Anyone a fan? Got right into them lately - can't stop listening to "Absolution"

Seen they are confirmed as the first band to play the new Wembley Stadium aswell - Bon Jovi will be pissed as it was s'posed to be him

 

a few of my mates aswell as my boss went to see em at wembley 2 weeks ago i think

i was gonna go but aint got a clue what tracks they done so never went,,,,, free ticket too


but then i also turn down arsenal hospitality tickets too cause i aint a football fan that are foc at work

 

Im a huge fan, lol, awesome band, I have seen them a few times, was at Cardiff a couple of weekes back, will be going to wembley, cant wait now!?

 

Absolution is jsut an amazing album - I'm still listening to that after a few years

 

Great band, should of done more albums for the years they've been around. every single one is amazing and theres nothing like blasting Knights of cydonia out on a Les paul and Marshal combo.

They really do shine best when live, great show they put on. Plus all the live shows are better on MP3 audio than the actual cds, especiall if you have been before hand.

plug in baby, new born, Nights of cydonia, hysteria, stockholme syndrome, bliss, sun burn, invincible, supermassive black hole, all amazing.

 

i think there will be a few bands out there that will be thinkin "what the fuck??" i for one would have thought it would have been u2 or the stones, maybe even bon jovi who were originally booked up to play first. not fuckin muse. sorry they might be a good band but they aint fantastic
they might as well have booked the winner of x-factor to open it

 

Sorry I know I'm biased cos I think Muse are Fantastic, but surely you opinion is a load of shit

I think you will find that Muse have been winning Best Live act awards for the last 5 years or so, so surely they deserve just like anyone else, especially as the beat some of the so called superstars!? and as for the X-factor comment, whether you like Muse or not, get a grip, they started on their own about 10 years ago and made it to where they are now, not alot of bands can say that theses days as most of them are manufactured from shit like X-factor, sorry rant over.

 

well its my opinion, i wouldnt accept a freebie to go see them, there terribly overrated, and in years to come when people ask who played the first gig at the new wembley and they hear muse's name, most of the responses will be "who?"

and where exactly did they win "best live act" the purple turtle in camden?

lets face it there are better bands out there who deserve it more than muse, bands that have been at the top for decades, the stones, u2, oasis, paul weller, chili peppers, even take that are more deserving of the first headline shot, the list could go on and on as well.

and the x-factor comment was made as a joke, so maybe you should get a grip and realise that this is the internet

rant over

 

I liked them over a year ago, went off them, but their new album is awesome!!!!!
After seeing their performance at the Reading festival, i wouldnt mind going to see them

 

Didnt say there werent better bands and i think you will find that the awards they have won best live act for were at Q, NME and Kerrang, but thats nothing obviously

people are entitiled to their opinions, i just dont see why they wouldnt deserve a chance to play wemebly first especially they have won most live act awards this year, surely that counts for something???

 

i used to look after a couple of the members cars in teignmouth when i worked there... before they were big.... think one of them still has a cavalier

 

Bon jovi may have been booked before and may have been around a lot lot longer selling more albums but lets face it they along with they're crappy love rock songs are awful.

Muse are still young and have already done some great songs not to mention HEADLINE all of the big festivals like Glastonbury, Reading/Leeds and V. They regularly sell out their arena tours which always features MEN arena which is the biggest indoor arena in europe i think. People who see them in America are also stunned as well.

So why is it they can't or shouldn't do 90,000 capacity Wembley again?

Awards mean nothing but this band is acknowledge as one of the best around for live shows, their produced Cds just don't compare to them live as thats when all the effects and lighting come into play. If anyone has seen the Glastonbury 2005 show and Reading this year footage then you will be blown away.

You can get the Reading full show Video or audio along with Jools holland recent show and others on the below Muse site, Reading video gig is 700MB but downloads fast and will probably be done in 30 mins or so with a reasonable connection via your browsers download manager.

People who doubt should watch that then come back. U2 are a great band but have done nothing i would call decent for years. Muse are doing it now not in the past.

http://www.microcuts.net/uk/download/

 

im not saying they dont deserve a chance to play wembley, if you've got the fan base and can sell out 90,000 seater stadiums then fair play, im just saying in my opinion that i would have rather seen the stones etc...... be first choice as it would have been more historical.

 

Actually, to be fair, I think in years to come, people will still know who Muse are as I don't see them going away anywhere (as proven by the successfull track record so far) but people will be saying that about the muppets that win xfactor and those shows I mean - wheres will young now? What about Gareth Gates? Or Hearsay, or the boy band that was supposed to rival Girls Aloud (so shite I cannot even remember their name) Or what about the most recent winner (some bloke- his success was so short lived I can't remember his name)

See my point? Muse started out like all the successfull bands did - on their own doing it their way and not comprimising. Bands like Metallica - still THE most successfull and biggest selling metal band of all time - and Radiohead (one of the most successfull indie/alternative rock bands ever) for example. Or Guns N Roses - one of THE biggest bands of all time!!!!

 

Why are they more deserving? Because there better known?

Fecks sake, as for Chilli Peppers U2 there not English Bands so why would it make sense for them to open wembley stadium?

And the Stones and Oasis, The Stones haven't released any new material for ages. So it makes no sense for them to open it. And all Oasis's last album was shit. If they wanted a nostalgic gig, yeah get Oasis in.

But it's a NEW place, Muse are one of the best live bands here at the moment and have released some good new material.

So if you don’t think Muse deserve to open it, come up with a decent alternative…

 

Absolution is a good album, not to keen on the newer stuff though.

 

well muse wont be about in another 10 years, that id bet my last pound on, there songs aint that good, they been about 10 years yeh? so where the fuck where they the first 7-8 years of them??? i was chatting to a few of my mates last night down the pub who all think the same, that there just shit, now thats mine and my mates opinion, so please dont anyone post back about how many best live act awards theyve won over the last 10 years or any other pointless shit i dont need to know, enjoy the gig whoever goes, hopefully the wind aint blowing towards my house that night

and lets pray to the man upstairs that they pick someone good for the second gig

 

sorry mate but your talkin complete shit there!!! the comment about the oasis album proved it, the importance of being idle was one of the best oasis songs ive ever heard

you stick to your new music, maybe in 10 years time when you've grown up a little your mind might be able to take in a good song or 2

 

Your one of these musical snobs aren't you.

I've got all of Oasis's pervious albums, listen to Defintely Maybe then listen to Don't Believe The Truth and tell me it's as good.

Yeah Lyla and The Importance Of Being Idle were alright tracks, but nothing great. Nothing like Rock 'n' Roll Star, Live Forever, Cigarettes & Alcohol, Don't Look Back In Anger, Roll With It, Champagne Supernova.

Not that I'd know because clearly I need to grow up and take in a few good songs . What ever you may believe Oasis are only a shadow of there former selfs. Maybe thats why they've released a greatest hits album.

Anyway you may think Muse are crap, but in the eyes of alot of people there a decent band. And all the awards they've been winning recently pretty much backs this up.

Also I said come up with a Decent alternative to Muse and yet you'e said nothing so lets hear your thoughts then.....

 

musical snob? what fuckin drugs are u on? its either good or its shit, end of. oasis maybe a shadow of themselves, but they are still one of the best bands around today, if the importance of being idle was written by the arctic monkeys everyone wouldnt have shut up about it, definitely maybe was definitely maybe, how old is it now 13 yrs old? and it would still piss over every other bands debut album. but no one will write a better debut album and to be honest oasis will never be able to beat it. but people like you will never be able to get that

and dont believe the truth had some amazing songs on it. turn up the sun, the meaning of soul, lyla, importance of being idle, a bell will ring, thats 5 songs there and there was only 10 or 11 on the album.

you never told me what muse were doing for the first 8 of their 10 years yet? playing to smelly pubs in devon cos they werent as good as everyone else? cos i only remember them being about for the last 2, if that?

if your after alternatives, the arctic monkeys, kasabian, in my eyes 2 of the best bands around at the moment, they sell shit loads more than muse ever will do and there songs are much better. u could even go for pop bands, such as take that.

muse might be kerrangs or Q's best live act, but who are they up against? limp biscuit and all that american shite more than likely, and who votes for them? some posh kid in oxford who wants to rebel against mummy and daddy cos hes sick of wearing dickie bo's to church?

muse, my chemical romance and bands of that stature will be here today gone tomorrow. and when u think back in 5 years time you'll be thinking "that fuckin geezer on pf was spot on, shouldve took note"

 

Have to agree with JJC here,

never could understand Muse. Plus the lead singer sounds like a girl.

 

i rest my fuckin case

i werent gonna say about that as it'll probably open up another can of worms with these student rock lovers but fpmsl

 

You fuckin' knows it.

 

dont they wear eyeliner and all that rubbish too? not very rock and roll is it

 

You can't compare Muse to My Chemical Romance.

As for what they've been doing. They've been pretty well known since 2001 when the album Origin of Symmetry was released. 2003 Absolution the 3rd album was released a single well known off this is Time Is Running Out. And now 2006 Black Holes And Revelations.

Not saying there the best band out there at the mo, but there by no means shit! At the 2005 Brit Awards, Muse got awarded the "Best Live Act" award. So it just seems to make sense to me that there playing at the new wembley stadium.

Arctic monkeys and Kasabian are alright, but you don't really know whether there here to stay or just a flash in the pan. Because there not exactly established bands.

As for Take That, not really my thing but I'm sure they'll play the new wembley stadium pretty soon. Don't deserve to open it though IMO.

As for Oasis,

Quoted by you:
definitely maybe, how old is it now 13 yrs old? and it would still piss over every other bands debut album. but no one will write a better debut album and to be honest oasis will never be able to beat it. but people like you will never be able to get that

Yeah, I think it's a fucking great album. As for not getting it, I think Oasis have lost the edge they first had now. And i'm sure even they know that!

Anyway, enough said on this. If you don't like Muse fair enough, but you must not have a clue if your comparing them to My Chemical Romance.

 

wooooooaaah!!! hold yer fuckin horses mate, im not saying that oasis should be first in line to play wembley,ive never put that in any of the posts on this thread, my first choice would be the stones as they were are one of the best bands to ever come out of this country and are still going strong. im saying that if its got to be a new sound then it should be arctic monkeys or kasabian as they piss all over muse every day of the week.

and to be fair i dont wear rose tinted sunglasses and its 2006 u dick

and as for noel copying some fuckin rift for lyla, half of definitely maybe was copied in some way or another but its still the best album to come out for years so your theory is........?

to be honest you could tell me til im blue in the face that muse are the next big thing and there so good live etc.... but when there songs come on the radio i put a cd on when they come on the telly i put the news on cos thats more exciting, 4 or 5 people wearing make up and singing student rock does nothin for me and it never will do

 

i werent comparing them musically tho, there flash in the pan bands, muse might have been goin since 2000 but only come into view last 2 years but they wont be at the top for very long and the songs aint good enough but you'll never get that so no point sayin it really

you go enjoy your gig at the creche and then hopefully the bigger boys will be allowed in after to show how its done

 

i have respect for anybody who writes a song but im not gonna bow down to them and think its great cos they wrote a song from scratch and got a record deal. but if i dont like a band theyre shit, u cant beat around the bush, as i said earlier its either good or it aint

i agree with what u say about the 90,000 dads bopping along to satisfaction but its gonna be a historical gig, and in my eyes muse aint gonna be that historical in the bigger picture.

anyway im gonna leave it here as ive had enough of debating with a pc screen

whoever goes enjoy the gig

 

I love it when a thread comes together

JJC

1) Muse haven't "only been going for the past 2 years" - I bought Origin of Symmetry in 2000, and that was because I had already heard their stuff prior to that, on radio since 1998/1999.

2) Where we they before that? Doing what every great band in the world today, and yesterday, have done - playing gigs. Muse are a live band, and they made their name playing live. They started at the bottom and worked their way up themselves, on their terms. Not many bands do that, and not many bands have done that.

3) Flash in the pan? Sorry, I beg to differ. Bands like Muse either make it or they don't. Muse have made it - they are a household name, play sell out arena's and stadiums and tour across the globe, selling albums by the shit load. Sure one day they will stop, or possibly even fade away, but bet your bottom dollar it won't be particulary soon. You say they won't be around in ten years - look at Metallica : everyone in the record industry - even their own management! - said they wouldn't make it, and would be gone in a couple of years. Now look at them. Biggest concert draw touring band second only to the Rolling Stones. Biggest record sales of any heavy metal band EVER. Been going strong since 1981 - and STILL making records now (currently in the studio working on the 10th studio album as we speak). Bands like Metallica don't fade away - they did it the "proper" way - start at the bottom, and give it everything. No day jobs and playing on weekends - they lived it through and through, and they got their success on their own terms. Fuck, they were playing arena's befroe MTV even heard of them! Muse are built from that same grit determination, and do things in the same way. I can't see them fading out in the next few years personally.

4) "Their songs ain't very good" ??? Thats opinion mate - don't pass it off as fact. In your opinion they ain't very good, but in the opinion of the millions of fans, the people who buy their albums, go to their shows, watch them on TV, not to mention the PROFESSIONALS in the music industry (who I bet you would tell a thing or two to right? ) who signed them, market them, and release their stuff - all those people think their songs are good. Personally I think Oasis songs are shite - but thats my opinion cos I am not a fan of the band - doesn't make it fact that their songs are shite now does it? I would say their proven success denotes their songs are widely acclaimed and the majority of the people must think they are good right?

How long have Oasis been going then? Their first album was in 1994 right? So 12 years. Now you yourself said that they have lost the edge, and record sales, concert draw and popularity says they are falling off the top spot. So how comes you use them as a headstone by which to judge other bands, if they have lost it and are fading out. Look at the last album - a "best off" album - which is typically the kiss of death for an otherwise desperate rock band!

Thing that pisses me off about people like you is the narrow minded "i know it all" attitude, and how you try to pass of opinion as fact. Why bother? If you really do know it all, why haven't you made your millions as a music mogul signing all the great bands and killing all the shit ones? What credentials do you have to back up your claims that just because you don't like a band, you say they are shit? You might think they are shit, doesn't mean it is so. I think they Artic Monkeys are shit - millions beg to differ. I think Oasis are shit - again, millions beg to differ.

Deifference is, I THINK bands are shit, and for that reason I don't like them. Yon come on here claiming to KNOW which bands are shit, and that your word is fact. Which is the basic element to an argument from someone who actually DOESN'T know what they are talking about....

But your opinion is your opinion, and I respect your right to have an opinion. Just don't try and pass it off as fact when it isn't.

 

Now I agree 110% there - Floyd are probably the ONLY band that could have made it a true landmark historic event. Not even The Who could achieve that

Lets face simple facts. Muse are currently at the top of their tree, whether some people like it or not. They are also a very big concert draw. To a stadium like Wembley, that is a VERY big factor. Also a big factor is getting the current "hip/happening/cool/whatever" band of the moment as the opener - it adds street cred and since the band in question is very "cool" at this time, it gets a lot of publicity. Admittedly, that would also be true if they had got Take That to open the stadium - since their reunion has put them on the "cool wall" so to speak.....

I think U2 or the Stones would have also been good choices, but I really don't think Oasis would have been the correct choice. They just don't cut it these days. And to be fair, much as I am a fan, I don't think Bon Jovi would be a good choice either - as they simply don't cut it like they used to. Oasis would have been a good choice 5 or 6 years ago, maybe even a couple years less than that, and Bon Jovi would have been top draw about that timescale aswell, but these days thats not where they are at.

Personally tho - I wouldn't have any band as the opener - I would have an event. Maybe something like the fist, and only, live performance of Jeff Waynes War of the Worlds that was recently done at Wembley Arena. THAT would be a good showcase for a new stadium

 

hold up cos obviously your reading the wrong post... when did i SAY that oasis should play first at wembley?........ I DIDNT!!!

oasis might not be able to write a supersonic and live forever now but those songs are written when your on the dole with dreams of rock stars, not sat in a mansion in hampstead wondering wether you can be arsed to go on tour anymore, and its the same as every other band out there, you might find that if muse get to the top then the songs you come to love from them start to slide as the desire to write them becomes less important.

live you'll find it hard to beat a band like oasis, only band ive seen get close was the foo fighters which i think are an amazing band, IN MY OPINION they are a great band, and concert sales for oasis havent faded away, there still playing to packed out stadiums all over the world. and oasis started in 91, i know this as they used to play the a local pub at the bottom of my road.

how you can compare muse to metallica amazes me it really does
metallica are a heavy metal band and as you say they were good, not so much now tho, i liked the st anger song they did a couple of years back but the album werent great, muse dont even come close musically.

every band starts out at the bottom so how you can think that muse are the only band to rough it in a transit van doing the pub circuit, the mind boggles. like most bands out there, they got lucky, oasis, the stones, etc were all lucky as its tough to get a recording contract. BUT you have to have the songs.

definitely maybe is a great album and set oasis up for life but if you took definitely maybe out of the equation (sp) and then with the acception of be here now and standing on the shoulder of giants still have better albums than most. thats the only problem oasis have got, people comparing every other album they do to definitely maybe. but im not trying to big oasis up in any way as i dont need to.

and to what mattj said bout floyd reforming, yes that would have been the perfect gig but you got more chance of the beatles re-forming with original members
another band i THINK would have been a top drawer would have been the stone roses but again its never gonna happen.

and its not a fact that a band are shit cos i say so but my opinion is fact and to ME they are shit and will never amount to nothing, THATS MY OPINION WHICH ISNT FICTIONAL, ITS FACT!!! and i will never change the way i think about muse unless they bring a song out that i THINK is good, the maybe id buy a ticket and go to a gig

you think the sun shines out of muse's arse and i dont its as simple as that, maybe ive got greater taste in music and maybe you have, who fuckin cares, lets be honest. music is there to be liked or disliked i know that im not gonna go watch muse play live or any other band on the opinion of you or others and you probably wouldnt go see a band that ive recommended, its just one of those things

 

Yeah sure, it is possible Muse will get to the top and then the songs will begin to slide - personally I don't think so as you take the last 4 albums and they have only got better and better. Absolution (album #3) is, in the opinion of many, not just myself, a better album that album #1...

Again I disagree - you are choosing to say you won't find a better band live than Oasis cos your are an Oasis fan - I am not! I would HATE and Oasis gig. Personally, out of the hundreds of bands I have seen over the years, Metallica still put on the best show IMO... I personally don't fell you'll find a better live band than them, but it is all relative to what bands you like, so there's no real comparrison......

I never once comparred Metallica's MUSIC to that of Muse. Seems you did, but not me. Not once did I even reference it. I comparred they way the two bands were formed, and how they achieved what they achieved, and how their success has been rated. Nothing to do with music, or even musical style. You need to see the bigger picture here and stop thinking of bands in terms of the music they play.


No, not every band starts at the bottom. Many bands are formed from existing bands, or are put together by already successfull musicians which elevates their chances (and often garantee's it) their chances of success. I mean, if Paris Hilton was a nobody, do you think she would have got a chart rating with her abysmal single that she did? Of course not. And yes it IS tough to get a recordingin contract - but not as tough as it was 10, even 5yrs ago - and I agree you have to have the songs. Using that logic, does it not prove Muse DO have the songs, otherwise how did they get a record contract and spawn 4 top selling albums to launch them into the stratosphere?

Personally I didn't like it, but I aprreciate the artistic talent in it. And nearly every band has a new album comparred to it's "best" - Metallica, for example again, are always having an album comparred to their self-titled release, and nearly every heavy metal album is comparred to thier MASTER OF PUPPETS album, which is still the cornerstone for heavy metal music.

Sorry, again you are deluded. You cannot choose what is fact and what isn't! Your opinion is not fact! That is purely the essence of the word. OPINION! Definition : a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty" - OPINION IS NOT FACT - FACT!

Again, mis understood. I do not think the sun shines out of Muse's arse. Not at all, and I never said it did, nor did I post any inclination that I thought that to be the case. I simply started a thread about a band that I honestly quite like at the moment. I will stand up and defend them when faced with one-sided and shitty arguments and attacks against them that are unfounded, but that doesn't mean I love them or they are my favourite band. My favourite band is Metallica, and I think they sun shines out of their asses. I also think the sun shines out of the rear end of Dream Theater, who I think are one of the best, and most technical, bands on the face of the earth. But I never said I thought Muse were the greatest, the best or the most deserving band, in any shape or form...

 

what the FUCK are you on about??

 

agree with most of the rest too.

 

Thrush



Just read all the way through after my last post and I totally agree!
Fair enough it is all based on opinion, everybody likes different things, but JJC you cannot simply say Muse are shit, they made it on their own and won awards along the way, not to mention two number 1 albums, both straight in at number 1, I even think Origin of Symmetry made it to number 3 in this country, and several top 10 hits first of which was "Plug in baby" back in 2000. a couple even got to the top 3, most recently "Super Massive" and I think you will find they have gone straight in at number 10 this week as well, so I think millions of people rightly disagree with your opinion. They are one of the biggest bands out there at the moment especially in Europe and Japan, they didnt do to bad in America either. Yeah shit

 

JJC

what do you think of Radiohead?

 

My personal opinion on Radiohead is they are an absolutely SUPERB band. I don't actually like them, but they are a superb band, and Tom York is a musical genious. Just not my cup of tea, save for a few tracks. Tho I did own OK COMPUTER for a while, which is not a bad record, neither is THE BENDS.