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Old 30-07-2012, 08:05 PM
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Default Another failed gated sump causing engine meltdown

can you spot the problem and get extra bonus points for telling me where it came from ???

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fooked oil pump.
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correct but where did the object come from for an extra point ???
Old 30-07-2012, 08:27 PM
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A missing part of crank?
Old 30-07-2012, 08:33 PM
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Baffled Gate
Old 30-07-2012, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by rsnissan
Baffled Gate
very good top marks for that man !!!!!
Old 30-07-2012, 08:40 PM
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I thank you
Old 30-07-2012, 08:43 PM
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i hope you have not had first hand experience of this issue lol
Old 30-07-2012, 08:43 PM
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Yours broke as well then

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Old 30-07-2012, 08:46 PM
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Oh yes it's quite poorly lol crank 2 rods oil pump strainer sump baffles and fooked turbo !!!
Old 30-07-2012, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by flannigan
Oh yes it's quite poorly lol crank 2 rods oil pump strainer sump baffles and fooked turbo !!!
Ouch

When did it happen ?

Road or track ?

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Old 30-07-2012, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by flannigan
Oh yes it's quite poorly lol crank 2 rods oil pump strainer sump baffles and fooked turbo !!!
Sounds expensive.
Old 30-07-2012, 08:52 PM
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On the motorway Sunday only went out to get some doughnuts fookin expensive them you know lol
Old 30-07-2012, 08:52 PM
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im sorry for your loss

i lost a WRC spec crank, 2 rods, BD?? inlet cam and T61 turbo to exactly the same issue,i didnt belive it if im honest but seems to be true the more i see this same thing!

there were some lovely shades of purple and a visably bananna`d crank
Old 30-07-2012, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by flannigan
On the motorway Sunday only went out to get some doughnuts fookin expensive them you know lol
But did it die in style ?

Mine did lol

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Old 30-07-2012, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve the Plumber
Sounds expensive.
Had a bit of a result as I got a mint std crank 2 rods and a oil pump out of a 50k engine for Ł320 delivered eBay bargain of the century !!!
Old 30-07-2012, 08:56 PM
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mine didnt,

rather an un-impressive slowing and extra stress, oddly, no oil warning light untill about 5 seconds after it cut out
Old 30-07-2012, 08:57 PM
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So, whose gated sump was it?

How come the strainer didn't stop it or did it fail, get hit by the crank and get smashed?

Thats a horrible picture, I don't envy you one bit mate
Old 30-07-2012, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by flannigan
Had a bit of a result as I got a mint std crank 2 rods and a oil pump out of a 50k engine for Ł320 delivered eBay bargain of the century !!!
Thats awesome but not when it was not needed. Add the bearings and gaskets etc and the PITA of taking it out - fookin dougnuts
Old 30-07-2012, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Cosnada
So, whose gated sump was it?

How come the strainer didn't stop it or did it fail, get hit by the crank and get smashed?

Thats a horrible picture, I don't envy you one bit mate
Please do tell, was thinking about investing in one of these aswell!!
Old 30-07-2012, 09:09 PM
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Not another failure.

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Originally Posted by flannigan
i hope you have not had first hand experience of this issue lol
Nahh, I was always paranoid about this and just left my sump winged!

I feel your pain though
Old 30-07-2012, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Cosnada
So, whose gated sump was it?

How come the strainer didn't stop it or did it fail, get hit by the crank and get smashed?

Thats a horrible picture, I don't envy you one bit mate
I am waiting for tony at turbo systems to call me as I have sent him detailed photos of said sump and he will be either modding my one or supplying a complete new one as I don't want this happening again it managed to peirce a hole in the strainer and get in that way fook knows how 3 out of 4 gates had broken away and were loose in the bottom of the sump !!!!!
Old 30-07-2012, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by cossie4i+
But did it die in style ?

Mine did lol

Steve
Not really mate just heard a rattle and pushed in clutch and it locked up solid
Old 30-07-2012, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by peteh
Please do tell, was thinking about investing in one of these aswell!!
It came from a quality supplier ok'd by some of the top tuners My advice is buy one from turbosystems mate fook the cost as it will protect a Ł10k + engine !!!!!! My new sump will be done by tony regardless of cost as its way cheaper than the consequences of engine failure
Old 30-07-2012, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by flannigan
It came from a quality supplier ok'd by some of the top tuners My advice is buy one from turbosystems mate fook the cost as it will protect a Ł10k + engine !!!!!! My new sump will be done by tony regardless of cost as its way cheaper than the consequences of engine failure
More pics will do then
Old 30-07-2012, 09:29 PM
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so am i right in saying a gate has come off and blocked the strainer equals no oil hence fooked engine?

Not good anyway u look at it
Old 30-07-2012, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Cosnada
More pics will do then
As soon as I have Tony's input as to a reason behind the failure I will post all photos including a very bent crankshaft !!! But as far as I'm aware the sump I have is no longer avalible so that's good news lol
Old 30-07-2012, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by costina
so am i right in saying a gate has come off and blocked the strainer equals no oil hence fooked engine?

Not good anyway u look at it
Almost part of the pin that is welded to the gate that broke made its way through the oil strainer and got jammed in the pump in turn the oil pump drive snapped and lost all oil pressure
Old 31-07-2012, 03:43 AM
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mmmm not good.

are accusumps any more reliable???
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Would be a good idea to alert people of the make so that they can check theirs before it's too late?
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Would be a good idea to alert people of the make so that they can check theirs before it's too late?
https://passionford.com/forum/genera...ing-sumps.html

found an old ad for them by marco polo in his defence they work perfectly but fatigue causes this !!!










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Here's the photo's of Dougs G19 Failed Sump Baffle tha destoryed my engine:









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Old 31-07-2012, 10:28 AM
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Bloody hell

Just goes to show this is the trouble when people who think they know what they're doing, decide to produce products
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I'd be going back to the supplier of the gate with the engine in bits and say best put the kettle son

If that's caused engine to fail then I'd want it payed for simple
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sorry to hear.

not good,just goes to show that no matter how good they LOOK or how much it costs, it does not mean they are reliable.
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Originally Posted by JamesH
Bloody hell

Just goes to show this is the trouble when people who think they know what they're doing, decide to produce products
A bit like those top mounts Mike R was producing and those zoo rear beams.......people really dont realise it takes more than an idea to produce something proven and SAFE, i guess they use the "in theory" method.
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Originally Posted by v man
I'd be going back to the supplier of the gate with the engine in bits and say best put the kettle son

If that's caused engine to fail then I'd want it payed for simple
Believe me i've tried mate, the guy is an idiot!
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Originally Posted by dave cos4x4
sorry to hear.

not good,just goes to show that no matter how good they LOOK or how much it costs, it does not mean they are reliable.

I cant comment on flannigans although its clear to see its failed where its most important..

With riches (sonic boom)i can say that the welds are shit and its a very poorly made bit of kit as i did see this first hand..

There is no need to re invent the wheel when it comes to these gated baffles as like iv said before the ones iv used for many years are fine and never seen or heard of any trouble..

They are also not dear to buy.. also to flannigan..id say theres nothing wrong with your actual sump mate just been very unlucky with the gates on the baffle..



cheers danny
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Danny,

they are not reinventing the wheel, just jumping on the band wagon to make them at a cheaper alternative.


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