thegrimreaper

hi everyone i wonder if anyone can help as this is driving me insane! i have a fiesta xr2i running an 1850 tall block conversion, when the car is cold it starts no problem at all however when it even gets slightly warm it will not start normally , however if i bump start it starts no problem at all, i have tried a new battery and a new starter motor and i cant think of anything else to try! any ideas please??

66doug

Hi mate

I have the same problem on my frst.

I've changed the alternator and battery, the starter motor is next.

Driving me nuts as well.

Doug

white2i

my xr2i 8v da same wen it gets warm it has a job startin , i put it down 2 the starter solenoid gettin 2 hot coz its rite next 2 da manifold downpipe, i am tryom 2 work out how 2 make a heat shield at the minute for mine 2 try n stop the problem

thegrimreaper

cheers for the replies, atleast i am not the only one the problem i got is i got to take the car for its mot so wat i am going to have to do is take it down there when i know they havent got any cars in for mot and i can get it straight on the ramps then i spose, its one hell of a pain in the a**e though especially if it stalls lol!! if i put the starter pack on it though sometimes it will start!

thegrimreaper

for reference of anyone else having this problem i have found a company called rpmmotorsport who do a starter motor heatshield, they are selling them for 33.50 on ebay, if anyone needs one pm or mail me and ill find u the link

SafeChav

Ford fitted a heatshield as standard

thegrimreaper

really?? wat does it look like? this is more like a blanket that goes round it?

SafeChav

Ah right, the ford item is like a cup that hangs from 2 bolt holes on the front of block and shield the rear end of the motor. I'm not sure what its made of but they are quite brittle especially when they are old.

I found one on a car at the scrappy a few weeks ago, i'll get a picture for you tomorrow

xr-stu

try the coolant temp sensor. if the starter and battery are fine then it sounds like the temp sender is playing up, telling the ecu that the engine is cold, and therefore the ecu is starting it up in coldstart mode. ive had this problem before on my zetec engined mk2, be worth changing the sender for the sake of a few quid!

mine would never start once warm, but would chug into life if i disconnected an injector.....then would run fine with it reconnected with the engine running! odd one!

thegrimreaper

i will have to check the coolant temp sensor then, would that have anything to do with the sensor that makes the fan cut in cos the fan cuts in fine! not having much luck with the car today, just changed the handbrake warning light switch cos it was staying on all the time, then it still didnt work! car turned out to be low on brake fluid!!! the really annoying thing is i spent my last spare tenner on the switch!!!

in the haynes manual it says the coolant temp sensor is on the inlet manifold? is that right, if its the blue connector mine is mounted on the side of the head with coolant pipes running past it? does this sound right?

SafeChav

The CTS is in the back of the inlet manifold, has the same plug as the fan switch but its white not blue

Shame about the switch Worth posting about things like that next time, i now how annoying it is to buy un-needed parts

thegrimreaper

cheers for that, i know where that white one is now, i remember putting it back on after i changed the head gasket! i feel like by the time i get this car on the road i will know it inside out which is quite good, so far i have changed head gasket, camshaft oil seal as i didnt realise that was gone and thought it was the head gasket so stripped the head off then noticed the oil seal had popped out and a cv boot! as well as a new starter motor, i do love the cvh engine though, so easy to work on!!

SafeChav

The CVH engine is very easy to work on its just a shame the top ends are so shit on them The major in them

Its good to get to know your own car, at least you have the piece of mind knowing its all ok

thegrimreaper

im really beginning to be tested by this car, i just put a new set of spark plugs in the car as the old ones looked really black so i did that fired it up and it started lovely! now the cooling fan has decided it doesnt want to cut in anymore! starting to get really frustated by the damm car now!!

SafeChav

Cooling fans are easy mate, identify whether you have power, and if you do, bridge the switch plug, simple process of elimination. Don't let the machine win

thegrimreaper

where abouts do i find the switch plug?? is that on the back of the fan or elsewhere? i am going to tackle it in the morning i think?

SafeChav

On the thermostat housing, blue plug

thegrimreaper

oh i was playing with that the other day!! i wonder if i put it back on right???

SafeChav

thegrimreaper

i wasnt actually really playing with it, i took it off thinking it was the coolant temp sensor so i think maybe its not connected up properly now!

SafeChav

And out come the exscuses

When theyre getting old sometimes pulling the plug breaks them if the contacts have corroded or anything.

thegrimreaper

well i solved it , it turned out the connector was pushed on properly! now i wonder how that happened! worst thing is it seems that the camshaft oil seal has popped it self out again!

SafeChav

LOL

Finger trouble

Is this on the 2i?? The seal behind the coil pack bracket?

thegrimreaper

no its the other end, i may be getting the name wrong, its the other end beind the top pully it should fit into the recess into the head but mine keeps pushing out for some reason!

SafeChav

Ah right, sorry forgot about that, that is the seal yes. Might just be a shit seal, they should be tight to fit, if it pushes in easy then obvio it will come back out easy

thegrimreaper

yeah thats what i figured, thanks for all ur help over the last few weeks and i think it has paid off cos i am fairly confident over it being ready for mot, i am going to take it down next sat am for judgement day! the chip in the windscreen has been repaired, the cv boot is done, brake warning light is sorted now i topped up the brake fluid all that i think might cause a problem is when it doesnt always start when warm but if i have to start it off a starter pack i cant see them having a problem with that!! atleast i hope they wont!

SafeChav

No problem

They can't fail a starter motor, if anything it should pass, less polution

Best of luck

thegrimreaper

i was just wondering what they would be like if i had to start it off a starter pack to get it on to the ramps?? after all i have never read anything in the mot manual that says u cant??

SafeChav

Lol, i wouldnt worry about it, as long as it starts and runs somehow it will be cool, u might get some shitty looks though

I blew my water hose on the way to MOT when i saw a couple of fitties and gave it some shit lol

Didn't even test the emissions ROFL

thegrimreaper

last time i tried to impress some fit birds at traffic lights i blew the sodding gearbox, car wheelspan off from the lights fine, only prob was one wheel span on wet leafs, next thing i know smoke and oil everywhere! last sodding time i try and impress a bunch of school girls 7 year ago 405 gearboxes werent cheap, turned out the diff had exploded and blown a whole through the side of the gearbox

SafeChav

PMSL

Impress school girls, and Peugeot 405 in the same line

Anonymous

thegrimreaper

yeah funnily enough i dont admit owning one very often

i did get it in a magazine though, it was in our younger days doing burnouts at a cruise

SafeChav

How else would you get a 405 in a magazine (short of setting it on fire anyway)