recognise the symptoms now I have more knowledge (like I did when one of my fuel pumps packed in on my 500bhp Sapphire engine, I picked up on it instantly and had it rectified before any damage what-so-ever occurred - but it takes experience to recognise this).
I only discovered the FPR vacuum pipe had come off the car when it was too late - the damage had been done.
I had driven the car to the limiter on NUMEROUS occasions without fault, and it was in my early days of Cosworth ownership, so as you know, Cossies run really good for a short time when they are lean
. I'd obviously recognise the symptoms now I have more knowledge (like I did when one of my fuel pumps packed in on my 500bhp Sapphire engine, I picked up on it instantly and had it rectified before any damage what-so-ever occurred - but it takes experience to recognise this).I only discovered the FPR vacuum pipe had come off the car when it was too late - the damage had been done
.now if he carried on driving it or trying to then i agree but not the case
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07-08-2012 | 05:18 PM
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Danny and luke should post up their ignition map
and mike if I came across and engine of this spec that couldn't make decent boost at 4500 rpm I would be checking the rpm scaling of the rollers the data log and then the engine to rectify the issue
The sudden loss of 2 bar of fuel pressure will just cause the engine to cut and will cause no real damage for that short term
continued use on boost as you did is well to be polite foolish
you have now given danny some ignition figures to check against lukes map did Harvey give you them you now need to give him the next rpm break point timing values
and mike if I came across and engine of this spec that couldn't make decent boost at 4500 rpm I would be checking the rpm scaling of the rollers the data log and then the engine to rectify the issue
The sudden loss of 2 bar of fuel pressure will just cause the engine to cut and will cause no real damage for that short term
continued use on boost as you did is well to be polite foolish
you have now given danny some ignition figures to check against lukes map did Harvey give you them
you now need to give him the next rpm break point timing values
.However, I'm with Karl on the diagnosis, you can't just look at a map and say it is at fault without datalogging what break points are achievable on the road in the car. Or are you disagreeing with Karl on that one
?
07-08-2012 | 05:23 PM
#533
.On mine, I had been cruising at a steady speed for several hours and gave it a quick blat to overtake a car and the FPR blew off (I didn't notice) and then I was "encouraged" by the Scots to drive a bit quick, so several high speed blats saw it melt
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07-08-2012 | 05:35 PM
#534
it would be like a oem fuel cut the demanded pressure at that level i agree if the car had be carried on driven it would det at a low throttle ect ! lets face there could be more contributing factors to this not even the map
why cant a screen shot of the map be put up here rather than been posted round the world ?
danny seem very positive right i dont think for one minute he believes its a bad map at all
and i to feel sorry for luke but it bares no resemblence to this engine discussion
i to would like to see everybody happy but until people involved actually post up the details , karl ,tony and stu both say it could be wrong ! tony has posted address point ect stu has posted what lines should be so lets just see the overlays and igntion tables along with e rr graph with afr
why cant a screen shot of the map be put up here rather than been posted round the world ?
danny seem very positive right i dont think for one minute he believes its a bad map at all
and i to feel sorry for luke but it bares no resemblence to this engine discussion
i to would like to see everybody happy but until people involved actually post up the details , karl ,tony and stu both say it could be wrong ! tony has posted address point ect stu has posted what lines should be so lets just see the overlays and igntion tables along with e rr graph with afr
07-08-2012 | 05:35 PM
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i'm pretty sure a set of pistons that have suffered det over a small part of the rev range for a while will look significantly different to those that have suffered a lean mixture from insufficient fuel pressure.
i would expect the first set to have a lot of tiny indentations in them and the stress of these being created will have transferred through the rods to the crank and bearings, and the second set would probably have gone soft with the heat and changed their appearance to perhaps look a bit 'aerated'
let's see the photos of these pistons then tony.
i would expect the first set to have a lot of tiny indentations in them and the stress of these being created will have transferred through the rods to the crank and bearings, and the second set would probably have gone soft with the heat and changed their appearance to perhaps look a bit 'aerated'
let's see the photos of these pistons then tony.
07-08-2012 | 05:35 PM
#536
The pipe was on when I left Powers but had no clip fitted, I drove 90% of the way home pissed of with the results so drove home like miss fucking daisy, I got to the start of my road turned the corner planted the throttle and instantly realised that something was a wron, pulled over straight away and popped the sucker back on, for this reason only and the advise that Tony and Jay gave at the time was the reason that I never pursued the matter with Powers at the time, personally and hand on heart with no malice to Luke or Danny I do believe the damage was done before hand, like I have said I have moved on, Tony is building me a new bigger spec engine so we wont be able to do a like for like comparison as I want more POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR lol.
Danny the graph is on here somewhere as the tall one did a thread on here if you remember, I will sit back and let the "experts" sort it as I have been told I know sod all about engines and there suck squeeze bang blow pmsl
Lots of love
Moanstone
Danny the graph is on here somewhere as the tall one did a thread on here if you remember, I will sit back and let the "experts" sort it as I have been told I know sod all about engines and there suck squeeze bang blow pmsl
Lots of love
Moanstone
07-08-2012 | 05:38 PM
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Day 1 in the "Moonstone Steves engine blew up" Diary Room
Tony: "I'm going to post the full ignition map off the engine"
Danny: "I'm going to post the full ignition map off the engine"
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Day 3 in the "Moonstone Steves engine blew up" Diary Room
Tony: "I'm going to post the full ignition map off the engine"
Danny: "I'm going to pay for Steve's pistons if the maps wrong"
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Day 6 in the "Moonstone Steves engine blew up" Diary Room
Tony: "I'm going to post the full ignition map off the engine"
Danny: "I'm going to send the full map to Karl"
I think we're just going round one of these
Thinking about it, probably best you don't join in Mike
Tony: "I'm going to post the full ignition map off the engine"
Danny: "I'm going to post the full ignition map off the engine"
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Day 3 in the "Moonstone Steves engine blew up" Diary Room
Tony: "I'm going to post the full ignition map off the engine"
Danny: "I'm going to pay for Steve's pistons if the maps wrong"
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Day 6 in the "Moonstone Steves engine blew up" Diary Room
Tony: "I'm going to post the full ignition map off the engine"
Danny: "I'm going to send the full map to Karl"
I think we're just going round one of these
Thinking about it, probably best you don't join in Mike
07-08-2012 | 06:00 PM
#539
imo 2 bar down on fuel pressure will not cause det and lean running, it will cut and not fire.
i have first hand experience of fpr adjustments and afr change from just 4 weeks ago on my supra, i was only doing the tiniest change of fuel pressure 0.1 bar but saw a considerable change in afr, a 2 bar drop in fuel pressure would drop the afr so low it would be off the scale of my gauge and not fire and you would know about it.
i have first hand experience of fpr adjustments and afr change from just 4 weeks ago on my supra, i was only doing the tiniest change of fuel pressure 0.1 bar but saw a considerable change in afr, a 2 bar drop in fuel pressure would drop the afr so low it would be off the scale of my gauge and not fire and you would know about it.
07-08-2012 | 06:02 PM
#540
5000 rpm ignition values please mike for the engine spec in question
infact post up the lot to 8k
considering danny is unable or unwilling to post his I will post them against the break points you post mike
infact post up the lot to 8k
considering danny is unable or unwilling to post his I will post them against the break points you post mike
07-08-2012 | 06:02 PM
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imo 2 bar down on fuel pressure will not cause det and lean running, it will cut and not fire.
i have first hand experience of fpr adjustments and afr change from just 4 weeks ago on my supra, i was only doing the tiniest change of fuel pressure 0.1 bar but saw a considerable change in afr, a 2 bar drop in fuel pressure would drop the afr so low it would be off the scale of my gauge and not fire and you would know about it.
i have first hand experience of fpr adjustments and afr change from just 4 weeks ago on my supra, i was only doing the tiniest change of fuel pressure 0.1 bar but saw a considerable change in afr, a 2 bar drop in fuel pressure would drop the afr so low it would be off the scale of my gauge and not fire and you would know about it.
Exactly!! he was driving along and gave it a bootfull..enough to stop and pull over as he noticed something went wrong!!!
It did !! he caused damage!!
cheers danny
07-08-2012 | 06:11 PM
#543
the primary and most common cause of det is ignition timing
how many cases of mapping have you heard of where they cure the det by richening and how many where you here they have retarded the ignition
the typical industry standard for this is to subtract 4 degrees from each load cell once the det point has been reached
how many cases of mapping have you heard of where they cure the det by richening and how many where you here they have retarded the ignition
the typical industry standard for this is to subtract 4 degrees from each load cell once the det point has been reached
07-08-2012 | 06:14 PM
#544
The pipe was on when I left Powers but had no clip fitted, I drove 90% of the way home pissed of with the results so drove home like miss fucking daisy, I got to the start of my road turned the corner planted the throttle and instantly realised that something was a wron, pulled over straight away and popped the sucker back on, for this reason only and the advise that Tony and Jay gave at the time was the reason that I never pursued the matter with Powers at the time, personally and hand on heart with no malice to Luke or Danny I do believe the damage was done before hand, like I have said I have moved on, Tony is building me a new bigger spec engine so we wont be able to do a like for like comparison as I want more POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR lol.
Danny the graph is on here somewhere as the tall one did a thread on here if you remember, I will sit back and let the "experts" sort it as I have been told I know sod all about engines and there suck squeeze bang blow pmsl
Lots of love
Moanstone
Danny the graph is on here somewhere as the tall one did a thread on here if you remember, I will sit back and let the "experts" sort it as I have been told I know sod all about engines and there suck squeeze bang blow pmsl
Lots of love
Moanstone
he didn't drive 100 miles with the pipe off
it was probably more like 100 feet
07-08-2012 | 06:18 PM
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Ive read it!! the pipe was off from the rr so for the whole journey!!
i dont believe the car didnt see any boost for the whole journey home and even full boost for a very short time will cause damage!!
Wheres the pics of pistons dyno graph and ignition map????????
Also if steve was convinced the damage was there before dyno day surely there wa oil loss ,smoke and loss of power??
Any evidence of any of this on dyno in front of anyone??
cheers danny
07-08-2012 | 06:20 PM
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Ive read it!! the pipe was off from the rr so for the whole journey!!
i dont believe the car didnt see any boost for the whole journey home and even full boost for a very short time will cause damage!!
Wheres the pics of pistons dyno graph and ignition map????????
Also if steve was convinced the damage was there before dyno day surely there wa oil loss ,smoke and loss of power??
Any evidence of any of this on dyno in front of anyone??
cheers danny
i dont believe the car didnt see any boost for the whole journey home and even full boost for a very short time will cause damage!!
Wheres the pics of pistons dyno graph and ignition map????????
Also if steve was convinced the damage was there before dyno day surely there wa oil loss ,smoke and loss of power??
Any evidence of any of this on dyno in front of anyone??
cheers danny
07-08-2012 | 06:28 PM
#548
the primary and most common cause of det is ignition timing
how many cases of mapping have you heard of where they cure the det by richening and how many where you here they have retarded the ignition
the typical industry standard for this is to subtract 4 degrees from each load cell once the det point has been reached
how many cases of mapping have you heard of where they cure the det by richening and how many where you here they have retarded the ignition
the typical industry standard for this is to subtract 4 degrees from each load cell once the det point has been reached
And richening can reduce/stop det if the timing isn't way out there. But i don't see how that's relevant?
07-08-2012 | 06:43 PM
#551
Ive read it!! the pipe was off from the rr so for the whole journey!!
i dont believe the car didnt see any boost for the whole journey home and even full boost for a very short time will cause damage!!
Wheres the pics of pistons dyno graph and ignition map????????
Also if steve was convinced the damage was there before dyno day surely there wa oil loss ,smoke and loss of power??
Any evidence of any of this on dyno in front of anyone??
cheers danny
i dont believe the car didnt see any boost for the whole journey home and even full boost for a very short time will cause damage!!
Wheres the pics of pistons dyno graph and ignition map????????
Also if steve was convinced the damage was there before dyno day surely there wa oil loss ,smoke and loss of power??
Any evidence of any of this on dyno in front of anyone??
cheers danny
before the powers dyno day the car used more oil, smoked more and was proven to have 50bhp less than when it was mapped by Luke, I make that a full house of your question answered, and there are many witnesses to the fact that whilst driven hard the fucker did smoke a lot and I have said graph of it being down on the guaranteed 491 bhp you and Luke bigged up.
Still no tables shown.
Steve
07-08-2012 | 06:49 PM
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Now uncle Tony might be a moody old fart and that but he's not exactly clueless when it comes to Cosworths and divorce settlements.
I don't think anyone on here would disagree on that other than IMA who should be forgiven for this as he's got...well let's just say... 'issues'.
As for Luke and 'Enhanced performance' or rather 'Epic Problems' from what I've read on here...well...best known for being the subject of debate I guess.
Now I don't know what the crack is with this particular case but on the whole I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a map from Tony than from Luke.
Tony has always been extremely honest with me, to the point where he's plain insulting, and from what I can tell and have experienced his knowledge on Cosworths is second to none.
So I do not doubt his opinion in this matter BUT in defence of Luke I will say that I think it's hard to pinpoint the exact cause of the failure simply because there are severeal possible causes.
If anything you could only name the most likely cause.
I don't think anyone on here would disagree on that other than IMA who should be forgiven for this as he's got...well let's just say... 'issues'.
As for Luke and 'Enhanced performance' or rather 'Epic Problems' from what I've read on here...well...best known for being the subject of debate I guess.
Now I don't know what the crack is with this particular case but on the whole I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a map from Tony than from Luke.
Tony has always been extremely honest with me, to the point where he's plain insulting, and from what I can tell and have experienced his knowledge on Cosworths is second to none.
So I do not doubt his opinion in this matter BUT in defence of Luke I will say that I think it's hard to pinpoint the exact cause of the failure simply because there are severeal possible causes.
If anything you could only name the most likely cause.
07-08-2012 | 06:56 PM
#558
Now uncle Tony might be a moody old fart and that but he's not exactly clueless when it comes to Cosworths and divorce settlements.
I don't think anyone on here would disagree on that other than IMA who should be forgiven for this as he's got...well let's just say... 'issues'.
As for Luke and 'Enhanced performance' or rather 'Epic Problems' from what I've read on here...well...best known for being the subject of debate I guess.
Now I don't know what the crack is with this particular case but on the whole I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a map from Tony than from Luke.
Tony has always been extremely honest with me, to the point where he's plain insulting, and from what I can tell and have experienced his knowledge on Cosworths is second to none.
So I do not doubt his opinion in this matter BUT in defence of Luke I will say that I think it's hard to pinpoint the exact cause of the failure simply because there are severeal possible causes.
If anything you could only name the most likely cause.
I don't think anyone on here would disagree on that other than IMA who should be forgiven for this as he's got...well let's just say... 'issues'.
As for Luke and 'Enhanced performance' or rather 'Epic Problems' from what I've read on here...well...best known for being the subject of debate I guess.
Now I don't know what the crack is with this particular case but on the whole I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a map from Tony than from Luke.
Tony has always been extremely honest with me, to the point where he's plain insulting, and from what I can tell and have experienced his knowledge on Cosworths is second to none.
So I do not doubt his opinion in this matter BUT in defence of Luke I will say that I think it's hard to pinpoint the exact cause of the failure simply because there are severeal possible causes.
If anything you could only name the most likely cause.
Also can I add whilst everyone is trying to tell Tony his onions, he has nothing to gain from telling anything but what he can see and what he knows and also from what has been admitted is that Lukes head wasnt in his work for a very long time.
Still no tables posted
Steve
07-08-2012 | 06:59 PM
#560
many many posts ago I posted the address points and values of the relevant ignition points
I even converted this date into real ignition values and rpm points for you all
all that has happened since is excuses and goal post moving
The main issue here seems to be the forever changing boost at 4500rpm
we now seem to have pressure value from danny that are so low it would cause me to open the bonnet to check this car actually had a turbo fitted
I even converted this date into real ignition values and rpm points for you all
all that has happened since is excuses and goal post moving
The main issue here seems to be the forever changing boost at 4500rpm
we now seem to have pressure value from danny that are so low it would cause me to open the bonnet to check this car actually had a turbo fitted