What's that noise?? Oh great! It's the baliffs at the front door again!

Your friend is weird

 

 

I can see this coming back and kicking him in the balls at some point.

 

cant see it m8, after he passes alloted points he will be banned,points are on record so if car has pnc after he loses licence but carries on driving it will bring up disqualified driver, he then will be arrested etc etc and prison if he keeps at it

 

Here's an interesting related story...

Someone worked as a journalist for a non-car magazine and the publishers automaticly put you on the insurance without even looking at licence etc.

He got banned for drink driving, didnt tell them, carried on driving the company/rental cars etc.

Got done for it again. Carried on driving them, nobody was the wiser.

Got done for it a 3rd time, narrowly escaped prison, didnt tell them, but one of the company saw the story in the paper

He was sacked

 

It is possible to have more then the standard 12 points in some cases, I used to know someone who had 15, but, if you plead that old "i need it for my job" chestnut then you should be ok.

If the balif's ever come knocking on my door asking for bling, they'd better have the same payment terms as me - beer or smut

 

 

A friend of mine had 18 points at one time (several years ago now), but due to mitigating circumstances (and not because he needed to drive for his job) was allowed to keep his license and wasn't banned under the totting up procedure.

Rudey, I don't think your mates method is one I'd opt for

 

you can not be banned UNLESS you attend court, no matter the amount of points ya have you have to attemot court to be banned, that means the next time he gets his coller felt he will be taken into custody and then taken to court and banned

ever notice when ya get a letter about going court you can pay 30 quid and not attend but in some situations you have no choice and you have to attend, thats because ya getting banned !!!!

his idea dont work about being banned as hes got a warant out for his arrest otherwise and will be done for ignoring a court order ( not a good thing to be done for but the fine aint much

 

m8's a courier got 18 points on his licence still driving and is NOT banned but gets a bigger fine than whats normally given!! doubt another meeting with the courts will be the same though

 

Right....

Like is said above you cannot be banned in your absense. If it looks like you will be disqualified as a totter on your DVLA print out, the court will deal with you in your absenses, then adjourn for you to attend. If you don't attend on your new date, you will go Warrent WITH Bail, meaning when the police catch up with you, your bailed to a new date at court. After about a month or two you will go Warrent WITHOUT Bail, meaning when the police catch up with you, your arrested and held in custody until the next available court (normally next day unless the next day is a Sunday).

So really it won't work...

 

i sence a inside knowlage here , hope ya a barrister or cleaner in a magistrates court and not the enemy

 

in the case of a limited company being the vehicle keeper, and company being unable to say for sure who was driving the vehicle at the time the scammera went off, a strange situation can develop.

the points are allocated to the company secretary and it reads something like ' 3 points to miss jones on behalf of ABC Ltd'.

becasue of this some company secretaries have dozens of points on thier licences and can still drive.

 

Fellas,
I think it only fair to say that yes, you can get banned in your absence. Usually done a "totter". All the courts have to do is send a letter out to your last known address and you are then disqualified.

It does create a lot of problems for the police and CPS when the courts do disq you in absence as it has to be proven you knew you were banned when you get caught driving.

 

arch are you totally sure about that

are ya sure theres not just a warant and then when ya get a tug wether driving or just drop in the station ya get a sumons

infact when i refused a court order i had the next day a memeber of the court hand me a sumons personally and he drove from southend to phisically hand it to me so i knew i was due for court

would that be the same situation when driving

cant see a letter at the last known address being enough info to disqualify you with not knowng but the way of warant would make you driving on borrowed time and then ya would get banned and as its a ban its from date of conviction so even if ya avoided it for 5 years and then got done the 12month band would be from the day ya went to court and not already delt with

i seriously cant see the court allowing to ban you whilst not present as you are not aware and so is pointless as you have not committed an offence , also theres no penalty as such as if ya get a tug 5 years later the 6 month ban would be pointless

 

i seriously dont belive that !!!!, as i stated before i had a member of the court hand me a sumons personally when i refused a court order, im sure they do that in all types of cases and not just refusing a court order

 

Yep,
Seems bloody strange doesn't it. Keep it to yourselves but I've had to drop several cases of dizzy driving because of this odd way of working. Basically, you arrest em for dizzy, they say I didn't know. You bail em and ask the courts if they were present on day of sentencing(important point).

If the courts say no then its a very long winded process to prove that they knew they were dizzy. Its far easier to charge no insurance and get em to court that way. Incidentally, if they are shown as disq on PNC/DVLA but CPS decide not enough evidence to charge you cannot then charge em with no licence, as they are disqualified from holding or obtaining one!!!

I have spoken to CPS and it seems that this way of disqualifying folks is on the West Mid court circuit so I am not sure if its done the same in other parts of the country.

 

mate dont get em wrong but the idea sucks as in all honesty they might not be aware of it, just like ya cant give a parking ticket for being parked in a res bay if the time plate has been removed even though there parked in a CPZ so there is no free parking and no ticket or not in the windw stating otherwise and for that reason i think doing them for driving DQ is wrong , but at that point ya nick em and inform em of going to court and then do as timrud states, much better and efficiant system imo

thats me going for the courts btw, see im not a total law breaker

 

Ah, right, recently a "mate" convinced me to become the company secretary for his "dormant" company, said it was just a bit of paper, didn't mean anything, I said "ok fine"... hmm...

 

Alex had more that 12 last year He pleaded he needed it for his job and got a letter from his employer In about a month he will have a clean licence for the first time in years

 

OI OI

Yeah back online Got broadband activated wednesday but then the power pack on the pc gave up All working now though!

And i got my car back to woooooooooo its all snug in the garage Its rapid to didn't stop smiling the hole way home every time i put my foot down i got the giggles pmsl

Take it the locking nut must have grew legs and walked then

 

Well it torque steered me up the road It don't feel as aggressive as alex's smoother but feels as quick but then i got the .63 housing so it won't be bang straight on boost!!! But mark was surprized how well they got the final map its not that laggy at all and his words were to Alex...... watch it boy it goes like stink your be surprized for a 1600 she will be chasing you up the road

Pud even cleaned it for me it was gleaming when i turned up

And they fixed that H plate we come up yours in in about 3 minutes glat starts and runs like a dream now lol

 

PMSL Dunno last time alex got jelous i got a kiss of mark and ahmed he never He felt left out ha ha

Hows life being a Daddy I hope she has taken that set out the box i got and used it!!! Don't make me come up there and do it my self You can't not open it and keep it for a keep sake I brought it for zara to use! I will tell her what you did when she is older if you don't use it lol

 

Thats why we have quarterly license checks at work, if we cant produce the lisence then you're off driving until you do.

 

We can check licences with DVLA as a service to our customers now - Ł10 per time and frequency is decided by the number of points on each licence - 9 or more and we check quarterly. No more handing over a clean duplicate licence while extra points, bans etc got on the original.

Corporate Manslaughter and other Health & Safety worries mean that in future very few employers are going to want to run the risk of allowing a banned driver to operate a vehicle on company business.

 

thats a ripp off as you can phone dvla and allow access for ya employer ( have to name the prson) to have access to ya licence details at any time

infact the place i hire my vans from also has permision and he charges me the price of the calls, 1 quid

cant belive ya own company charge 10 quid for a job that you have to give them permison to do and its for there benifit

 

When I nearly got banned I got a letter saying that my case has been adjourned and the court are considering banning me and that if I don't turn up for court I should assume that after the court date I am unable to drive so I think they can ban you in your absense.

 

If you avoid going to court , dont they put a warrent out for your arrest ??

 

You should ask him where the Ł20/hr is that he is 'paying' you to do the books mate

 

It's like many things in life - cheaper to do it yourself, but many folks don't want to take on the admin, get the driver to sign the authorisation, chase for the return of the signed forms, spend the time making the calls, figure out what the codes mean. We take on the task and the customer pays the money in return for the service.

No-one has to pay the Ł10 and many don't bother, but some firms see it as money well spent as they can demonstrate that they took proper steps to avoid a potential problem - and if that keeps one of the directors out of prison on a Corporate Manslaughter charge, it is very good value.

 

mate you charge to make a phone call that they could do, its the same as the privae reg firms who sell plates for 40% more than it costs em and all they do is recive the cheque and then buy the plate of dvla and then take the commision


its a rip off service , as for the doing the right steps if anyone in the firm makes a call and its confirmed then whats the difference

bet ya dont explain to all ya customers that all ya gotta do is bell DVLA and requst the info do ya

there is no service being offered there, its not even like the passort check the post office does as they help people who dont know, as for learning all the codes, it again is on dvla's website

its a pointless service


its like someone paying a guy to stand outside his house and take the post off the post man and for him to post it throught the door to garantee it gets delivered, the postman is still the same person

 

FFS - don't buy the bloody service then!

 

hey chill out, i wont, just saying bet ya dont inform ya customers they could do themselve though , as if ya did i bet afew would

 

Actually we do tell them they can do it themselves. Why bother to lie about something like this which actually makes very little money in the scheme of things and then risk upsetting a customer? We aren't selling just the licence check, but the convenience of getting it done, providing electronic reporting and exception reports so any naughties can be spotted very easily, and sharing the risk associated with allowing someone to drive on business.

If someone were to be ran over by a disqualified driver, the natural target for compensation has to be the employer who gave him the keys without ensuring he was qualified to drive. By buying this service the employer can PROVE that he took reasonable precautions.

Many of my customers have from 50 - 3000 vehicles and many of them don't have a dedicated person looking after vehicles so some of them pay us to do it, some do it themselves, some check paper licences from time to time, and some just take their chances.