godrikki

i have a fiesta 1.6 si with a 2 litre zetec.how do i go about changing the logbook does the car need an engineers report or an sva test or something along these lines.doing this coz i dont want to invalidate my insurance i know most people will think im crazy to change it and not take the cheaper insurance but if someone else crashes into me then im up the creek with no paddle any help would be appreciated

Adam.

Rac or engineers report, engine number of new engine written on logbook send both to dvla---sorted

godrikki

thanks mate much appreciated

Adam.

No probs fella, all they do is check the brakes are sufficient for the engine etc, but the dvla wont change it untill they have the report

http://www.car-inspection.co.uk/car_inspection_home.htm

i used these guys, couldnt do enough for me EXTREMELY HELPFULL, and A1 service

focusv8

You don't need a report for DVLA just fill in details on V.5

Unless it's changed recently.

Then notify your insurance, they may want a Report.

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Adam.

INCORRECT i have an letter here from when i tried it, trust me you do

focusv8

I changed mine from 1600 to 5000 with no problems.

Seems it has changed;

Change to engine and cylinder capacity (engine size)
DVLA will need written evidence of any changes to engine number and cylinder capacity (cc). Written evidence can be:

• a receipt for the replacement engine
• written evidence from the manufacturer
• an inspection report provided for insurance purposes
• written confirmation on headed paper from a garage if the change in engine size took place before you bought the vehicle

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Rs1

iTrader: (1)

Yep thats what i done, sent it off as a 1600, came back as a 2000.
Insurnace weren't arsed about a report they just had it down as modified with a massive list for agreed value purposes.

Adam.

WTF lol, they gave me loadsa aggro! BASTARDS!

Mark V8

iTrader: (2)

I just sent off the log book with the new engine number telling them it had changed from 2000cc to 5000cc and it came back no problems.
Not that the engine is fitted yet I've heard some bad things about some kind of 'super' MOT for modified cars and got the paperwork sorted first.

Mark

wide ka

that what i did with mine, no issues

bennzy

I've put a frst engine in a 1.1 wanna change logbook who best for insurance as I just seem to be gettin my pants pulled down thanks

Shonky

Apparently they've started asking for proof recently 2 years ago I changed mine from 1.3 to 3.0 from just filling in the v5, changed my mrs' Ka from 1.3 to 1.6 recently and they wanted a receipt of purchase, engine number and a letter from a garage/RAC to confirm that engine is in there, no one would say they have a bigger engine (and pay more tax) if they didn't have one so I don't see the point, billy bullshitter would have to reach an all time low to prove to his mates he has a 15 litre engine in his corsa lol

rs combi

did mine a few years ago on the van just filled in and sent off the log book

looks like im going to have fun when i swap mine over this time

phil_focus

i didnt realise with an engine change you had to notify the dvla, thought you just had to tell the insurance company as a mod.

also how does it affect the tax and emmisions come mot time? is it based on when the engine was manufactured and therefore the new tax bracket is calculated by enigne size if before march 2001 and emmisions if post march 2001?????

Mark V8

iTrader: (2)

It is a major pain in the bum to get the cc changed now

This is the letter I got back when trying to change the engine size on my Sierra.



The DVLA employees are just mindless robots following a strict set of rules.

Show them exactly what they want to see.

A receipt on headed garage paper.

Engine fuel type.

Engine size (don't be too specific as they only like round numbers!)

Date of manufacture of the engine

I finally got my log book back after complying with these rules

Mark

focusv8

MOT emmisions aren't the same ones used for Tax purposes.
Tax emmisions are calculated by the manufacturer and declared, they can't be done on a car that's had an engine change.
I'd guess if you use a post 2001 low tax car and put a post 2001 engine in the Tax will revert to pre 2001 on engine size
The MOT emmisions are definitely engine or body year related, whichever is the oldest.
So 2005 engine in 1998 body = 1998 emmisions.
My year 2000 Focus has a pre 1993 engine in, so will be MOT'd at pre 1993 emmisions, when I eventually get it on the road...


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Mark V8

iTrader: (2)

Have you done a build thread ?

Would be nice to se the pics

Mark

phil_focus

i knew that, thought they may use the manufacturers figures for the newer engine if post 2001 but didnt know really sure. from you next sentence though it seams they revert to going on engine size which i guess makes things easier.

nice bit of info there, sort of sets my mind at rest for the future when i will hopefully be putting a lightly tuned ford 302 windsor v8 into a mk3 capri. want to make a capri that ford should have made as a proper english rival to the mustang. really want to do it to a 280 aswell 8)

focusv8

I started first by putting a 5.0 (302) in my Focus but already it's changed to a 331 (5.5) stroker and it's still not on the road..
Possible problem is I notified engine change as 5.0

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phil_focus

bet thats sounds nice when its running. you've changed the capacity mate so going to have to do it all over again now

the capri will be mainly a road car though i do want to take it drag racing which is about the only motorsport its gonna be any good at, will be shit on the corners so i want it to have the leather interior of the capri 280 but with lightly uprated suspension, bigger brakes up front and discs on rear. will prob need a pressure reducing valve in the rear brake lines to ballance the braking better and a line lock in the front brake lines to lock the fronts for great big dirty burnouts though these will have to be custom mounted in the car as i don't want to cut about the dash and want a completely factory look. will prob have to mount it to a t5 gear box come to think of it.

god i need a job to get saving for this project!!

focusv8

I've also got a working 5.0 in my Mustang I could "Borrow"..come MOT time, Not than anyone can tell a 302 from a 331 externally.

You'll be needing an 8.8 axle on your shopping list as well.

They look like this in a Focus;

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/06...t=IMG_0845.jpg



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phil_focus

no you certainly cant tell the difference by looking at them...unless of course you read the number on the block

will oh, bugger! was hoping to keep the rear end as oe as possible. mind you there was little chance of that happening with an estimated 350bhp and 350 ftlb torque

will be looking into that now, thanks for the heads up.

phil_focus

just seen the pic and i've shit a brick its NOTHING like a standard capri axle!!

take it its off a mustang? which year? any other axles that are strong enough? would like a live axle with lsd of some kind for obvious reasons but i wanted to try and keep the leaf springs in the back too for that factory look.

guess i'm going to have to beef up the chassis too at this rate

focusv8

302 and 331 use the same block with the same bore.
331 has an engine number relating to a 5.0
331 just has a longer throw crank and longer rods and some notches at the bottom of the bore to stop the crank catching.

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focusv8

later 8.8 is tracloc (l.s.d) same as both of mine

Mine is coilover but in the Mustang it came from and my Mustang both (1988) they mount on trailing arms.
You can mount an 8.8 on leaf springs as well.
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phil_focus

sod it then if the numbers are the same the only way to tell is strip it down and measure it.

will have to have a look into this mustang rear end then, should be plenty of spares, rebuild kits and disk conversion kits availible too then possibly mount to stiffer capri leef springs if they make such a thing. then tweek the ride hight with different shackles if needed as the standard 280 stance is perfect in my eyes.

thanks for the inf mate, this project isnt going to be even started for a year if not two so got plenty of time to research it and source parts. stage one will be finding a good solid base then stripping it down and finding any hidden areas of rot and fixing it up so its in perfect condition to accept the beefy running gear.

any chance a mustang prop shaft will fit?

just gone through some of your other photos of your build, abslutely awsome project well done mate!! that engine is going to be putting out some serious power and torque with that blower on it too, gonna be one seriously quick awsome fun focus 8)

bj928

focusv8 you might be interested in this, its the kugal demo v8 focus in America, went and had a test drive many years back, i have loads of photos if i can get them off my crashed hard drive, they put it up on the 2 post and let me take loads of pic so i could see how it was done.

focusv8

I used some of the Kugel parts

That's me on there West Coast supplier website some time ago.....

http://www.ford-v8-focus.com/Gallery.html

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phil_focus

can a cosworth clutch be used on th 302 monted to the t5??

ay others that are man enough for the job but don't carry the cosworth tax?

focusv8

Cos T5

or U.S.A T5

phil_focus

cos t5 as its prob easier to get hold of in this country.

do usa do a manual t5 or am i showing that i dont have a clue and just asuming they all run bloody auto??...i hate auto

Mark V8

iTrader: (2)

US T5 boxes have imperial splines and Cossie T5's have metric splines

Info and prices towards the bottom of this page.

http://www.realsteel.co.uk/section2b.pdf

Mark

phil_focus

ah, cheers mate this aint gonna be as straight forward as i thought

still will make it all the more worth while

will take a look at the link now

bortaf

Not a big deal just knock up headed letter on the PC similar to this



done it loads of times

Mark V8

iTrader: (2)

You are a very naughty boy

Give them what they want and your log book comes back

Mark

bortaf

Naught and slightly richer, i charge the local "yoofs" a tenna a letter to sort thier engine changes out with the DVLA
If a jobs worth doing it's worth charging more for