Another failed gated sump causing engine meltdown
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See your point totally but it's Origen can be proved as I have the original chip with sticker on ... Just throwing something in the mix ! Nothing to prove and nowt to hide just a tech debate
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Understand what you are saying but its a forum and this is a tech debate ... Piston pics needed and just to remember its only 3. 5 to 4 deg over the calculation therefore chance is where I mapped it and hit top line to find mbt then worked back was correct . . What everyone is missing is eaven tho my charge for mapping was low I still spent 4 hours on said car ... No one is bum licking anyone ! Stu I have had contact with many times and also share the same feelings about exs lol Stu is clever and in my book there is him and mark shead
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Sorry hit wrong button . There is him and mark shead that really produce amazing results .. Karl has done the same I have seen his work first hand .. But all aside you will never no unless you try . I have had some good results and bad ones .. Fact is to tOny is post pics lets have it's debate fairly !
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So it's all your fault then??
There is many ways it could of detted but if it was alittle bit at a time from spark then it will look like loads of little bits of piston missing around the rings like something eating it away on the exhaust side..
If it was a fueling failure it will look more like a melted scrape where the piston is grabbing the bore due to to much heat build up..
Im sure others can give a better description but thats a couple to hand..
cheers danny
If it was a fueling failure it will look more like a melted scrape where the piston is grabbing the bore due to to much heat build up..
Im sure others can give a better description but thats a couple to hand..
cheers danny
no you missed my point mate IF rainbirds tables are exact then your igntion show a average +4 of average at those points so if the car was rich enough then maybe it could of been safer Dan After all it is a common conception that the car will be richer on a dyno than on a road
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no you missed my point mate IF rainbirds tables are exact then your igntion show a average +4 of average at those points so if the car was rich enough then maybe it could of been safer Dan After all it is a common conception that the car will be richer on a dyno than on a road
as for the cars being richer on rollers to road that is not the case when mapping on a dd rr because the boost seen on last graph is the boost used when mapping so afr and boost would be the same on road..
If a car makes less boost on the dyno to the road then yes it will appear to be richer on the dyno but as said that isnt the case here plus with the fueling luke left the car with it would of had to of made a lot more boost on road to even worry..
Sorry hit wrong button . There is him and mark shead that really produce amazing results .. Karl has done the same I have seen his work first hand .. But all aside you will never no unless you try . I have had some good results and bad ones .. Fact is to tOny is post pics lets have it's debate fairly !
Yes all the best afrs seen on the dd rr where marks,stus live maps and karls live maps...
the only thing you could say about any of the live maps was that they were abit rich at the top where you would expect as mapping on the road right up there for any lengths is a bloody hard job..
The black escos i bought of this site had an nms engine and map and was awesome..the day i got it back we put it on rollers and it made 357 hp and 362 lb ft iirc..
The boost was 34 psi peak and 28 held and the afr went from .85 down to .74 at the end ,luke trimmed the fuelling a bit and got a bit more spark in there with the help of tractive effort on the dd rr and we got 390 hp and 405 lb ft out of it!!
This was over 2 years ago now and its still going strong now,even the t34 is holding up!!
cheers danny
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by butting in when you don't understand it just to try and get back at chip in some silly way, you belittle yourself you pathetic troll.
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it adds to the drama
seriously though I am very busy and when I am sat near the pistons I'm not sat near the camera and when I am sat near the camera I'm not sat near the pistons
I am waiting till the rope is long enough and the hole is deep enough
We just need to get danny to take in the fact that the fpr pipe didn't come off but moonstone is fed up of posting this for it to fall on deaf ears
and I have to agree with Ima here what sort of person would set up his old engine to run 500 bhp
Moonstone has seen the pistons as he took them out he asked me what this funny pitting was and why the ring was trapped I told him it was the dreaded piston cancer roflol
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Hang on a mo..... Steve, can you clarify something??
Did the vaccum pipe come off your Dump Valve, or your FPR? I was under the impression, from the thread back when it actually happened, that it came off the FPR. Now people are saying it came off the d/v?
Which was it mate?
Did the vaccum pipe come off your Dump Valve, or your FPR? I was under the impression, from the thread back when it actually happened, that it came off the FPR. Now people are saying it came off the d/v?
Which was it mate?
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Hang on a mo..... Steve, can you clarify something??
Did the vaccum pipe come off your Dump Valve, or your FPR? I was under the impression, from the thread back when it actually happened, that it came off the FPR. Now people are saying it came off the d/v?
Which was it mate?
Did the vaccum pipe come off your Dump Valve, or your FPR? I was under the impression, from the thread back when it actually happened, that it came off the FPR. Now people are saying it came off the d/v?
Which was it mate?
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Im now fed up with whole thing tbh..
Tony was being a child and ignoring me because he still had the hump from the day we made his million Ł live map better for cossie4i,i put out and olive branch for tony to just bury the hatchet and move on and asked to buy a supra diff conversion..
Tony tries coming on here to slate lukes map and make it look the worst map in the world and then since then has waffled about shit since with no other evidence and infact what evidence he has given has proven to fail on his part because no one can say it was the map that caused the damage...
If some one has a car with what ever spec and asks for it to be mapped to full potential its at their risk and no one elses so if steves engine was a shit second hand job that he knew nothing about then imo he is very silly to expect a safe 500 hp..
Luke nor anyone else can be held responsible for any type of failure as long as the mapping it self was good and the car left in working order which luke says it did...
Im not really interested in any other discussion now unless its some real evidence or factual on the matter....
cheers danny
Tony was being a child and ignoring me because he still had the hump from the day we made his million Ł live map better for cossie4i,i put out and olive branch for tony to just bury the hatchet and move on and asked to buy a supra diff conversion..
Tony tries coming on here to slate lukes map and make it look the worst map in the world and then since then has waffled about shit since with no other evidence and infact what evidence he has given has proven to fail on his part because no one can say it was the map that caused the damage...
If some one has a car with what ever spec and asks for it to be mapped to full potential its at their risk and no one elses so if steves engine was a shit second hand job that he knew nothing about then imo he is very silly to expect a safe 500 hp..
Luke nor anyone else can be held responsible for any type of failure as long as the mapping it self was good and the car left in working order which luke says it did...
Im not really interested in any other discussion now unless its some real evidence or factual on the matter....
cheers danny
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Tony was being a child and ignoring me because he still had the hump from the day we made his million Ł live map better for cossie4i,i put out and olive branch for tony to just bury the hatchet and move on and asked to buy a supra diff conversion..
Tony tries coming on here to slate lukes map
Tony tries coming on here to slate lukes map
(Link here) https://passionford.com/forum/5994279-post118.html
Tony had ignored your comments about him on many topics, I myself pulled you on them twice personally as it was getting daft, only this time, Tony finally retaliated.
We have personally had this discussion before Danny, tuner wars do nobody any favours, and if you don't like them I can only suggest you don't constantly incite them because on forums you tend to reap what you sow mate.
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If you are TOTALLY honest Danny, you started this battle with your comment about Steve not getting a good deal on his engine from Tony... back on post 118 of this topic.
(Link here) https://passionford.com/forum/5994279-post118.html
Tony had ignored your comments about him on many topics, I myself pulled you on them twice personally as it was getting daft, only this time, Tony finally retaliated.
We have personally had this discussion before Danny, tuner wars do nobody any favours, and if you don't like them I can only suggest you don't constantly incite them because on forums you tend to reap what you sow mate.
(Link here) https://passionford.com/forum/5994279-post118.html
Tony had ignored your comments about him on many topics, I myself pulled you on them twice personally as it was getting daft, only this time, Tony finally retaliated.
We have personally had this discussion before Danny, tuner wars do nobody any favours, and if you don't like them I can only suggest you don't constantly incite them because on forums you tend to reap what you sow mate.
Yes your right but because of what i said above..
If me and you speak which we have we bury the hatchet and move on but tony just couldnt do that so yes i gave a dig here and there so what??
I dont give a toss about his childish fucking ways and arguments with nothing to back it up..
Youve seen all the facts all the answers to this and still dont give your opinion and then when i com out with any thing you come and defend tony yet again!!!
Why dont you be straight and honest here and give your honest opinion on the whole thing now??
Std head, bd14 inlet, 7.43.1 cr,83lbers,all the ignition figures have been posted earlier by tony himself and youve seen all the other arguments..
You could probably end this argument today if only you were fair and honest with your opinion on all the accounts argued about but instead when i say things from my point of view you come on sticking up for tony!!! wtf??
Come on stu be fair with me just for once and il let the whole tony thing go once and for all
cheers danny
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Youve seen all the facts all the answers to this and still dont give your opinion and then when i com out with any thing you come and defend tony yet again!!! Why dont you be straight and honest here and give your honest opinion on the whole thing now??
Originally Posted by ME
To be honest, 7.45:1 and 14 degrees at 7000 rpm is about right with 2bar of boost actually, would normally be around 9 in the midrange for that compression and of course it should go up with RPM to the mid teens as the engines VE drops off.
Originally Posted by 750hp escos
all the ignition figures have been posted earlier by tony himself and youve seen all the other arguments..
Originally Posted by ME
I suggest 14 degrees at 4k with 2 bar on that engine is probably a bit optimistic.
Originally Posted by 750hp escos
You could probably end this argument today if only you were fair and honest with your opinion on all the accounts argued about but instead when i say things from my point of view you come on sticking up for tony!!! wtf??
Originally Posted by 750hp escos
Come on stu be fair with me just for once
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All getting a bit ott now. Tony could have posted a picture of the pistons and perhaps put this whole thing to bed by now. After all, he's had time to post up igntion figures agaisnt boost and rpm, which takes longer to type than take a photo.
And Danny - Stu has answered about igntion figures and in his opinion they were a tad on the high side.
Seems to me, no one is right and no one is wrong, as no one can actually prove why the engine let go!
May as well leave it at that
And Danny - Stu has answered about igntion figures and in his opinion they were a tad on the high side.
Seems to me, no one is right and no one is wrong, as no one can actually prove why the engine let go!
May as well leave it at that
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Stu i have said on a lot more than one occasion that its only .65 bar of boost at 4.5k
Thanks for high lighting each point i made i thought i was talking to chip then!!
What about the top boost line of 1.87 ?what is your opinion on this??
cheers danny
Thanks for high lighting each point i made i thought i was talking to chip then!!
What about the top boost line of 1.87 ?what is your opinion on this??
cheers danny
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I even suggested it wasn't done out on the road and boost was artificially low due to being mapped on rollers, as a T4 is coming on song there usually.
What about the top boost line of 1.87 ?what is your opinion on this??
Originally Posted by ME
14 degrees at 7000 rpm is about right with 2bar of boost actually, would normally be around 9 in the midrange for that compression and of course it should go up with RPM to the mid teens as the engines VE drops off.
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I will have to ask again what the ignition values were there as im not with the pc at mo but the car with full load wouldnt really come on song till 5k as thats when the boost was strong..
It was just a lazy engine in them respects and would not make more boost there..
cheers danny
It was just a lazy engine in them respects and would not make more boost there..
cheers danny
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I will have to ask again what the ignition values were there as im not with the pc at mo but the car with full load wouldnt really come on song till 5k as thats when the boost was strong..
It was just a lazy engine in them respects and would not make more boost there..
cheers danny
It was just a lazy engine in them respects and would not make more boost there..
cheers danny
Also what was the air fuel ratio like on the road on boost because as far as im aware cars run richer on the rollers than they do in normal driving conditions so therefore is it not a possibility that no det was present on the rolling road but on the motorway for instance the higher level of boost at 4500 rpm coupled with a leaner air fuel ratio det occurred ?
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And also what were the air temps like on the rollers as if the act was in the 60s when mapped to a specific boost level ie .65 bar when it's cold on the road act20 degrees it may make 2 bar at the same rpm
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Was it as lazy on the road ? As in 5th gear at 4500 rpm on the road what boost did it make ?
Also what was the air fuel ratio like on the road on boost because as far as im aware cars run richer on the rollers than they do in normal driving conditions so therefore is it not a possibility that no det was present on the rolling road but on the motorway for instance the higher level of boost at 4500 rpm coupled with a leaner air fuel ratio det occurred ?
Also what was the air fuel ratio like on the road on boost because as far as im aware cars run richer on the rollers than they do in normal driving conditions so therefore is it not a possibility that no det was present on the rolling road but on the motorway for instance the higher level of boost at 4500 rpm coupled with a leaner air fuel ratio det occurred ?
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Was it as lazy on the road ? As in 5th gear at 4500 rpm on the road what boost did it make ?
Also what was the air fuel ratio like on the road on boost because as far as im aware cars run richer on the rollers than they do in normal driving conditions so therefore is it not a possibility that no det was present on the rolling road but on the motorway for instance the higher level of boost at 4500 rpm coupled with a leaner air fuel ratio det occurred ?
Also what was the air fuel ratio like on the road on boost because as far as im aware cars run richer on the rollers than they do in normal driving conditions so therefore is it not a possibility that no det was present on the rolling road but on the motorway for instance the higher level of boost at 4500 rpm coupled with a leaner air fuel ratio det occurred ?