McGoo 69

basicly as title..

im fitting a focus rs lump in my escort mk5, which gearbox should i go for to handle the torque?

i have a bandm short shift id like to use so it needs to be a rod shift if possible rather than cable select

also i need to take the starter motor into account, do i need a front or rear mount starter?

also which clutch and flywheel? focus rs

im only going to be running standard poer for now and i have a quiffe diff to go in it

cheeRS

crazycage

dont be soft and just fit the focus rs box

McGoo 69

lol

i had a frs box but sold it last week as i bought a doner car what had a diff in it so i sold to recoupe some cash

fittinga nomal mtx75 is easier for me as i dont want to mess around with fab wok and driveshafts

also i have brand new escort vibratechnics mountsi want to use

crazycage

crack on then lol.

McGoo 69

no one deciding to help?

McGoo 69

seems like this forum is only good for bitching and bullying??

please prove me wrong

pdfbt40

I just wonder what you want to know? You've implied your going to use a 'normal' Escort MTX rather than a FRS box or other cable operated box.

That means you can't use a FRS clutch as the conclusion of several threads on here is that a hydraulic operated clutch won't fit in a rod operated box. Those thread have then gone on to recommend various alternatives of flywheels and 220mm clutches that will take turbo torque.

Sorry, but I've only experience with post '98 MTXs personally. But search should find relevant topics.

Or, and if you want real bitching and bullying, try FFOC, though it will cost you £20 for the full experience.

Martin

McGoo 69

sorry by normal i ment the mtx75 found in a rs2000, rod operated and cable clutch

do you have links to these threads youve found?

id simply used a rs2000 gearbox with uprated clutch and flywheel but i dont know where the starter motor needs to be?

crazycage

it needs to be anywhere you can fit it whats the big deal? if you are so fucked by a starter then this conversion isnt for you.
go buy a box and offer it up simple.
p-s the rs2k is front starter so are mondeos focus's are rear starter but they all fit!!!!!!!

i could go into great detail on how to do it but you asked all this on here years ago and i tryed to help you out then and you are still at the same point now. all you seem to do is ask how to fit different engines and gearboxes but never go and have a go.

XRT_si

iTrader: (2)

I have a rod change, cable clutch MTX (supposedly from a RS2000) and am using a Focus RS clutch. Works fine although Ive read it shouldnt!

As you say there's threads covering this, but it seems some bell housings were different depending what year it was etc...

XRT_si

iTrader: (2)

My box is supposed to be a RS2000 but its rear starter. Must be early mondeo or something then!

crazycage

it could be, my old rs2k was deffo front starter ,there are some weird mtx boxes tho mate i have one thats front starter rod linkage but hydraulic clutch got given it so have no idea what it came out of .

XRT_si

iTrader: (2)

Ive seen one like that before, late mk1 Mondeo (possibly V6?) I think.

McGoo 69

bit hars considering its a only a hobby to me and i can only work on it at certain times... i was 18 when i got this car and had to work outside.. now ive managed to get a warehouse so i can do the work

i am in no way incompetant with cars, ive rebuilt plenty of bits and bobs i jst wanted to check if id come into any problems with starter motor positions before i go wasting money on gearboxes... i know a few people on here have had starter motor clearance issues so i just wanted to make sure on the issues before i go wasting money.... you may be in the trade and have easy access to part numbers and info but i do not so chill out

McGoo 69

and yes i could just go out and buy a rod operated rs2000 gearbox and fit it to the focus rs lump easily i can do that no problem i just wanted to see if the starter would be in the way of the turbo/exhaust and i need to know if a rs2000 gearbox would suit the extra power/torque the focus lump will give.. if not would a turboD box be better? i wasnt asking alot i just want opinons from people who have done a similar thing..

XRT_si

iTrader: (2)

RS2000 MTX is perfectly strong enough and the starter can be at the back anyway which would solve any clearance problems

pdfbt40

XRT_si, one day a (sad) soul will document all the different MTX boxes since '92.......I must admit I wasn't sure why a FRS clutch didn't work in an earlier box which is why I was careful how I worded my reply.

Same, as we've implied over starter motor, and also mounts.

I was very careful when I bought a Mondeo as a hack to get one after June 98 to ensure it was a 'blacktop' engine, and therefore not too many surprises if I happened to get ambitious. It was still (as we know) a lot of little things to sort, dropping a FRS engine in.......

Martin

McGoo 69

cheers xrt_si thats all i needed to know

and pdfbt40 that the question i was trying to ask, i know the box will it the engine ut i wasnt sure of what problems id encounter

matty

XRT_si

iTrader: (2)

There seems to be so many variations, which is why really I should jump straight to a FRS box now as the mounts are different but want the car up and running asap.

Ive read the clutch hits the bell housing. Mine doesnt though.

pdfbt40

That's it, so many variations......not just the bolt pattern on the engine.

My Mondeo box, although its hydraulic clutch/cable change still has the casting shape for a rod change underneath. Partially explains the different oil capacities.

Incidentally the Mondeo has 3 mounts on the box but no cross member. Front and rear of bellhousing to subframe, and a top one to the side rail. Had to leave the front one off completely because of the turbo, so just filled all the voids in the rear one with steel rod to stiffen it up.

Martin