Hi all, Has anyone done the above conversion?

I have a 99 Escort Estate 1.6 Zetec runabout, done the rims, suspension etc, but man does it need more go!

I have heard that with the right ECU, a 2.0 Mondeo silver top goes straight in, is this true?

If not, what is involved?

Your advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Weeksy

 

yeah, use your escorts sump, oil pickup and waterpump though. then it's a basic engine swap. you can run it on a 130spec xr3i ecu as the 2 litre one doesn't use external edis like your escorts loom and ecu is set up for.

 

Hello matey,

Thanks for the reply dude.

Does all the loom plug in as before then? Is the XR3i ECU a striaght swap and plug straight in then?

What's the external EDIS matey?

Other than the ECU, it's all stright in, manifolds,clutch, piping etc

Thanks

Weeksy

 

you'll need 2 litre injectors and throttle body but using your escort manifolds, thermostat, alternator, flywheel and clutch, rad etc. basically use everything from the escort except 2.0 block, head, injectors n throttle body and 130spec ecu.

edis controls spark, if you use a 2 litre ecu it has the edis inside it so the loom is different to an escorts which will have a plug for edis module (on bulkhead or inner wing). You could swap to a mondeo loom and use the 2litre ecu but theres no point really as the 130 spec ecu has a better advance curve.

you might need to adjust fuel pressure a bit to get fuelling spot on, but thats easy with lamda, guage and fuel pressuse regulator off an xr2i 8v or an fse valve.

 

I hope to get the inlet and injectors with the engine, so all good on that front. Am I right in assuming downpipe fits onto 2 lt ex manifold?
Any particular year 130ps XR3i ECU?

Agredd, doesn't seem much point changing all the loom for that reason if what is there is all good! Is the factory fuel pressure not enough then, I would ahve thought they were pretty much the same?

Thanks for all your help fella,much appreciated.

Weeksy

 

i was thinking about doing that conversion on my car and thats helped me out a lot cheers

 

when new, factory fuel pressures should be *about* the same (2.7bar-ish) at idle, but depending on your existing fuel systems age, wear and tear, and the fact that you're fitting new but second hand injectors, and a new but second hand ecu from another different car, you "may" have to fiddle a bit. a slight raise to 3 bar will increase throttle response anyway.

use your escort zorst manifold and downpipe, a 2 litre one is routed differently, as the sump is different and the downpipe goes thru the cutout in the sump. look at removing the EGR system while it's all off. another easy extra 10bhp. you can buy plugs, use bolts and loktite, or weld up the holes.

It should fly when done mate, good luck, any problems... HOLLER!

 

Thanks for all your help fella, much appreciated.

I hear you on the exhasut front, and to top it all off, mine hasn't got EGR that I know of!!

Nice one matey

Weeksy

 

Last question!

What do i do regarding the inlet system? Do I use the Mondy air intake hose and Air flow meter and airbox, or the orig Escort one? The intake pipe and AFM looks far bigger than my 1600 one...

Thanks

 

get a k+ n and use the bigger afm

get stuck in!

 

I will grab the 2.0 AFM, but was going to keep the airbox to keep it all looking stock and quiet!

This is my Cossie parts hauler!!

Think I will use mondy flywheel and clutch, ok with my box?

Thanks for all your help dude

Weeksy

 

mondy flywheel dont fit in bellhousin iirc. 130spec one doesnt for sure, you can also use an efi xr3i cvh one though which uses the bigger clutch... 1.6 airbox will strangle a 2litre. at least get a k&N panel filter.

no worries

 

I will stick with the std one then! Any idea what size the std one is?
May just get an uprate plate of something then...

Oh defo a panel, have just fitted one when I serviced it all a few weeks back

Thanks fella

Weeksy

 

clutch? 200 or 220mm, 200 for the 1600zetec, 220 for mondy and efi cvh i think. tis is the bit ive never bothered with tho as the flywheels i use come with a good clutch so no need to measure. shudnt have any problems unless you go chuckin 200+bhp thru it tho.

 

Sweet dude, I only changed the clutch on this kiddie recently, so would be nice just to unbolt clutch and flywheel ansd chuck it on the 2 litre... Sure enough, will never be a 200 bhp beast, I would be over the moon with 140 - 150bhp. Might even treat it to a 4 branch!

Cheers

Weeksy

 

should be around 150 with just the breathing mods if its in good nick!

 

What sort of breathing mods are you talking of here dude?
Surely not just with K&N Panel filter and 130 ECU ? Blimey, this the conversion, and extra 60 brake for a few hundred quid!

 

2 litre is 136brake standard, k&n, exhaust and no egr should see 150ish. definately 150 if de-catted. a 130 spec 1.8 gets to 145 with zorst and filter.

It is the way forward, i know of people spending a couple of grand to get rs2k engine n box fitted and a 2l zetec will cost under 200 for the bare engine then its just a couple of bits from the breakers and it fits and works well with your old box

 

So other than the ECU, the AFM, an a few air intake pipes, what other bits do I need to transfer the lump in one go?

 

I think you are expecting too much bhp for your mods. It is not that simple. A standard 2ltr ZETEC on TBs, 4 branch, no cat and on aftermarket management will only get 165ish BHP.

Y

 

A'm doing the exact conversion as the @Weeksy.

So what do you think, will i reach 150 BHP with this:

1. De-cat
2. Removing EGR system
3. 4-2-1 exhaust manifold
4. K&N panel air filter in original Escort box
5. Full 2.0 management (injectors, ECU, MAF)

The base is 136 BHP...but i will use standard original camshafts..i hope this is OK for 150BHP

What about gearbox? Will my IB5 from 1.6 fit straight on 2.0? I will also use 1.6 flywheel and clutch.
And will my IB5 handle 150 BHP, or will brake apart?

 

To be honest fella, if it makes 140 horses I will be chuffed to bits! My only concern is getting the ECU bit right, as I have now found a mint low mileage engine to throw in there.

Is my 99 Escort Finesse PATS, or non PATS? It has no red dot on the key as I am told it should.

Therefore do I just need an early Non PATS 130 ECU with the same colour plug as mine?

Thanks

Weeksy

 

thats the one, don't think your car is pats, I have a 98 finesse that isn't.

even if your car is/was pats enabled, replacing the ecu with a non pats one it'll just run without pats... no swapping ign barrels, locks etc...

IB5 with 1600 flywheel and clutch will easy hold 150bhp. As with any gearbox and clutch, you'll kill it if you try but don't try. lol.

 

Hi matey,
Turns out my car is PATS, has the little red dot on the back of the key never noticed it!
I got the pre PATS ECU at the weekend.
I thought that would be the case to be honest. Cool, it's a fresh clutch, so fingers crossed! Is it a 200mm clutch?
I won't!

 

Cool mate, if you want to check the ecu is all good then plug it into your loom now before you start. The car should fire up and run pretty much as normal.
I think it's 200mm yeah

 

I think I will plug the ecu in over the weekend and see how it goes.
If the ECU is a good one, (and I am told it is) it will all work as per the original?! My car has the same grey plug, so should physically plug in no problems
Fingers crossed!
Should be ok with 200mm......

 

Should fire your 1600 up fine yeah, it won't be spot on, but you'll know if it's a good ecu or not.

If you can't get it running right, or if they sold you the wrong ecu etc, (it should be fine) I might have the thing for you, mappable piggyback chip for zetec ecu's. Got it for my 3i but am going a different route now. It has a zetec turbo map loaded on it atm but can be re-written infinite times, so if you went for TB's, cams, nos, forced induction etc you can re-map it.

Got the part no on the ecu checked to make sure it is the right one?

 

theres a few tutorials here:

http://www.escortevolution.co.uk/for...p?showforum=12

on ecu wiring too

 

Sweet,
Will try that after Crimbo.
I checked the part number beforehand, yep, it's a Pre PATS 130ps Escort ECU from a 93 car...
Worth considering...
Will have a look at sorting something out for the exhaust - not easy on estate.....may get a hatch one modded with the tailpipe hidden to keep it subtle.
I'm going to order a new oil pump, water pump and belt tomorrow- guess these will be 1600 items.....

If I don't don't post again soon, Have a great xmas and thanks for all your advise, much appreciated

Weeksy

 

sorted mate, hopefully you'll have no bother then as for the exhaust, get a better backbox, and have the middle box and cat replaced with normal pipe.

 

oh and merry chrimbo to you too!

 

Hi Dude,
Noone does decent rear boxes, and I wanted to keep this one subtle, so will keep the tailpipe hidden for full effect I think. You reckon go for stright pipe fro middle section then?

 

basically all you need engine wise is the 2.0l block and head.
then you strip all parts off the escort block and head and swap them over including all pumps/ brackets/ covers flywheel.
220mm flywheel on your car the same as rst's.
the 240mm mondeo one only fits in the mtx bot which is shit gearbox, too notchy.
as for inlet manifold, if you have the alloy item you will need the 130 spec manifold with HO stamped on it and throttle body.
if you have the plastic one you will need the 1.8 inlet with 2.0l throttle

 

Any news on it bud?

 

I have done nothing more than move the engine and associated parts around in the garage!

I have stripped off the brackets, clutch and flywheel and all the manifolds...

I was planning on using the 1.6 plastic inlet with the 2 litre TB and air flow meter. injectors and fuel rail. I have checked, and the throttle body fits ok, which is good! The 1.8 / 2.0 inlets are the same and both have the grotty EGR crap, which I obviously can't / wont use!
I don't think the ports on the 1600 plastic inlet are any smaller than the 18/2.0 versions..

If the clutch is 220m, that should be ok then I guess....

Thanks for all the info

Weeksy

 

Right, all in and plumbed up, and happy with everything on it.

Only issue is the fact it won't do anything with the 130PS ecu, ONLY the standard one! Tried another ECU that fires up a friends car, but not mine!!

Won't even crank car over, so guessing it's something to do with the PATS?

Running it on the 1.6 ECU seems punchy low down, but nothing up the rev range, so would like to get it sorted!

Alternative is I get the 1.6 ECU remapped at great cost I am sure!!

Please help!!

Thanks

Weeksy

 

Or do i go the 2.0 ECU way, that requires a bit of wire switching in the ECU plug? These not PATS ones don't seem easy to come by..

Please advise!

Thanks

Weeksy

 

2.0 pre pats engine loom then matey. You'll need to take new ignition live feeds and stuff but it'd not the end of the world. Don't give it right boot on the 1.6 ecu. You'll fuck it.