Redkop

Are the postal workers wasting their time by striking?

TIFF

I think they have a good point to stike tbh........

Look how much the whole country relies on them.

Same as the Fire Service......Underpaid for what they do imho

Ian M

sometimes you have no choice but to fight for what you believe in.

Redkop

I see it as pointless, they aren't going to sway anything. It won't save the alleged 40k jobs that'll be going when Royal Mail modernises the system.... which it needs to do, if it is to survive.

cossie04

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Royal Mail hide behind the word `Modernisation`, what they really mean is unprecedented cuts in jobs, services, pay and conditions. Postal workers are facing over 40,000 job losses, major attacks on their pensions and retirement age and continuous attacks aimed at reducing their pay by 25% over the next 4 years.

As far as the public are concerned, we will have less reliable and later deliveries, over 2,000 post offices closures, significantly reduced week day collections and the abolition of Sunday collections. The public will also face the introduction of zonal pricing making you pay more for your postal services depending on where you live, closure of some local delivery offices and closure of some large Mail centres and distribution hubs.

neilm

Pointless or not... sometimes you've just got to make a stand.


The whole Post Office thing is getting ridiculous, they are a service and should be run as one, not a business.

Closing small post offices in rural areas is just criminal.

Laying off 40,000 people in the name of efficiency, when its actually a move to make the company look more profitable and ripe for take over by a private company is just wrong.


Be interesting to see how the country copes without mail for a week

cossie04

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Also, Allan Leighton (Post Office Chairman) is apparantly refusing point blank to negotiate. He works one day a week and tells postal workers they are 40% under worked. And at the same time, Adam Crozier (Cheif Execuctive) is paid over £1 million a year and tells postal workers who are paid £323 that they are 25% over paid!!

R4N SS

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they should strike and have every right to.

Diamonds.

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EMAIL

but yeh i dont think they deserve to strike. its like going for a job for whatever reason then moaning.....well you took it leave if you dont like the pay the hrs etc.

RANJ

wankers, ive had to use dhl for my shit while they pissing about

Fudgey

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im getting quite fucked off with not reveiving my post/or parts getting delivered - its costing me money, so that really pisses me off!

RANJ

imagine if the whole country didnt like the pay they were getting, would every fucker just walk out, quit moaning,get on with it, if you dont liek it, find something else

RANJ

imagine if the whole country didnt like the pay they were getting, would every fucker just walk out, quit moaning,get on with it, if you dont liek it, find something else

saffsta

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Its not just about pay

Its a few months old but its still ongoing

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle1356419.ece

mrjenrst

They shouldnt strike. If they dont like there job find something else.

And as for the firemen there on 20k a year part time and 90% of women wanna shag them!

There not job's you go into not realising what's involved and what the pay is so they havnt got the right to strike imo

KSA-Cossie

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Lazy overpaid paperboys.

Spiky

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who applies for a job when they think the wages are crap?

if you dont like the pay, find a better job,

"oh, no thats to hard, so i 'll stay and moan "

St3V3_C

I think he's talking about regular firemen not working 39hrs per week.

tabetha

I think the posties should not strike but write to thier MP's instead, then when they come off strike they can deliver the letters to him!!
There is no comparison with firemen/ladies, they are not a profit making organistion like the PO.
tabetha

andyt

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if they dont like they should find another job simple as

FletchCossie

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People strike over not getting enough Pay, but how many people strike about the amount of TAX the UK people pay????

Cut the TAX and the pay will increase in every job!

Fil

get back to work you lazy buggers i want my new phone

Big G

Great way to blag a long weekend.

topaz

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sack em all and get the poles in

everything will be next day delivery

Nath

Supposed to be sunny this weekend isn't it?

Stoo

Lazy fuckers should just get back to work. They should be thankfull they were even given a job in the first place.

Bloody ridiculous. Oh, I want more money money money. So fuck you, I'm not coming into work for a week. Idiots.

scottbrown

as I have said before....

imo posties are living in a by gone era,
the PO is no longer nationalised as such and they have to compete with people like dhl.

whos staff do more hours for less an hour and have to work.

the PO is unprofitable because people are stuck in the past.
I agree the postmans wage is crap,
but you cant take a job with a shit wage knowing you can top it up with
overtime, now the overtime is gone they just have a shit wage.

If you dont like it take your massive "skill" base and go and work for tnt etc???


And people wonder why companys would rather pay eastern europeans the same wage instead of a brit........

rssteve

there don't need no qualifications so why should they be paid more. get back to work or find another job. Im sure the poles would do the work, and they'd no delt make a better job of it too.

dojj

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they ain't striking for their pay, they are striking because of the changes to their terms and conditions

it's like my job, i get a basic salary with no overtime so i shouldn't be working right now because i'm not getting paid for it, but i kew that when it took the job on, and besides, the basic is more than i would earn with overtime at my old rate so i'm happy to compromise

some of the staff are still sitting on their old contracts where they get paid overtime, and do 20 hours a month, but the guys who have gone over to the anualised hours are still taking home more because the basic is greater

some people just don't look at the whole picture and i think about what they can get when they are off sick or on holiday and work out their budgets from there, thinking baout overtime isn't really going to get you a bigger mortgage is it

Ginge !

323 quid a week, for a job where there finished at 12 too where they walk about and post letters though a letter box,, the skills they need is reading words, reading numbers and not getting paper cuts

fuck me there over paied !!!!

theres people out there who do SKILLED jobs that require actual constant learning who get paied less

staff at pc world ect get paid half what they get


the post office is a job for life,,, thats why they got into it, nice pensions, decent wages, free to get on with there job and what ever else they can when on street like window shopping ect

dont like it,, leave its that fucking simple

managing directors getting paied 1 million ,,,, what you think there job is piss easy ????

IMO all hes gotta do to cut the workforce is intoduce random drugs tests and watch how many of the poor staff can afford drugs on there shite wages


you will get rid of 20% easy legally too !!!

oh postman get paied more money that comunity support officers,,, imagine that !!!

AND they milk overtime, they now think they are intitled to overtime and call the desision to change the postal system loosing there wage that is just overtime they claim delivering our fucking letters late !!

if i could get ALL my mail BEFORE i left for work fair play i would agree

but i get my fucking letters at 11am,,, so i dont actually get it till i get home at 7pm,,, fuck it let em work 9 to 5 as it wont fucking affect me in the slightest

first class dont mean shite anymore either,,, the " its gets there if it gets there" for it is a fucking joke

let DHL ect take em over and sack the lifers in the post office who claim there wages every week

HELL why the fuck are they still paied weekly too, i dont get that either

Dangerous Malcolm..

Posties aren't striking because they get shit pay, they're striking because of Royal Mails latest PROPOSALS which will affect pay and conditions for the future.
It will also affect you all in some way or another which you don't seem to appreciate yet. For example, from next week our office is being forced to start 1hr 15mins later, which means mail will be even later getting out.
Also they're closing more Post Offices, and putting up the price of stamps.

bigchez

At the end of the day, being a postie is not a skilled job. So getting paid £300+ a week for stealing birthday cards and throwing the rest in abush, is not too bad! As has been said, if you don't like it, go and find something else......

Ginge !

considering i dont get my post till 11am and i dont actually get to read it till 7pm,,, that aint gonna affect me

closing post offices,,,,, where will i post my letters,,,,,, oh yeah the letter box as i use anyway cause the cues for post offices are a fucking joke

putting up the price of stamps,,,, unless they are gonna stick em up to 4 quid it also wont affect me,,,,,,, actually what is the price of a fucking stamp these days

as for parcel charges, YOUR ALREADY MORE FUCKING MONEY FOR PARCELS HENCE I USE PARCELS 2 GO 9 ( who also have yet to loose a pakage for me too might i add !!!)

contacting members of family,,, i could phone them, email them or text them,,,, i NEVER send birthday cards,, if i wanna give them money i pay it into there bank rather than let the postman nick it before they get it !!!

fuck all affects me and BOLLOX are they striking over the price of fucking stamps,, they didnt strike over the rip off large letter/packet thing i notice

they just dont wanna loose coshy jobs and cant get better else where so are trying to do just as the fireman do,,,, strike so that the public agree with them


itsa bit like out fucking dustman,, he will take away waht ever is inside the bin and leave the rubbish outside for us to phone the special ops ( yes they fucking called that ) and get them to clear away the extra

well apart from christmas where they actuall KNOCK on our doors and give out christmas cards so we bung them some cash for there hard work

sorry but i work fucking hard and i treat everyone fair and have NEVER been nicer to people who give me favours ect and when ford fucked me over and turned me into the boy rather than the job i applied for and was doing when they closed the branch down and i didnt like it,,,, i didnt argue,, i got another job,,,, first one i applied for and the one i went to get interview practise with too

sack the fucking lot of the postal staff and start again !!!!!

too many " mates" in the post office too ive noticed,,,,, its one of them job that they would rather one of there own was on and they dont like outsiders too ive noticed

lazy bunch of over paid council flat people

getting up at 5am is tough yeah,, but your home at 12,,,, i get up 2 hours later and get home at 7 fucking PM

COMEDY DAN

Exactly what I was thinking...lol

Just leave if you dont like it.

Ginge !

dan they wont cause that it ALSO hard work for them,,,, thats why people moan in this country

we never moan when we should do, we only moan when we have to do something extra and cant be arsed too

GTechR

What a fukkin joke some of you so called intelligent people are, you have no idea what is gong on in the world you live in... you have a mind set of how a posty acts/looks, and as far as you are concerned thats gospel...

As already stated, despite what you ignorant fucks think the actual wage argument is very low on the list...

Other little titbits they intend forcing on the workforce include, being forced to work a reduced week during quiet periods (mid summer)... for instance Coming in on a monday and being told your only allowed 3 days work that week, and then during the heavy period having to work a 50+hour 6 day week, with no overtime. They are reserving the right to give you 24hrs notice on that aswell. Would you be happy to do that in your job, irrespective of what your paid? (again money is NOT the issue there)

The dreaded Door 2 door (basically the sh1te you get every week that goes in the bin) we laughingly get paid extra to deliver those on average it's 1.5p per item - normally there are 3 per household, so that works out at say 4.5p per house, we are going to be forced to deliver anything upto 6 items per house a week, and the payment that we receive is being included in our (below inflation) 2.5% offer. (again I’m sure many of you guys get productivity bonuses etc? imagine being then told that you have to include that productivity in your regular job and hey fuk being payed for it!!) and before you go off on one saying we get extra – half the time they “forget” to pay it for weeks on end.

As from next week, most of the offices are starting anything upto an hour later than they used to, but by law we are supposed to have all mail delivered by 3pm, and yet we are expected to do the same job by basically working all day, and then taking out dinner entitlement at the end of the shift, so for instance, instead of starting at 6.30, and finishing at 2.30 with a lunch break, I will now have to start at 7.30 and finish 2.30, and then take my dinner when I finish my round, or in other words, I dont get a Dinner hour... Ok that ‘may’ sound paetty… But I’m sure most of you have a dinner hour?

That is just the tip of the Iceberg, there is far far more than Royal mail is making it out to be. Dont believe the hype.

I'm sorry but it’s very very nieve, to think any other company would do a better job. The mail that comes thru your door is delivered at a loss, and for that single reason 80% of all UK mail will always be delivered by Royal mail, the problem is that eventually 50% of the mail will be collected from large users by a third party, ie:TNT (dutch national carrier) Dutchepost (german national carrier) and lots of smaller companies such as UK mail, they can collect the mail from the large users and they can undercut royal mail, they can then take the mail to a royal mail sorting office and we have to deliver it (at a loss) there is NO profit what so ever in delivering the mail, especially the mail you and I send thru the post. All the "competition" do is the middle bit you dont see... You may find in Large Cities the competition may deliver business post due to the logistics (the other 20%), but normal everyday mail? I'm affraid your stuck with royal mail, and as long as the government allow the unfair "competition" the service will deteriate, until eventually the only people employed by Royal mail will be Immigrants etc, that dont give a fuk about the wage, conditions etc or indeed the job

I could go even deeper into this topic, but i'll not bore you.

All I would say is dont blame the posty, blame the EU and British Government.

And one final point… for those of you that think we are lazy!! If anyone want’s to join me on an ‘average’ day I carry appox 100kg of mail and I cover approx 4 miles. What do you do?

Ginge !

when i was a traffic warden i walked 25 miles a day and carried equiptment weighing in at just over 15kgs

i never had a fucking trolly for it either

dont like it why aint you found a better job with better conditions and a OBVIOUSLY better wage

and ffs,, id RATHER you never stuck junk through my fucking door,,,, its like a traffic warden moaning he wont get bonus as its now based on how many tickets he issues

if its not about wages,,, why are they offering you more money ????

its not the point, tell them " we dont want any extra wages"

the stuff you have mentioned though ae easy solved,,,,,, change law fo mail to be delivered upto 5pm,,,, there you go

deliver the fucking mail rather than loose it or your mates steal it so more people would use it

understand like everyone else in business has that the delivering letters is a thing of the past and its either time to get into another game or accept theres less cash out there

people in IT and mechanics have clocked on they have to work harder for less money now the market is flooded or if they dont they wont get any work


delivering letters for a loss,,,,, then sorry you NEED to work harder to make it earn fucking money THEN when thats happened make demands,,, cant tell a company whos loosing money " we want better conditons,,,,,, oh and money" if they aint fucking got any,,, YOU ARE WHAT MAKES THE ROYAL MAIL WORK,,,,, the bosses aint doing fuck all but trying to manage you lot, your job is deliver the mail so theres a profit made