cheers for the replies, atleast i am not the only one the problem i got is i got to take the car for its mot so wat i am going to have to do is take it down there when i know they havent got any cars in for mot and i can get it straight on the ramps then i spose, its one hell of a pain in the a**e though especially if it stalls lol!! if i put the starter pack on it though sometimes it will start!