fuzzy

..... For me no one keeping it for long rings alarm bells..... Would that amount of owners put you off on a high performance Mercedes c63 car ....?

ajamesc

If it was good condition ran well looked after and what I wanted not at all

focusv8

The previous owners either;

Couldn't handle the car
Couldn't afford the insurance
Couldn't afford the fuel
Got little practical use out of it and felt it too much money to keep tied up in a garage.
Found a better toy to play with.

(or a combination of all)

Presumably the price reflects the number of owners?

martysmartie

iTrader: (1)

My Saph has 20+ owners and that was < 19 years old at the time, so no it does not worry me personally.

Assuming it’s a performance car, in general they never have any long term ownership for the reasons mentions.

Martin

fuzzy

It's another C63......local Edinburgh area car …. The car looks in great condition with new main dealer parts fitted.... He's just told me all 4 cats have been removed though.... Both primary cats and both secondary cats..... That'll be a definate mot failure won't it....?

nick46

Yep unless you know a friendly mot tester!
As for 7 owners of a 10yr old car, I'm gonna buck the trend on this thread as I wouldn't go anywhere near it however tempting it may be.
Just out of interest, why are you considering it seeing as though you have recently got one?

Adam-M

Tends to be the norm with cars that cost a fortune to run

smiley

I'd say it's exactly that I know a trader who likes his top end cars he had one saying he was holding onto it next time i saw him gone said it cost him £20 every time he nipped out lol

fuzzy

I might have run out of talent on a dark wet country road and accidentally written my one off but as there was no witnesses I say it was oil on the road....

not going to entertain that one then ....im not fannying about with snidey mots on cars like that !

another one is 10 years old silver estate (my preference )with 6 owners and only failed 2 mots in its life ….1 for headlight out of aim and 1 for a deep gash in a tyre….

fuzzy

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2009-09-M...9306%7Ciid%3A1

fuzzy

high running costs....it can only be a weekend car or I would use £30 a day just to go to work.....absolutely amazing bits of machinery though.... I only put in 30 or 40 a time as it doesn't feel as sore as 120 in one hit....

smiley

Definitely mate just like a high powered weekend cossie acceptable fuel cost you going for 2 or selling other mate?

smiley

Just read above scratch last bit

fuzzy

can someone with a suspicious mind cast theyre eyes over this and its mot history and let me know if theres anything that worries you....?

ajamesc

If it’s a c63 that will account for so many owners lol. I’d imagine the fuel and maintenance costs on one soon wears the novelty off for a lot of people

nick46

Oh no, theres always oil on the road just in the wrong place . Sorry to hear that.
With regards to the one on ebay, if you look on the dealers website it has had 6 owners. I've just had a look at the mot history and it has failed twice, once for headlight aim and once for a cut in a tyre so nothing major. Its had a few advisorys for tyre wear over the years and in 2017 an advisory for front brake pad wear.
For a car of this calibre I'd want to see every shred of history - bills and receipts for absolutely everything. Included in that I'd like to see receipts for decent tyres. If it's been run on budget tyres then chances are corners have been cut in other aspects of servicing and maintenance. A folder full of the complete history would go some way in reassuring me it's been well cared for. Also, even though there appears to be a hpi report on the ebay listing, I'd still be doing my own checks.
I'm really fussy when it comes to buying cars, but if I was buying something like this I would be leaving no stone unturned.
Its definitely a nice looking motor. Keep us posted on how you get on.

fuzzy

why would the mot advisory mention underbody and engine cover trays being in place?

zooming in it looks like cheap shite landsail tyres....

thebigmacmoomin

If the car was well looked after, its probably not going to be an issue. I only had my E46 M3 for 7 months as it was just an itch that needed scratching.


Who could lose his job if he got caught

smiley

The under body trays I had that on my v60 I think it's just that they cannot see everything and wont take them off will find out for you

st220kyle

Yep, someone covering their ass basically. Which is fair enough

fuzzy

the original Edinburgh car seller has offered to put another years mot on it if I buy it,,,,,
i was going to find out how much it would be to retrofit the original 2 primary cats then offer him a price accordingly but if the mot testers turning a blind eye to no cats then youd wonder what else hes let pass through....

scoooby slayer

iTrader: (4)

Maybe you need AWD mate to keep it on the tarmac

cossynut2

My Daughters partner has his own garage and MOT station and he said there was no way he would do a dodgy MOT regardless of how much he was offered or if it was for a friend. There are very strict penalties if you get caught and he said it is never worth the risk!!!

boost monster

[QUOTE=fuzzy;6802290]I might have run out of talent on a dark wet country road and accidentally written my one off but as there was no witnesses I say it was oil on the road....

I’m sorry to hear about that but as long as you’re ok that’s all that matters.
The oily roads in Scotland is why I never switch my safety net totally off.

turbotrev

If the car was tidy and all was well with it why wouldn’t you go near it out of interest just because of the amount of owners?

Cheers Paul

turbotrev

He might not as it’s his company but plenty of other do.

let’s be honest just because a car is missing it’s cat doesn’t make it dangerous in any way

Cheers Paul

visa_broke

How bad was yours? what makes you think that its going to be wrote off?

Sounds like your ok which is the main thing. I was enjoying reading about your progress with the car as I am thinking about replacing my daily with either one of these of a 5.0 mustang (I've just spent the last four days driving one in LA and its not bad I started to enjoy it more once I got used to it)

fuzzy

insurance is sorted now so ive put up another thread with a couple of pics.....its be repaired by someone from Birmingham and be put back on the road as a cat d....

absolutely amazing cars so im buying another.....rs4s and m3s don't do it for me....

nick46

I'm just a bit wierd like that!
Buying a second hand car is a minefield as it is and I'm extremely anal when I change my car which is a bloody nightmare as I'm so picky, even though I do enjoy looking for a new car. If I was looking for a car of the same calibre as a C63 I would be even more picky and anal. 10 years old with 7 owners may well be perfectly innocent but I just couldn't help smelling a rat, but that's just me.

fuzzy

same here....maybe its my suspicious nature but if folk are keeping it about a year then getting rid it makes me think theres a problem theyre passing on....

cossynut2

Am I missing something here Paul? The car is fitted with catalytic converters as standard from the factory, of course it is not dangerous but they have been removed, so how has it managed to pass MOT tests? If you bought it you would either have to find some back street dodgy MOT tester who probably would'nt give a fuck if there were other potentially serious faults on it which may get ignored or get new cats fitted and get it properly MOT tested. With its "interesting" past history I personally would not be buying it.

fuzzy

I believe even if it passed the emissions test with all 4 cats missing it still fails because they have been removed ?
It's not just that... If the testers prepared to overlook that was else has been overlooked?

studabear

Yes Fuzzy if they are visibly removed it's a fail. Possibly if they have been tampered with too. I haven't checked the current regs for tampering. But all the MOT manuals are available online.

ajamesc

Biggest problem you have if they are removed is if the dvsa or a copper who is a twat notices on the road. Then decides it is no longer road worthy

STEVEST24

Sorry to hear about your accident, but glad you ok and can see the bright side.

Good points about the CATs, many years ago removed my main cat and it passed emissions ok as it had 2 other pre-cats in manifold, but rules changed few years ago, about physical presence so I put it back on.

Also, on the engine cover advisory, had that for a few years on our bog standard Astra, as said sounded strange at first, but assumed as mentioned they just 'arse covering'.

fuzzy

a c63 is extremely loud with the secondary cats removed....removing the 2 primary cats would be ridiculously loud !
im not in the trade but ive read that nowadays signs of tampering will fail the mot as some cut them open , remove the insides then weld shut....

cossynut2

That was my point in my reply above, there is no way that a car that has Cats fitted as standard from new will pass an MOT if they have been removed. No if's and but's it is an instant fail!

thebigmacmoomin

I've heard exactly the same thing.

There is a long 'Ask an MOT tester' thread on PistonHeads, must have been on there.

turbotrev

I know they are fitted with them as standard.
they may not be visible, it could of just passed its emissions and mot without them, I honestly don’t see what the big fuss is.
Even if a tester has passed it knowing it doesn’t have cats on it’s not the end of the world is it!
Your comments about dodgy back street mot testers cracks me up lol.
Best way is go look at a car and judge it for yourself instead of thinking the worst just based off the amount of owners it’s had and it having the cats removed.
modded cars are sometimes in better condition than standard ‘normal’ cars....

Cheers Paul

cossynut2

Sorry Paul but I don't get your thinking on this, VOSA make the rules for MOT tests and they may be a pain to some people but they are in place to make sure cars are not driving around with any potential faults which could be serious.When you are a registered MOT tester and you want to stay one, if you start turning a blind eye to known failures you are asking for trouble.If you buy a car which has had parts removed which should be on it, do you just hope that the next time it needs an MOT the tester will still pass it ? The car can be in really good condition but if the MOT is not right it would still put me off buying it.