As you might have read in another thread, my best mates sapphire Cosworth got broken into on Monday night, thankfully the retards couldn't start it, so left it dumped at the bottom of his road. ...

The copper who turned up (who was very helpful and actually interested!)got talking to us, and expressed his frustration that even in the unlikely event they could catch the scum involved (no witnesses,cameras or forensic evidence), if they did manage to put them infront of the courts, that they would be given a slap on the wrists, usually for the umpteenth time, and basically let off. Reading the local rag, the courts section makes for interesting & distressing reading, with examples of TWOC/ theft of a motor vehicle attracting fines of £250 and £35 costs!!!!

The problem being that supposedly prisons are full, so spaces are saved for the worst offenders.

But in my eyes, making crime/theft so unappealing in the first place would have a big impact on offences, and hitting criminals who burgle homes & businesses, and steal cars hard would send a real message out that if you steal, you do time.

IMHO, the very first time you get caught stealing, it should be a 1 year sentance, with no parole. Get caught again, 5 years, no parole. Third time 10 years, etc... If sentances are long enough to make the value of crime totally disproportional, it would cut out a lot of "minor" crimes like motor vehicle theft, burglary etc?

 

They have long sentances for murder, but it still happens

It's a bit of a shitter really, not enough room for them all, but not harsh enough punishment to deter them.

 

Murder is a bit different though IMHO, as it ranges from a pub arguement that goes bad to a pre-planned risk worth taking bumping off, more a crime of circumstance or emotion etc?

Where as theft is usually pre-planned to aviod meeting anyone or oppertunist?

The problem at the moment is that the punishment for getting caught is far far outweighed by the gains?

 

i do not think it would deter them as its all part of the parcel to them and the bennifits out way the risks, also remember alot of cosworths are stolen by pikey's like mine was and the police are not interested even if you catch them red handed as they don't want the hassle it will cause because at the end of the day its just a car to the police.

Pete

 

Look at the US, much higher prison sentences but still 1% of the population are in Jail!

I saw some cop show where some twat teen shot a copper in the arm, he got over 100 years in prison.

 

Prison is not a punishment, its just a holiday camp untill you are released and its not a deterant (sp) at all,i know somebody who did a spell in a cat a prison which are supposed to be the worst, and it was just like being locked in a big commuity centre with pool tables on the landings tvs in all rooms even some had playstations,you could book the gym a few times a week, go get some books from the libaray ect ect
I think they should be made to do work like chain gangs or send them to afganistan

 

You see less crime in Arabic countries though tbh.

Get caught stealing once, they cut your hand off........caught 2nd time, the other one comes off.

Let's face it, you AIN'T gonna get caught a 3rd time are you.

Simple
Effective


Cheap.!!!!!!!!

 

Trouble is that the criminals have the law more or less on their side....e.g.

• They jump over your wall and get injured - you get done for it,

• They break into your house, you defend yourself - you get done.

• They break into your car- get alittle fine for it - when the damage and headache will cost you alot more!

The lack of fear in these scummy people means they don't give a crap, which is even more worrying for us. I often see people trying to check what valuables are left inside cars as they are walking past, this being in broad daylight on a main road. Reported it on a few occassions now but they dont seem to care.

 

I do agree, harsher sentences should defo be inforced, and criminals should actually do their full time. Whats the point of giving someone ten years but then let out on 5 for good behaviour! Its just ridiculous, the police only care about making there goals and making as much monies as they can through catching motorists and forcing fines through, for example, in the sun yesterday; A 69yr old pensioner was on his scooter drunk, one cop asked him to stop he refused and so 8 police turned up!! what the fuck is that about.

And prisons are meant to be a punishment yet the get fed better then people in the NHS, have access to tv's and gyms and pool tables, its just an easy life for people who dont want to make an honest living!

Problem is nothing will ever get done about it, not until they start sending illegal immigrants home when the commit crimes and stop storing them in our prisons, and start actually doing what there figures actually claim, the knife crime thing, get caught carrying a knife and you do 3 years or 7 years, cant remember exactly, but 9 times out of ten they just get let off with a warning.

Anyway rant over, lol could do this all day...

 

Not sure it would actually deter them that much, but I'm all for it.
Less scum on the streets has to be a good thing!

Admittedly it costs to keep ciminals locked up, but at least they wouldn't be claiming benefits/nicking stuff/ruining other peoples' lives!

 

they say there is not enough prison space... why dont we build some more?? Yes it will cost the economy x million of pounds to build them and are not "Financially viable", however at the same time what about the cost all these scumbags are to us honest citizens?

Someone broke into my car and tried stealing it earlier this year - plod werent interested.

Also if they stopped supplying TV's and pool tables to the holiday camp brigade, and gave them hard labour and crap jobs. lets say give them a piece of wire wool and a old sierra hub to clean up - if its not all shiny metal by the morning you dont get fed that day.

and keep on doing that until they either get fed NHS Style slops, or they die from being morons who cant use wire wool.

 

human nature,your never deter a wannabe thieves with a petty sentence unless as already said you go all Arab on their ass.....lol

 

No I don't think the threat of tougher sentences would deter tbh, the way the justice system is run is this cuntry is a fucking farce, take a look at the Baby Peter case, the sentences that slags got was a fucking insult but if you're a mobster earning a few quid and living like the cunts who hang around whitehall chatting bollox do you get big porridge.

take the mp pricks expenseses row, when them fucking thieves get caught its a case of "ooh I made a mistake, I'll give it back" what a load of bollox they are fucking all theives, and what a good example they are setting


Luciano

 

I think that some of the offences should be dealt with by sending them away to the forces instead of giving them a slap on the wrists. Not only does it help the country but it's also more of a deterrent than easy life in a prison.

The system is a joke and simply blaming it on overloaded prisons doesn't cut it.

 

id vote for that idea - and depending on what crime they commited depends what equipment the get issued

Rape - Murder - Peado - Basic camoflage clothes and sent out as front line canon fodder
Burglary - Issue armour and close range weapons (knifes etc - They already have experience) etc etc

 

In the states they have the death penalty, and they have more muders than here.
So its proof that a harsher sentance makes no difference really.

The biggest problem is the total lack of an effective police force for catching anyone other than innocent motorists, it doesnt matter what the sentance is if you know they are too inept to stand a good chance of catching you in the first place

 

no it wont as crime pays for the offender now days

 

Speaking as someone in the Airforce, we simply have not got the manpower or time to babysit these scumbags, and they could not be trusted around any equiptment or information.....

 

And would no doubt cost us a fortune in compensation for all their bad practices too.
Stupid idea in the sort of wars we have these days, but would have been ok back in the time of trench warfare.

 

Suppose we could always send them to Afghan as walking I.E.D detectors

 

So true......

My cousin used to live in Dubai had is laptop fully open on his passenger seat in his car, whereever he went he didn't need to put the laptop away or lock his car doors

 

They should make the punishment fit the crime. Look at those 2 bikers clocked at 145mph, 30 days in jail. Then watch Police Camera Whatnot and you find some oik guilty of burglary/assault, theft of the car, no lisence etc etc etc rams police cars in an attempt to get away and they get a comunity order and fined £50 makes my piss boil

 

No. America has the highest sentences and the highest crime rate. Tough sentencing is not a deterrent.

The way to reduce crime is to make society more equal. Higher tax for the rich, better support for the poor.

Japan - most equal society in terms of difference between rich and poor and lowest crime rate.

 

And the failure of the prison system here makes society worse. The best way of turning a non-violent offender into a violent offender is to send him to prison. Which we are doing in larger numbers every year.

Charlie

 

what will they cut off?



Did the bikers harm anyone? didn't think so, so why did they go to prison Where's the logic

 

I was thinking more along the lines of the Army dodging bullets

 

Japan in general has a far higher level of respect for others though. It's just part of how the country works.

 

Fuck that!
There's already far too many people sponging off the taxpayer because they can't be fucked to work... why encourage it by giving them more moeny/benefits etc?

 

Should have Thief Tattoo on forehead.... No hiding from it then

or a finger off for a crime, again no hiding... The only issue would be if persistant enough will be on benefit street in no time as cannot work with no hands and will need home help lol

 

Goolies first, stop them fucking breeding

 

rahh rahh rahh immigrants blah blah blah tax payer grrrr bring back hanging and so on


i havnt even read the post but im guessing this thread contains alot of this lol

 

Well why bother to reply then? Fool

 

Damn right there should be harsher penalties! And ultimately prison should be somewhere that once you've been you NEVER wanna go back. It shouldn't be about reformation, more about humiliation!!

Quite simply when I was younger and acted the bollocks my old man would give me a smack with the slipper. If he'd of just said I was naughty and not to do it again I sure as shit would've! But when you get a smack and know the next time you'll get your ass proper tanned, you learn quickly not to do it again.......

 

I got this as a text message before.....


Another great day!
Been down the Gym, had a nice hot shower and just picked up a bottle of home brew off my neighbour for this afternoon. I have got a few spliffs rolled up ready for tonights X Box tournament with the lads, tomorrow I think I will go online and watch some porn after a bit of online gambling ..... I love Prison!

Pretty much sums it up really.

No before you I ask I have never been inside but my cousin (who is only 22) has been inside 3 times and doesn't give a shit because inside he has got more qualifications than at school / college.

 

Was watching some traffic cops or similar program the other night, some cunt nicked a yaris from a 95 year old bloke and took it for a joyride. They caught him and all he got was a £40 fine. Fucking rediculous.


IMO the first time they should get prison, 2nd time they get taken round the back and shot.

 

in my opinion its not hard enough, if it is murder then it should be the death penalty with in 24hrs of sentencing he should be in a wooden box .if you get caught for burglary or theft give then hard labour on the chain gang .if its gbh then it should be an eye for an eye .if its fraud then they should pay back every penny with interest if that means they loose every thing to do that so be it ,& they should do time to

 

the problem with that is the twats will claim disability

 

just wondering how long ago that was as now adays its more the prison's don't have the staff so the in mates are locked up more and its only going to get worse thanks to our new PM, they will not give tougher sentences as they are closing jails, moth balling plans for new ones so where are we going to put these people.

Car Crime pays at the end of the day.

Pete

 

Some interesting things here, such as murder someone get the death penalty, didn't we have that before, yes thought so, and weren't INNOCENT people hung just to have some bent coppers confess all years later, I wouldn't trust the cops, neither would me best mate and he is a cop(traffic cop).
I'd love to know where these cushy prisons are, I've been inside 5 times, and don't regret whaty got me there for an instance, and given the same circumstances would do the same again, but I've yet to see these "perks" lifers may get a bit but not everyone.
The trouble is if you start punishing harshly you breed hate towards society/police which will make the offender worse and worse each time.
FACT you can still calim certain benefits whilst in prison, as I did every time, as well as earning money whilst in prison.
Food better than NHS, what a crock of shit, I spent 19 months in hospital in one go so know about the food, awsome really really good I'd say, prison food is shite, you have to rake the mash with your fork before you eat it, as some like to put glass in it, some piss in the tea urn etc, chips are reheated every day, we used to use ours as "weapons" throwing them at each other they were like darts !!.
I think the disparity between the rich poor which is widening doesn't help, neither do the 2 different sets of laws, those who are poor/average and all the super paid such as MP's, some should have gone to prison, why do coppers have thier own prison in/near leeds, if they've done thr crime then surely same prison as the rest.
A lot in prison shouldn't be there, surveys show nearly 1/3 have psychiatric ilnesses, yet they are punished!!, this is because of sucessive govs shutting correct facilities for them, this makes them worse.
In prison you are not able to get certain medicines, doesn't matter if your condition needs that medicine, if it's not on the list you don't get it, my own DR, DR Kalaria also is the prison DR at HMP Norwich, as well as being the sas scheme DR, so I know from him things have not changed.
I was caught by a copper throwing water at cars, I was about 11, stupid thing to do, the copper gave me a choice take me to my parents, court martial etc or wash all the cars at the police station every saturday for 4 weeks, for free,(money was donated by the car owners to charity), the difference, this was in Germany, copper said as I liked water that much he would "help me".
I've never respected cops so much saw them as friends unlike uk.
tabetha

 

i've not read all the replies so if i'm reposting then sorry, but

IMO i think the last government missed an opportunity for votes somewhere along the line... instead of bailing banks out to the tune of millions and millions they could have spent some of that money on building new prisons and at the same time put a lot of the unemployed construction trades from the moth balled housing sites that had closed down, back into work,

people back in jobs with money coming in, spending it in their local comunity therefore keeping retailers ticking over, builders merchants getting their falling cashflow sorted, and then the government could have had a zero tolerence on things like knife crime... anyone caught with a knife in their pockets gets 6 weeks in jail,


there you go, the country out of the recession and a government fighting crime and maybe a little bit more popular at the same time...sometimes i think i'm in the wrong job lol.