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Old 06-08-2012 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Without all the facts its just speculation Phil as I am sure you well know.

I suggest 14 degrees at 4k with 2 bar on that engine is probably a bit optimistic.

  • Danny says it didnt have 2 bar.
  • Steve says it did.
  • Tony asked how it made 500+bhp on 1.4 bar... a valid question
  • Danny says the car ran a long way with no fuel pressure multiplication
  • Steve says it didnt do that at all.
  • The list goes on...

This is all top of my head but those points alone prove its pointless to even waste my time trying to help.

The actual boost and afr will be printed today at some point and iv already given boost pressures versus rpm..

It didnt make 500 at 1.4 bar at 5.3k as it would be a very special engine!it did 491 at near 7k at just a tad under 2 bar!!

The car was run on a rr day and then the vacuum pipe was left off steve himself posted an angry post about this himself!!


Luke read injector duty cycle whilst mapping so can answer anything you need to know on that..

For anyone saying we could send stu the wrong chip file then its impossible as tony also has one to compare...

There is nothing to hide and everything is recorded and does anyone really think id go to all this trouble just to be proven wrong??

I can see every change made in the power,afr and boost graph and have the oe file on laptop so can see that there is nothing wrong..

Once boost was being made there were over 20 pulls on the dd rr between 440 and 491 hp all recorded to show, the pressures iv given are the highest ones recorded!!


cheers danny

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After reading the thread it's all starting to sound like an eastenders plot to me

I've met loads of the posters here in real life and I can't say I've had a cross word to say to any of them

And to those who I've only cyber'd, well, they are still looking forward to me gracing their presence, do look for me at ford fair, I'll be the one with the hat on
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I hate it when my mates dont get on and i like everyone who is involved hear... :-(

Altho this is intressing.
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Took the sump off yesterday flannigan, the gates are still in mint condition mate,as I suspected , spoke to Ian who made them , say your gated sump was made for John priest in 2006 , never used left in his loft then sold to you in 2010 , so it's 12 years old , so maybe corodion may have played a part? I rang about and every one who has fitted one of these has never had a problem at all ? He is adamant there is no design fault , one gate dropping off unlucky but three , with our the welds breaking ,So iam happy to continue useing these gated sumps , after speaking to him , hope you get it sorted
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Originally Posted by pectelboy
Took the sump off yesterday flannigan, the gates are still in mint condition mate,as I suspected , spoke to Ian who made them , say your gated sump was made for John priest in 2006 , never used left in his loft then sold to you in 2010 , so it's 12 years old , so maybe corodion may have played a part? I rang about and every one who has fitted one of these has never had a problem at all ? He is adamant there is no design fault , one gate dropping off unlucky but three , with our the welds breaking ,So iam happy to continue useing these gated sumps , after speaking to him , hope you get it sorted
12 years old?? Do you own a time machine?



Shouldn't that be 6 years??
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Ha ha rab counting never been my strong point , iam a scaffolder what do I need to count , oh my wages
Old 06-08-2012 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dojj
After reading the thread it's all starting to sound like an eastenders plot to me

I've met loads of the posters here in real life and I can't say I've had a cross word to say to any of them

And to those who I've only cyber'd, well, they are still looking forward to me gracing their presence, do look for me at ford fair, I'll be the one with the hat on

Thats the thing its horrible when some one speculates something and then some one gets the blame because of that speculation..

I dont want to see all you guys in the future with all of you thinking me or luke had done any one any wrong..

Thats just me and hence why i said if it was proven luke did wrong id buy the pistons for steve!!..

I know for a fcat after seeing everything today and speaking with luke that that map is good..
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I hate it when my mates dont get on and i like everyone who is involved hear... :-(

Altho this is intressing.

Dougy mate it will all get sorted and i hope everyone will be cool again..

I miss seeing you lot at meets etc..


cheers danny
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Originally Posted by pectelboy
Ha ha rab counting never been my strong point , iam a scaffolder what do I need to count , oh my wages
LMAO

Easy mistake to make
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Originally Posted by 750hp escos
Thats the thing its horrible when some one speculates something and then some one gets the blame because of that speculation..

I dont want to see all you guys in the future with all of you thinking me or luke had done any one any wrong..


Thats just me and hence why i said if it was proven luke did wrong id buy the pistons for steve!!..

I know for a fcat after seeing everything today and speaking with luke that that map is good..



Dougy mate it will all get sorted and i hope everyone will be cool again..

I miss seeing you lot at meets etc..


cheers danny


Get your arse to anglesea for a long weekend mate, would be good to catch up
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Originally Posted by Miller 3
Get your arse to anglesea for a long weekend mate, would be good to catch up

Where is anglesea mate and if this w.end then i have my kids but will deffo catch up soon for sure



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Originally Posted by pectelboy
Took the sump off yesterday flannigan, the gates are still in mint condition mate,as I suspected , spoke to Ian who made them , say your gated sump was made for John priest in 2006 , never used left in his loft then sold to you in 2010 , so it's 12 years old , so maybe corodion may have played a part? I rang about and every one who has fitted one of these has never had a problem at all ? He is adamant there is no design fault , one gate dropping off unlucky but three , with our the welds breaking ,So iam happy to continue useing these gated sumps , after speaking to him , hope you get it sorted
Well that's peace of mind for you mate glad all was ok ! Don't really know why mine has failed I have offered to post it to Ian for inspection ? I can't see any corrosion on it where it failed just looks to me like the pins were brittle and broke away due to vibration either way i guess I'm just unlucky the decision I have got now is do i rebuild my t04e or upgrade it to a jge60 turbonetics / garret hybrid ? Lol
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Danny/luke

Met you both just the once at ep but a few times and the shows, both sound blokes, other than that, I can't comment

Keep you chin up Luke, there's always someone out there who will be looking out for you in your hour of need
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North Wales Dan mate, yer this w/end
were going up thursday and back late sunday-monday

round after that is snett
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Originally Posted by flannigan
Well that's peace of mind for you mate glad all was ok ! Don't really know why mine has failed I have offered to post it to Ian for inspection ? I can't see any corrosion on it where it failed just looks to me like the pins were brittle and broke away due to vibration either way i guess I'm just unlucky the decision I have got now is do i rebuild my t04e or upgrade it to a jge60 turbonetics / garret hybrid ? Lol

Gtx3076.82 boost by 2.6k and 14 psi by 3.5 k 500 lb ft by 4.8 k and 600 hp near as damn it!! awesome turbo!!

I used the first one ever last week on bench dyno..

That was with 26mm ported head 25mm ex ,my inlet cam hart plenum and 83lbers..


cheers danny
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You too Rab^^^^^

Would love to Doug! There is a small problem though......... I'm sat between Denmark and Sweden right now, on my ship, building a windfarm

Not due off for 2 weeks. Would be good to catch up sometime! Can't believe it's been 4 years!

I still have many random photo's of us, pissed....
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i love u all!!!who wants to have my babies??

Lol!! if its possible doug i wil!!! pmsl..


cheers danny
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Originally Posted by 750hp escos
Gtx3076.82 boost by 2.6k and 14 psi by 3.5 k 500 lb ft by 4.8 k and 600 hp near as damn it!! awesome turbo!!

I used the first one ever last week on bench dyno..

That was with 26mm ported head 25mm ex ,my inlet cam hart plenum and 83lbers..


cheers danny
I don't really know what to do to be honest I was happy with my t4 lol but now it's scrap !!!
Rick may has been on at me to get this jge60 thing since I bought the car and the figures for that are similar to what you just said I'm probbly going to change ill speak to scott@jg when he is back in the uk and see what he says
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Originally Posted by dojj
Danny/luke

Met you both just the once at ep but a few times and the shows, both sound blokes, other than that, I can't comment

Keep you chin up Luke, there's always someone out there who will be looking out for you in your hour of need
Yes dojj i remember you mate..thanks for the kind words and im sure luke will appreciate them too
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North Wales Dan mate, yer this w/end
were going up thursday and back late sunday-monday

round after that is snett

I bet snett falls a fortnight later ah??every other w.end is kids w.end mate!!grr..

Whens the next track day or something??


cheers danny
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I don't really know what to do to be honest I was happy with my t4 lol but now it's scrap !!!
Rick may has been on at me to get this jge60 thing since I bought the car and the figures for that are similar to what you just said I'm probbly going to change ill speak to scott@jg when he is back in the uk and see what he says

Well scot knows his onions so yes good idea..iv heard good things about the jg turbos but never actually used one so cant comment first hand..

The t4s are a great punch and love boost all the way through but honestly once you go gt or similar you will never go back!!



cheers danny
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Originally Posted by 750hp escos
Well scot knows his onions so yes good idea..iv heard good things about the jg turbos but never actually used one so cant comment first hand..

The t4s are a great punch and love boost all the way through but honestly once you go gt or similar you will never go back!!



cheers danny
That's exactly what rick said lol all I know is I'm fooked if I'm gona buy another t4 they are damn expensive ! Modern ball bearing turbo for me please
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21 to 23rd of sept Dan.

I thought you left the navy Rab bud?!?
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Originally Posted by flannigan
That's exactly what rick said lol all I know is I'm fooked if I'm gona buy another t4 they are damn expensive ! Modern ball bearing turbo for me please

Yep thats the way mate!!! good to see someone listening!!lol

depending on engine spec you might need to change cams to suit too as these turbos work different to t4s..

T4 turbos get stronger and stronger on boost and prefer a high revving engine where as the quicker spooling turbos like to peak asap then drop of a bit sooner so a long duration and high lift inlet cam and a short duration smaller lift(even std is great)exhaust cam works awesome..


Also around the 8.0.1-8.3.1 cr ratio is really good with these type turbos and cam set ups..
Makes for a real drivable torquey engine...



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Glad things are looking up Luke.he mapped a pals motor did 497 and has been spot on for him.
I've just got a gtx3076.82 for mine.heard great things on them dan.
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Glad things are looking up Luke.he mapped a pals motor did 497 and has been spot on for him.
I've just got a gtx3076.82 for mine.heard great things on them dan.

Hello mate,was that the mk 1 escort pig??awesome that thing is!!

Yeah its a user of here that we did with the gtx3076..its awesome,5 psi at 2.6k!!mad for a turbo that will go onto 600 hp!!

Your engine will be awesome with one of them..



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21 to 23rd of sept Dan.

I thought you left the navy Rab bud?!?

I did. I work on an ROV support ship now. Same job, no sir shite, no guns, less machinery and nearly double the money

Oh, and instead of 5 or 6 months away at sea, I now do 4 weeks. Then have 4 weeks off. So in reality, I work half the year.


And I don't have to pay tax.










Oh, or national insurance.


I think I've done no bad tbh
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I did. I work on an ROV support ship now. Same job, no sir shite, no guns, less machinery and nearly double the money

Oh, and instead of 5 or 6 months away at sea, I now do 4 weeks. Then have 4 weeks off. So in reality, I work half the year.


And I don't have to pay tax.










Oh, or national insurance.


I think I've done no bad tbh


fucking hell i like the sound of that!!!lol..

Nice one!!!



cheers danny
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Nice one indeed mate, and its all too scarey where the time goes mate :O
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Tell me about it Doug! Didn't even feel like that long ago tbh Until I realised that my daughter was only a newborn when I was down having curry and getting pissed with you lot. And now she's 4!! And wants a fecking Pony And a kitten And a dog
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Tell me about it Doug! Didn't even feel like that long ago tbh Until I realised that my daughter was only a newborn when I was down having curry and getting pissed with you lot. And now she's 4!! And wants a fecking Pony And a kitten And a dog
thats fuck all wait till she hits her teens
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thats fuck all wait till she hits her teens
......then watch out for Chip
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Seems a bit off a witch hint here against Luke and Danny!

Sorry to hear about your problems luke Danny must be a decent lad to stick by u! Hope life's on the up pall!
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Originally Posted by Ima Racing
......then watch out for Chip

Got my shotgun ready Phil
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I went shooting on sat for the first time, was good fun

I hope Chip isn't injured
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I doubt it i had a hit ratio of 40% lol not as bad as some of the others at least..
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......then watch out for Chip
imo you normally come across as a bit of a twat but thats was proper funny!!!
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I doubt it i had a hit ratio of 40% lol not as bad as some of the others at least..
try post offices less range to worry about

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