foreigneRS

if you've set yourself up as a professional mapper, why not use professional mappers software? not something downloaded off the internet and available to anybody with a pc running DOS and a chip burner off ebay

and it's weber for fuck's sake again, it would not inspire confidence in me that someone mapping an ecu didn't even know who it was made by

mechanic28

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corr this thread is getting boring now lol talk about going round and round,but it has a hold over me that i just have to keep reading it

crazycage

then there was morph's escort rs turbo that EP mapped and told the poor sod it was just over 300hp.
he then went to a shoot out at brunts with fast ford and was pulling 90mph terminals on the 1/4 mile!!

Carlos-Titx

mechanic28

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tunnnneee!!!!

750hp escos

The soft ware is a whole load of stuff done by terry dury racing and all the rights are owned by ahmed!!

We have never down loaded anything from internet or bought anything to do with this of ebay..

Also the chip burner you are talking about is called a data man!!!lol..


If you can use the soft ware and modify or build new maps using it then that qualifies you to be called what ever you like!!! the end result is the same!!ffs!!

This is tedious trying to explain things to people that know certain things but have never done this with first hand experience..

We have like iv said a 1000 times 100s and 100 s of maps that have all been used by ahmed teryy dury,tommy field ,joe stevens,msd,tony man cock,harvey akmongst many more all on our pc!!!

If we need a map for something we will roughly fit one as abase and then trim it to work..

If there is no det and the afr is good and the car makes good power and everything is working as it should then the car has a good safe map on it!!

Thats all that matters here..you can go on about the top line and break points all day but it isnt relivant unless youve checked the said map against the said engine spec..

Thats why its waffle because one neither you or chip have done the same exercise and you certainly didnt do this one!!

You are all speculating and the ones that want to listen to tony are and the others are still on the fence or waiting for some proper evidence...


cheers danny

750hp escos

It was morph who said he had 300 hp not any one else!!

On the old maha it came out at 278 with high boost,he then asked for the boost to be turned down as it was to much for him!!!!lol

The maha compared to the dd rr was around 10-15% out over reading and being pretty use less!!

So in reality on high boost probably around 250 hp on the lower setting he was using more like 210-220..

FFs mate you want to grow up and get in a mans car!! how old are you now??still driving gay wheel drive turds!!



cheers danny

crazycage

our pc !!!!!!!! nuff said.

750hp escos

We had two one of which i can still use??? whats so confusing???we always have one with the lot on there to back up..


cheers danny

crazycage

we always have two? so you were part of EP.

750hp escos

Are you silly or something??or just never read anything on this before?or even read this very thread properly??

I helped luke to the point of being around all the time and even the stuff he used to do all the mapping etc used to be mine before luke even started ep..

It doent bother me if you think i was ep or not but the facts are that luke owned and run ep i just helped and acted as a spokes man on here..

You find one person that went to ep and actaullt dealt with me when it came to paying or organizing payment??


You wont find one!!thats because i did talk to many people about specs and set ups etc etc but i never organized payment or had anything to do with money as tbh it wasnt down to me..

Also i did all this as luke use to store and look after my race car with whatever it needed as a thank you for helping him..

Another thing if we were so useless how do you think we built such a rapid well built track car that apart from a wheel falling off and a clutch going nothing went wrong with??

Over 600 hp that went round track very well and was built from a bare chassis and mapped from scratch(no base map)on life racing f88 ecu!!

A lot of people with cars of that spec pay a lot of money for a tuner or race car builder to build but us useless cowboys built it and ragged it for 5 years!!

Its now going to be bigger and better albeit with some out side help from others this time due to not being 100% committed my self any more or with as much help from luke...


cheers danny

It's Czech Mate

its fairly simple mapping a track car as long as WOT is covered as thats where it spends most of its time

Hardly a demonstration of awesome mapping prowess now is it?

If it purrs at idle from cold on a frosty morning at startup and also copes with 120 degrees F ambients in a hot summer then yeah great but we wont know that

crazycage

maybe if you and the other cowboy put half as much effort into your customers cars that you put into your own then this thread wouldnt be here.

botters

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i cant say i understand fully all the stuff about ignition timing, break points etc.. i have a decent understanding but not good enough to mapa car myself from scratch
but one thing i can say is that due to his pettyness and name calling when challenged with a serious and viable question about mapping i personally will never ever use danny for anything to do with a car, your attitude stinks and you are very childish in your replys

foreigneRS

you take everything so literally...

don't try and make out that the software you have is anything special. i have a copy here that's been floating about for years being swapped on floppy disks back in the day.

i'm not necessarily saying that your copy was downloaded from the internet, but one could download it tonight if one wanted.

i'm also not necessarily saying that your eprom programmer was bought off ebay, but they certainly can be for a few quid, so again it's something that any tom, dick or harry could set themselves up to do.

i've got several copied chips here as well, whoop di do. does that make me any better at mapping because i've had access to other people's work and copied it? no, just like it doesn't make me a musician if i have load of mp3s.

like i said before, i made a utility to allow easier editing of maps and break points than is possible with the TDR software and have used that to make changes to maps and burn them to chips for my own use. i think that makes me qualified enough to talk about it with some authority, but i wouldn't ever dream of selling them under the guise of being a professional mapper.

i was also involved in developments with RPLabs that have led to products and services that Stu is now selling that go way beyond what the original weber hardware and associated software were ever designed to do, so i do know a little bit about some of this stuff

that is true to some extent, and as you say yourself, people who didn't want to pay or wait for a professional map might well be happy with that kind of attitude and service, but i wouldn't.

750hp escos

Firstly the thread was about baffles and turned into shit against us because tony is specualting and not even coming up with any eveidence and even the evidence he has shown no one has said can be a definitive answer to if it was the cause of steves engine failure..

Also luke has put his hands up to the few people he did let down so ther than that everyones car had as much detail and attention as mine did and were actually always done before my own car..

First of all i dont run a tuning company and havnt for a while i just helped luke and friends and some people who still come to me as in person and with the right respect given im actually a very easy bloke to get on with as many would vouch for..

When you get the same old people knocking you and one of your mates down when they have no real evidence too and havnt even met you or know your talents you get put on the back foot and when im the back foot i get defensive and will stand my ground no matter what!!


If you never want to talk to me or ask for help in any way thats fine mate but dont slate me or try putting me down with out even knowing me or il just be petty and silly and awkward towards you too!! its human nature!!

Another thing too..i /luke have both been answering as many questions as honestly as poss and have nothing to hide and thats what makes this even more annoying!!



cheers danny

botters

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its not entirely a knock at you as a person per se, as like you say i dont know you personally maybe you are a fantastic guy and we would get on great
its just the way you have come across on here would not inspire me as a customer to use your services now or in the future

750hp escos

Great !! and very valid points!!!lol


We have had all this soft ware for years too so what is your point??

Like i said luke was running a business and doing good satisfying maps for people all of the time so why make out it was being done in a back yard r that just about anyone could do it??

Stupid statements and comments unless you can actualy say yourself for sure the map was to blame!!


The service provided was one that worked and i can honestly say that this is the only case that has come to light when it comes to a cossie that luke mapped on webber..

But oh shock horror apart from this one where another tuner is blaming another tuner for a poor map!!! never heard that before ah??lol


You can have your opinion of course but why point the finger towards someone when your opinion is the same as the other negative ones and all that is is speculation???

Your another one on here that from day one always picked on something me or luke were involved in if negative of course..also another one that was made welcome to come down for a cuppa and a meet up but declined!! funny that!!


cheers danny

750hp escos

Mate im not offering a service any more so not interested in that in any sense and i ahve plenty of friends so if you dont like me then fine too,all im doing is sticking up for luke when i believe him and his map isnt to blame..

If i come accross horrid then thats just because its hard to battle through all the shit and waffle on here sometimes



cheers danny

botters

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well good on you for sticking up for your mate but its quite clear from the postings on here that while the map isnt 100% to blame for the breakdown it is quite clear that it was a poor map

andy888

so mike rainbirds engine blew up as the fpr pipe came off but moonstones dump valve pipe came off?

that correct?

botters

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mikes fuel pressure regulator pipe came off, moonstones dump valve pipe came off

mechanic28

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not being funny but this is getting pointless nothing will be proved for 100% lets just move on,some people will use tony and stick to him me being one and others will use and stick to danny its all down to personal choice and on your own experiences with a tuner so thats that

750hp escos

Thats the whole point mate a poor map is one that doesnt perform well or one that blows an engine up..

There are so many variants..

This map when done by luke performed well and made the right numbers with the right afr etc etc..

so when people come on here blaming this and blaming that the neutral like your self who doesnt really understand thinks well if it was to blame or not id never get luke to map my car as its a poor map anyway!!

There has now been a few very knowledgeable people looking at this thread now and apart from the negative speculating ones not one has said its most defiantly the map that was the cause..

All you have to know when leaving a map on the car is as iv said before

as long as everything is working as it should and there isnt det with a good afr and nice power then it is a good map full stop..


cheers danny

andy888

ye thats what i meant! corrected.

so 2 totally different consequences then?

mechanic28

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and i also wont like to add that luke dont need this right now judging by what he has put up and what he is going through fair play for him even to bother re joining and putting a point across but i feel enough is enough now as its going no where and doing no one any favours imho

750hp escos

All it is doug is when we leave it like yesterday evening for example all the band wagon jumpers were on here getting the knife in so need to stick up for me/luke

I want to prove to the best of my ability that lukes map wasnt bad..


cheers danny

botters

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while i dont fully understand the entire ins and outs of mapping a car danny, which is why i have not myself blamed the map i am not saying i dont have a full understanding of what can or cant cause det or what is and isnt a good map, i have been around modifying cars for 15 or so years, two of which have involved me running my own business ive also spent many years building engines ranging from a simple cvh to the latest version of the bmw m5 so like to think i know a thing or two
and when presented with the facts on lukes map and the way it was almost a guesstimate as to what fuel and ignition to use at higher rpm due to not inputting the max boost level and/or not using the correct map sensor then in my eyes and probably others it is a poor map that could have been made a lot better

i also sympathise with luke, i dont know you but as you have posted you have been through a lot fair play and chin up to you,
but i myself have been through bad things in life (i wont go into them here) but i have never let them effect my working life, if people are paying me for a service i will give them a 100% as what i am going through is not their problem.
but i guess people handle things differentley and i am not trying to judge you for that

botters

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would probably end in the same sort of outcome just the fpr pipe being off would cause symptoms a lot quicker

750hp escos

I repect what your saying but your still reading between the lines because the 3 bar map is still the map sensor of choice when mapping with webber so you are wrong to think its the wrong map sensor..

Secondly the top line is only wrong if the car sees det there which it didnt..

Its not a bad map unless it did cause damage which it has not imo


cheers danny

flannigan

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just chatting to my brother and the guy who bought his mk2 harrier took it to ep to swap the 120bhp 1600 crossflow for a st170 engine conversion on weber 45's he waited 3 months and then got the car back can anyone guess how much power it made ?

botters

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please tell me it made more than 120 bhp lol

Moonstone Steve.

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Steve

750hp escos

Yeah i know chris well even wnt to school with him..

He provided the wrong carbs and couldnt afford the right ones..he got 150 hp and then later put throttle bodies on it to get 170 ish hp..

Your point???lol


Why metion something you dont know the full details on??

And just to add he supplied all parts for the build that did take around 3 months as he paid as he went along and didnt have a big budget..


cheers danny

botters

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are they at the wheel figures danny? if so they are not bad really considering wrong carbs being fitted as a lot of st170's when new were known for having less (sometimes considerably) than 140 at the wheels as standard

750hp escos

All the st 170s we see on the dyno actaully made around 150-155 at the flywheel as they are stated as 170 fly..

It did like 148 with the wrong carbs and later fitted throttle bodies and achieved 170 something at fly..

An engine will only make what an engine will make and because he was un happy with the power the dd gave he got some one else to do the tb conversion and spen a fortune to get only 25 hp more


cheers danny

botters

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ford were pretty generous with there power claims on a lot of the fords around that time lol, they also have been very generous with their top speeds for most of the cars they have ever built lol

Rebuilding 2012

Oh god usual pf thread off track TOTALY . Danny thank you for trying to put the point accross .. To all others ask yourselfs why pictures of the pistons have not been posted as a final fuck u to me ???? Still full of speculation and crap ... Ps Chris mk2 was afr not me and as for mapping cars , god so many experts why are you all not mapping !! Leave this to a fair debate the results and recompense have been offered if proved so leave it to the peeps that actually no without bias !

Benni

Can you map a track car?

Benni

flannigan

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