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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 06:26 PM
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Dont no if anyone can help im looking at getting a loft conversion done on my house has anyone has had one done and no a rough price they cost as dont want start getting prices if they way out my budget...i should get it done a bit cheaper as got family that can do some off it

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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 06:28 PM
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Depends on size and the type of roof you have at the moment. Some are easier to convert than others. Pay anything from 20k up
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 06:35 PM
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Its not too big only a 2 bedroom house cant get any pics of what it look like up in loft its not got any beams going across like on some lofts its just like a small room up there just a bit dusty
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 06:43 PM
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Theres a lot of work involved mate especially with insulation and fire regs. You have to overboard and skim you curent upstairs ceilings too for fire stop...
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 06:46 PM
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Depends on size and the type of roof you have at the moment. Some are easier to convert than others. Pay anything from 20k up
bit of a random guestimate there im thinking. what are you talking about doing for the 20k then as ive just had mine done.
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cheers for help looks like big job then will just have to get few quotes see from there...

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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 06:50 PM
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when you go into your loft have you got trusses in the space between the roof, i.e timber from the roof to the floor on angles?
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 06:55 PM
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Dont get what your on about Mark. Course its a guestimate i cant price it acurate from a question on a forum can i?
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 06:59 PM
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Dont get what your on about Mark. Course its a guestimate i cant price it acurate from a question on a forum can i?
yes but its the most vague price ive ever seen. you would have been better not saying anything until he tells you what type of roof hes got to begin with, then what type of conversion he wants.

bit like ringing the garage for a service on the car and asking whats the rough price and they say £450, you then tell them i only want the oil and filter changing

his conversion may be no where near 20k.
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 07:02 PM
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We had one 2 years back and It was no where near 20k.

But, it isn't the biggest loft in the world.
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 07:03 PM
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He asked what sort of cost hes looking at. 20k upwards for a proper loft conversion. . . and i dont care what you have paid. So, if he gets his family to do it then hell do it cheaper. Better than saying go on mate get it done it will only cost you 5k...then he starts it and runs out of money quarter of the way through
Even if he has a traditional roof theres still lots involved its not much easier than doing a trussed roof
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by YoungDan
We had one 2 years back and It was no where near 20k.

But, it isn't the biggest loft in the world.
How big and what did you have done? Last one we did was small but had a full width dormer...it was 22k and we were 7k cheaper than the next builder........
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 07:49 PM
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Dont get what your on about Mark. Course its a guestimate i cant price it acurate from a question on a forum can i?
yes but its the most vague price ive ever seen. you would have been better not saying anything until he tells you what type of roof hes got to begin with, then what type of conversion he wants.

bit like ringing the garage for a service on the car and asking whats the rough price and they say £450, you then tell them i only want the oil and filter changing

his conversion may be no where near 20k.
hes stated could be anything from 20k up whats wrong with that? Theres usually alot of work involved aint as simple as cutting the beams out and laying some floor then bolting a staircase in. I think the fire regs have just changed too now one we did last week had to have a sprinkler system put in as the stairs did not lead directly to an exit or something like that. Alot of money involved.

Id suggest if he wants a price he calls some local builders and ask for a quote
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Originally Posted by Lee Reynolds
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We had one 2 years back and It was no where near 20k.

But, it isn't the biggest loft in the world.
How big and what did you have done? Last one we did was small but had a full width dormer...it was 22k and we were 7k cheaper than the next builder........

We had stairs upto it, (built in, not pull down things)

and I'd say the room was 8ft x 8ft? (roughly!)

No joists or anything were moved, just instaltion, everything boarded off and painted, as well as a big window that opens from the top and bottom.

Sorry if it sounds vague.
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 08:16 PM
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If thats all thats done it isnt a proper conversion......

and 8ft square is tiny, so thats why its wasnt no where near..

I just spent five minutes typing roughly whats involved in a proper conversion to latest regs, and then PF as normal crashed
Im not typing it again to prove my point....i know what im on about so its take it or leave it
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 08:20 PM
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That's not all thats done, I did say it was vague,

I aint the builder here.
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 08:29 PM
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I only wanted a rough idea of a price as did not have a clue at least ive got a little idea of prices and whats got be done i no it might not cost anything near 20k as i can get it done a little cheaper from family.
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 08:36 PM
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I have looked into this and Lee's price seems about normal, my loft isn't massive but to fit a dormer and make it liveable was approx 25k
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 08:54 PM
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going through regs is a fortune ,as Lee says .
Know loads of people ,who dont bother with building regs and it costs half as much between 4-9k for a good traditional roof.
I did mine to just about regs standard 3 years ago and it cost me 4.5k the labour i did myself apart from the electrics ,thats 7m wide by 4.5 ish.
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 09:00 PM
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lees price is about what most people will quote you tbh, mine is pretty big if i may say so myself full length, stairs with 3 levels, 6 newel posts, full width dormer, two velux, built in wardrobes and lowe end storage, full wired, two radiators, in roof lighting, it wasnt anything near 20k.

shop around pal, dont ask the loft conversion people as they will try to pull your pants down. in all honousty from my experiance with all the building work i have had done and done myself the building trade - brickies-plasterers-plumbers-electricians are more robbing gits in general than the motor trade ever is or has been.

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you do really need to have a good look around, then ask them to show you the actual work in hours, as also from experiance the building trade seam to have their own set of working hours that they seam to want to charge you for, even when theyre not at your property. ive had all the lame excuses in the world. ive queriedinvoices and asked where they get the labour figure from, and been told " well i was at the merchants" - what aload of bollox, if your not at my property doing what im paying you to do that aint my problem.

just be careful thats all i will say.
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 09:19 PM
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No one Ive met in the trade are robbing gits...only the odd ones...like on House of horrors tv prog...

The building trade is a skill and hard graft, why shouldnt we have a good wage from it? Robbing has fook all to do with it...
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 09:28 PM
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And jobs are priced as a price for a certain job...not by per hour...its got nothing to do with the customer or anyone else what we get paid per hour.....

IE the average cost now for a thousand bricks laying is 400 quid. I can lay a thousand a day easy, but i know good brickie who cant...and it might take them 1.5 days....so by your theory Mark that brickie should get more then me Not how it works mate, it might in you game
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Originally Posted by Lee Reynolds
No one Ive met in the trade are robbing gits...only the odd ones...like on House of horrors tv prog...

The building trade is a skill and hard graft, why shouldnt we have a good wage from it? Robbing has fook all to do with it...
Most of my mates are in the game ,and far from robbing crunts,if any thing most us think we are actualy too cheap.Not to mention all the little extras the customer thinks you have time to do for them for free ,just cos your there .
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 09:39 PM
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too right....all the little jobs add up. I admit we rarely charge for the small stuff but when you think about it we are daft..

Fooks me off though when cunts tar everyone of us with the same brush.... Dont think so...

Tell you what is robbery......when our lass has her hair cut and highlighted....now they are robbing bastards
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 09:46 PM
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but its funny how you can get 10 'tradesman' down to quote for the same job yet the prices differ massively, im not saying low price = crap job or high price = best job as it doesnt in the building trade at all.

ive just had a gable end rebuilt as an RSJ rotted and caused the wall to drop(and wall ties failed) i had 8 quotes.

in fact seeing as this started with a quote/guestimate have a go at this..

1926 large two storey gable end and front corner elevation bowed, large crack from 1st floor to almost roof i.e mortar failure not cracked bricks, built from accrington brick, soil pipe in side one window in ground floor, and one door.
how much to drop it, replace the RSJ (rsj is not needed as it was there from change of use) to window lintle 1200mm wide, clean bricks and rebuild plumb?
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Prices differ massivley in all trades not just the building trade.

Id guess and like i say GUESS at that costing about 3.5-4k....
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Originally Posted by Lee Reynolds
Prices differ massivley in all trades not just the building trade.

Id guess and like i say GUESS at that costing about 3.5-4k....
see now , because you havent seen it im going to give you a fairs fair and all that, the quotes from the people who came and looked at it, started at 5k and stopped at 15k.

and all i will say is the wall has been built twice now in 12 weeks, the first time it was rebuilt to 3/4 back up when i inspected it i stopped the job and threatened to take the fooker down myself it was that bad.

you would not of done that job for 4k.
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i did quite alot of loft conversions a while ago and if your ever thinking about selling the property its well worth sticking to the regs which depending on the local council are not always that bad, if your on a budget it its worth paying for a set of drawings yourself and working out what work you can do without a builder, 90 % of structural timber work is very monkey see monkey do stuff so provided the work you do is inspected its well worth a go
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I agree Mark you need to see the job...I just thought quickly in my head..scaffold cost, 2 weeks labour, small skip.
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