mechanic28

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Has anyone on here suffered with it?or maybe knows someone that has had it?what were the symptons,also how did they cope/recover from it?

mojogoes

Hi!

Yep been there mate! not a nice place to be and all i can say is to go and see your GP who may reffer you to a specialist or a self help group............good luck!!

boothy

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Yes i did for quite a while after i split up with ex,horrible feeling just feel worthless and hate living,but life is what you make it, the worst thing you can do is mope around just makes it worse.Since ive met my new girlfriend it has changed me so much....
No bad thoughts no feeling down im so happy now

Whats making you feel like this mate

.Ross.

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Yeah me ... After I pinged the motor today ..

Really: Had a family member go over after a real bad loss .. Symptoms well .. If you know someone well enough you will Know if they are on the edge/over/gone .. Medication works but is a double edged sword.

steviecossie

You feel like you cant be arsed with anything anymore and you dont feel good about yourself. you cant be bothered doing anything and it feels like nothing in life has a point anymore because your feeling so bad within yourself.

all you want to do is mope about feeling bad for yourself and you want to shut everyone out of your life, you struggle to eat because you have no appetite and you struggle to sleep because your mind is working overtime, its as if everything is against you

mechanic28

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just seeing who has suffered it and what kind of symtons they had,how they pulled them selfs out of it,also did some of the people who felt it had no real reason to feel it,have great mates,stable family but yet still slide into it?

boothy

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Yes had friends round me and family....put on a brave face to them,but when i was on my own just hated being alive and just didnt want to be here.

But you need to see someone mate and sort it sooner rather than later

mojogoes

Yeah still fall into it myself from time to time but one of the best things to try and do that make it easier is to get yourself out and make yourself bussy.

Dre.1983

Hi mate I stuck a thread up a couple of months ago you might found helpful:

https://passionford.com/forum/genera...epression.html

Im feeling a bit better now not 100% though, still have shitty days where I have no motivation or intrest and just feel like shutting my self away. Best thing I find is do somthing to take my mind of it, if that doesnt work just except its one of those days.

Thrush

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Sounds really pathetic, but I did (still do to be fair) after getting fired from a job, of all things! But that job was a way of life for me, and losing it changed a LOT of things for me...

As for symptoms; tired a lot more, lack of enthusiasm to do anything/go places/see people/etc, loss of appetite (I'd often just not bother eating at all, and anyone that even HALF knows me, knows that is unlike me!), loss of sex drive, finding friends and family, and people in general, annoying/irritating/picking holes in them and their character, almost pushing them away when I probably needed them the most... I'm usually a very rational thinker, and quite logical in my thoughts and actions, but lately I've been well, just NOT thinking, and not seeing things as I would normally, and subsequently I've upset/hurt/alienated people I care about the most by not thinking though my actions or their consequences, and then when I realise this, it only makes me feel even worse, and I get into a proper downward spiral of self-loathing

My problem is I spend too much time thinking; too much time thinking the "but if only..." and "what if..." and "if I had..." etc etc, which makes it all the worse. Cos once you start thinking like that it's very hard to stop. Once you dwell on it, it's hard to make it go away. I still do now, and added to the fact my future is uncertain at best, and all that I have is properly in jeopardy, isn't the best of feeling's

I'm still battling my inner demons, and it's hard. SteveCossie hit the nail on the head really, as in how you feel....

Psycho Warren

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http://www.depression-guide.com/symp...depression.htm

A big part of it is why your depressed. For some people its genetic based and causes the chemical changes in brain for no good reason. For others it can be in response to major life changing events or a series of events, build up of stress etc. And for some it can be a mix of both.

At least if you understand why you get depressed you can learn to deal with it easier.

Remember for most people a depressive episode is just that and eventually make a full recovery. But for some it can be a ongoing nightmare of recurring episodes throughout thier lives.

Apparently i get depressive episodes quite often but i try to not let things get too bad these days. But its real hard when theres just no energy there, no nothing, etc to just function daily.

Paget

as above, exept i slept all the time, didnt give a toss about anything, got in trouble with police etc.
i also took anything said to heart.

Spoony.

thats exactly how i felt,and plus i was drinkin alot to drown my sorrows but never worked,but didnt stop me tryin tho....needless to say i was a mess,even started to self-harm at one point!!!..its not a part of my life i wud like to repeat!!..i still feel it now and again but nower near as bad as i use to!!..all i can say to someone suffereing with it is to talk about it,u wont want to but trust me it helps,and surround urself with positive people - people who make ya laugh and will generaly be ther for u ....if anyone wants to pm me and talk about it feel free,doesnt matter if i know ya or not il help ya if i can

Mrs T

I suffer from this but im very up and down,and when i'm down I feel that i'm at rock bottom, but that is all to do with pms but I can turn nasty with it (like any woman i suppose)

I went to the doc's about it and he did give me anti d's but I wanted to try handle it on my own, which at the moment i don't think I am.

Go to the doc's and have a chat to them

Chip

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**T** when you say you are up and down, when you come up are you sometimes quite over the top happy for no real reason, or just normal?

Cause bipolar is the other option of course, its a very trendy illness, even britney has it

Big G

That was pretty much me, whenever i could gather some kind of enthusiasm or motivation there was always something blocking me from doing what I wanted to do, and it feels like your being kicked while your down, thus dropping you deeper into depression.
A pure horrible thing I would never wish on anyone and certainly would not like to visit again, but in saying that the lows that I had have made me into a stronger person today,
I had counselling and had to sit in groups etc, looking back I believe that my head was like a box of fucked up lego that just needed sorting out, these sessions did that, and made me more open minded about things.

DanW@FastFord

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If your PMS is particularly bad, with proper suicidal lows, Google PMDD.

JohnnyB

The Mrs used to suffer badly from it, after our second child, I went though hell, things improved over time, but she would still get into megga lows, tried the anti d, for 3 months helped, but she had to get off them as she could not cum on them lol.

Then a mate suggested some MDMA every 3 to 6 months and it worked, not been depressesed since.

Mrs T

Yeah I can get very excited and happy about normal things and it will make me feel on top of the world, and it feels like noone can ruin it,(like a kid at xmas but i'm 32 this year) then one person can say something not really that bad looking at it, and it will bring me down with a bump, then it makes me just want to hide away,and start to hate myself but i've always been a worrier so that don't help me.

I suppose it can feel that everyone is against me when really noone is, but its also silly things that can bring me down as well
Its hard to explain.

No not been that low, just more in myself and hating myself.
This might some quite silly now but I did notice that when I was down and needed to bring myself back up I'd go have a tattoo done or a piercing, hence now I'm having laser to remove 4,
Its more I try to change who I am

D.K.

You feel so low that waking up everyday is hard, everyday is a struggle. You cant sleep coz so much is going round in your head and your scared to close your eyes coz you know your gonna have to face another day if you do.You cant eat coz you feel sick all the time and you feel sick coz you cant eat.You lose interest in things you used to enjoy doing. You feel like ending it all but scared at the same time, and you feel so alone coz no one wants to listen and just thinks your moody all the time.

You lose everyone you love coz you lash out and no one wants to be around you any more and mates lose interest in you coz your not as fun as you used to be.

You forget what it feels like to laugh and smile and it feels like the whole worlds against you and your fighting it on your own.

Chip

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It does sound more like Bi-polar than regular manic depression then, although obviously you cant exactly make a diagnosis over the internet

Might we worth asking your doctor about next time you are there for something else anyway, no big deal but the medications given can sometimes be slightly different for bi-polar and manic depression.

Mrs T

It hit me when I had my little girl and thats nearly 3 years ago now,they gave me anti d's then and was told I had postnatal depression, but it did go but something has came back and i'm not sure what it is.

Chip

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Definately worth starting a dialog with your GP then

Mental health is something that needs to be taken seriously, too many people ignore symptoms!

CossieRich

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Came off anti d's because she couldnt cum and replaced with a pure form of ecstacy - MDMA. Yeah good one

opposite lock

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From my understanding manic depression is actually Bi-polar. Just a different way of saying it. My ex girlfriend has been on medication for long time , think she said it usually accours early to mid twenties but can start before this.
Type 1 and 2 there are subtle differences. type 1 disorder from memory is most common, suffering the high,s and lows - manic depression and mania, type 2 i think means a more hypermanic episodes with major depression . In between all this you can suffer both together hence the BI-polar. An inbalance of mood control within the brain.

Apparently her GP said there,s probably lots of people unrecognised . Some of her symtoms would be to buy lots of the same things for example. I,d say Nicky boarders a manic state more than depressive.

As for being depressed , mentioned above, very difficult to acheive but keeping busy will definately help the mind , and talking to people can make a big difference.
I used to use a theory that no matter how bad i felt, someone has really got a lot worse situ than yourself. Also your not alone, i think feeling alone is a subtle and devastating inner feeling

Char1ie

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If it works, then why not. It's a safe drug, has been used in therapy a lot and if it is effective and used sensibly then it makes sense to stick with it?

Charlie

CossieRich

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Charlie,

Am i correct that MDMA is a pure from of the common drug ecstacy?

If so - then it wouldnt be branded a class of drug if it was safe

if not - then i stand corrected and apologise

Chip

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In terms of true medical terms yes, but the terms tend to get used generally more for depression being people who just feel low all the time, and bi-polar being people who "swing both ways" as it were.
Its a strange situation cause the medical profession seems to have lumped them together more recently and then seperated them again by calling them bilpolar and bipolar-2 IIRC
Bipolar is basically what traditionally gets called depression, as it only goes in one direction (ie downwards!), bipolar 2 is the one that goes both ways and is what normally gets called bipolar, even a lot of GP's will confuse the terms.

Another very closely related (but worse!) condition is schizophrenia, which basically has similar symptoms but then some others as well (delusions, voices, etc).

Chip

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No strong mind altering drug is truely safe really, and to be anywhere close to being considered that it should be prescribed by someone who knows what they are doing.

Its relatively unlikely that someone who has suffered mild mental health problems, and then "fixed them" with sex parties and drugs etc to distract them from reality isnt going to end up with more serious mental health problems long term I should think, although as with all things mental health its a lottery!

Char1ie

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You are right. MDMA is ecstacy. It doesn't kill you, it isn't addictive and it works in various therapies. It was on the list to be downgraded before the government overturned the advice of drug researchers.

http://www.wired.com/science/discove.../2001/02/41457

Charlie

Char1ie

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Nobody mentioned sex parties as a cure for depression, just that MDMA seems to help in treatment.

Charlie

CossieRich

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Charlie,

Fair point but i still think proper medication is the way to go. Im sure if JohnnyB's wife had told her doctor that she was suffering sexually because of the anti d's, they would have found another type/brand for her to take to see if that cured her lack of orgasmic grunt.

Coldo

I think only a doctor can give a true diagnosis.

Too easy to be going through a bad patch for a few days/week/month and assume you are "depressed" then when you genuinely believe you are depressed, you blame it when you feel un-motivated or tired or whatever.

Ive had times where ive felt shit, seemed like things aren't going the way i want them but then i realise thats just life and get on with it, only you can change how you feel, just a case of roughing out the bad times to get to the good times.

imo.

Char1ie

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I have a good friend who is bipolar and has been depressed for about 10 years. It's very serious and his condition is really improved through therapy. He's been through drugs of various types but the therapy works much better.

Charlie

JohnnyB

Thank you Char1lie, The guy who suggested MDMA, only ever uses it for his med, he allways keeps a small stash, he never uses it for pleasure, he only does 60mg in a hit and only does it when he can feel a low comming on. The last time he had his med was 4 months ago.

I would say most Anti D are far more mind altering than MDMA.

Chip

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Sadly even a lot of doctors are too keen to just hand out anti depressants as a quick fix when they arent the answer.

Massive difference between just feeling shit and having manic depression, but very hard to diagnose the difference, especially if people are a bit melodramatic in their answers when examined.

Chip

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Varies depending on the type of drug and the quantity, one of the most common drugs used for treating bipolar is lithium, and thats RELATIVELY harmless, even compared to the likes of MDMA, but the quantities some people end up on manage to make it harmful, just like with MDMA.

Psycho Warren

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I found similar being able to keep going for like 45 mins straight which is boring. Theres only so many positions and variations you can try before getting knackered
Have you been able to rationalise why you hate yourself and hence why the negative thoughts are untrue???

Yeah dont leave it until you have a full blown mental breakdown. It fucks things up big style if it happens at the "wrong" time
Considering depression in a chemical sense is a reduced level of "feel happy" endorphins in the brain then sex parties would help as it releases those feel good endorphins. Also why doctors like to tell you to do exercise if depressed as exercise releases endorphins too. In effect most anti-d's do the same thing but by different methods, eg SSRI where it aims to prevent seritonin being reabsorbed.

cabrio zo

I actually agree here, this is usually how I see things, I see myself as 'lucky' that when I go through phases as you describe above I can shake myself out of it after a few days and wouldn't amount it to being depressed, but I've never felt bad enough to even consider talking to a Doctor about it.

Although Johnnyb's 'treatment' might be a bit unconventional as it is not a legally prescribed drug, if it works with seemly no ill effects good for Naomi, wouldn't say I'd totally trust prescribed drugs either, I can't remember names, but hasn't there been legally prescribed drugs taken off of the market for allegedly causing suicides etc? Legal doesn't always mean safer though of course not that I am condoning self prescribed illegals any drug that has the ability to alter the way the brain functions is a bit scary, guess its a case of finding what is right for you personally - I do think GP's are too ready just to write a prescription IMO.

When I feel a bit unmotivated and tired I find exercise helps

Chip

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The scarey thing about a lot of mental health medication is that the manufacturers themselves can only guess at WHY it works.

I can remember when I was studying psychology at uni I was reading up on an antipschotic drug (I dont recall which one now) and the manufactures information about the drug had a line that started "How we think the drug works is....."

I was gobsmacked that these drugs were being adminstered left right and chelsea and without anyone actually knowing HOW they worked, they just know from lots of testing that they do work to a certain extent, but not truely understand how, doesnt exactly fill you with confidence

Sadly we have only scratched the surface so far with our understanding of how the brain itself really works, so we are a long way off proper cures for mental health issues.