please dont get me wrong! i LOVE a yb engined carthey are truly awesome,ive owned a few! i am not taking anything away from them, as far as i am concerned a race engine for the road, total genius! BUT after seeing v8 powered sierras,twin turbo 24v v6s and even 12v v6 turbos is the 2.0 cosworth engine still the daddy? i am sure people will jump on me and call me all sorts of names! but would you have a 4 cylinder or a 6 or 8 cylinder car? ybs have levelled out at 500 bhp which i would be more than happy with! but with v8s being limitless? what would you have?please be nice ( i love ybs)

 

If I were to build a sierra or escos from scratch there's only one engine that would be going in. And it's a 2jze.

Yb's to expensive these days unless there's already one in the bay. And even then, with a genuin cos I'd think long and hard about selling the yh for jap power.

 

Have you not seen Charlie Shaws 806bhp focus YB?

 

please,please dont get me wrong! i love the cosworth engine,but getting over 800 bhp from a 2.0 is so awesome,but way over straining it! where as a v8 is just getting started? i own a shite in comparison 2.8 cologne with a janspeed turbo,doing a solid 250 bhp,a figure a yb will pee all over!all day for very little money/tuning.

 

agreed ive been offered so many jap cars with engines to die for! recently a lexus ls400 on a t plate, mint with fsh for .......Ł700!!! ybs are now Ł2k at best... was thinking of going 2wd and putting an s2000 engine in!

 

A 2jz is in another league to the YB. Downside is its weight and very expensive gearbox that you need to bolt behind it. All that aside I would choose a 2jz over anything, immense performance for realistically not a lot of money.

 

yb's are in no way the best engine ever(and i mean in NO way)
but they were somewhat ahead of there time considering when they were developed
but by todays standards they are nothing special
i own 2 in 2 differant cossy's, and i love them
but if i was doing a complete scratch built car then a yb would be nowhere near the top of the list for engines
i realy fancy i nice ford modular v8, sound amazing and tune to silly power for not a huge budget
but if it had to be a 4 cylinder 2 litre a 4g63 evo engine can do mega numbers for a smaler budget than a 500 bhp yb

 

2jz

4pot wise nissan SR20DET and toyota 3SGTE are quite capabile engines when done right
really the 'ultimate' engine depends massively on what you plan on doing with it IMO

 

4 pot wise, id only really consider a honda lump of some kind, they hit silly power on certain stock bottom ends!

2L+ would have to be a 2JZ

 

Iv had I4's v6 ,v8 and now flat six ,ranging from 1.8 to 3.6 L and 180bhp to 250bhp the I4 was a great all rounder the six's needed to be reved but the v8 did not have the most power but felt to have the thickest power ,I like the revy nature of the six's but allso liked that with the 8 you could pick any gear any rev and it pulled.

 

Coyote V8.... from the new mustangs

 

I've driven a 300bhp+ cossie, passengere in aeveral 500bhp+ cossies and they're great fun, but I've also done alot of miles in a 400bhp c5 corvette and a caddilac ctsv (6.2 supercharged v8 556bhp) and they were on another level, especially considering they were bog standard cars. Is definitely go for a sorted v8 over an equivalent power by, or any turbo'd 4pot.

 

for me the ultimate all round engine takeing everything into the equation has to be a 2jz.
I had some bad luck but only from bad mechanics.

the new gtr engine is looking quite the beast though but a lot of ŁŁŁŁŁ

 

It's chalk and cheese isn't it? The YB is 30 odd years old, of course it's pants will get pulled down by engines designed by people who were in nappies when Keith Duckworth designed the YB.

You don't by a YB, you buy a 'Cossie'. It's a package.

 

Spent most of the weekend tooling about in my E36, I absolutely love the drive and noise of a straight 6 old school bmw engine, after my mate had an e30 325 sport many years ago I was hooked.
I can totally appreciate that everyone has their favourite, obviously if we're talking race engines then thats a whole different discussion. Also 5 pot turbos of any marque are pretty epic. I don't particularly like the noise cossie engines make by comparison, it just an old 4 cylinder with a turbo, it will never sound "sweet"
Gotta love a V8, well until my vanos fucked up....

 

It's a shame you had such bad luck as my experiences of them has been excellent, a real powerhouse.

As for the vr its definitely doing the numbers but as my mate it experiencing its very costly, as a rwd motor the oiling system looks to be immense, its very tall though and you obviously need to factor in a S8 syvecs into the costs which isn't cheap either!

 

Why? The standard manual box has been proven for silly power, Jamie P was still running it the last I heard, and that's at 1200bhp.

I'd personally go Jap too, anyone that slates JAp stuff is just in denial

 

Actually that's a very good shout, any of the 6 cylinder Beemer lumps with a monster turbo strapped to it gets my vote!

 

The gearboxes are 2 grand for a used v160 so not cheap.

As a package though a 2jz with a v160 is cheap in comparison to most other setups.

 

I cant see how there can be one type of ultimate engine there are so many!
And you cant compare a 4 cyl yb to a 6 cyl Toyota engine!
I think for a 4cyl engine that's quite old now the yb dose very very well and still holds its own with 650bhp being an easy tune! and for an old engine there still used today at the top level of rally cross so cant be that bad really!
But I guess the ultimate type of engine has to be a v8 for out and out power you just have to look at and hear a drag car or see one go!

 

Ajp v8 for the noise alone!

 

The uber ultimate engine doesn't exist. But the YB is rated as one for me. It's more special to put 1600 Hp from a 4-pot than 1800 Hp from a 6-pot. And a YB looks so nice under any bonnet while other engines look so boring esp. the 2jz which is a nice engine, no doubt.

 

For a 2 litre 4 cylinder engine I think it's still very good. Some Mitsubishi engines might be as good but I don't think any 4 cylinder engines from the same era are better. And it's a bit pointless to take larger 6 cylinder engines in the conversation... Because then again, big block V8's are better than 6 cylinder and so on.

And we have to remember, Cossie was rally car originally so 6 or 8 cylinder engines would have been worse taking into account the weight distribution, and they weren't even legal in Grp. A use. If you compare Sierra Cosworth to XR8 (with 302 V8) or even a V6 Sierra you will probably find the two latter more nose heavy and worse handling.

There's loads and loads of Cossies running 300-400 bhp, how many Delta Integrales, GT-Four Celicas and other direct rivals you see running that kind of horsepower?

 

Yes a straight 6 v6/v8 can provide a greater scope for faster reliable acceleration, greater torque/power band, and a faster performing car in a straight line than the yb.

But they will never compete with a staight 4 when it comes to track days, rallying and the twisties. So if you want to compare engines then they have to be similar piston configuration, i4 vs i4, i6 vs i6. v8 vs v8, The exception is rotary but I don't like them.

The yb was a homologation engine for rallying and touring cars, when rally cars really shared a connection with the car on the forecourt.
Detuned in road spec and very strong as standard. For its time it was the greatest 4 cylinder engine way ahead of it time, but unfortunately Ford never continued to refine it, and lost their way and forgot how to make a 4 cylinder turbo, until now.
with the ecoboost.

 

I love the sound of a V8.

 

they do sound good, they make my missus moist lol

 

So does Rod