If you had to make the choice above what would you go for?

Looking at...

2007-2008 407 Coupe, Full Service History, 80-100k, Cloth Interior, 2.0 HDi (136)



Or...
2007 Mondeo ST TDCi, 80-100k, Half leather interior. Would only have it in Performance Blue.

Both around £5000 mark.

I think I'd enjoy owning the coupe more, it's a gorgeous looking car. But I love Mondeo ST's and feel it might be slightly more reliable
Insurance on both is around the £1700 mark (Better than the £2400 I paid for my 406 )

So given the option which would you go for?

 

Mondeo, hands down. French build quality and reliability ?

No thanks.

 

407 Coupe was built on a slower production line to aid build quality. They are build extreamly well so that isn't an issue.

Reliability is my only concern. But I also guess you never hear of injectors or DMFs failing on Pug's

 

Hmmm, maybe....still take the Mondeo myself.

 

Mondeo, I would never own another French car again due to build quality.

 

Dmf's go on every car they're fitted to. They don't last forever.

 

asking on a ford forum i guess your answer will be the mondeo but i must say i quite like the look of the peugeot, only had 1 french car myself which was a new picasso but sold due to problems with electrical system, i would say the value of the pug may drop like a lead baloon compared to the mondeo.

 

Yeah I expect people on here to go for the Mondeo.

Only thing I worry about with the Mondeo is that DMF's go about 130k, which I will be getting close too.
Also the injector failing problem. Don't want a £1000 bill to fix that.

Depreciation isn't an issue as I'l keep probably until it's worth peanuts.
Just fed up of having 10 year old cars that go well but look likie crap. Think it's time (I don't smoke or drink) I bought something I can enjoy.

 

St all day! I've had mine 4.5 yrs and its still going good. Only done 54k. Very good on a long run, 45-50 mpg. I recently did a 12.5hr road trip to wales and back and didn't feel like I'd done an 1hr

 

i have had mondeo tdci never again
hdi are are very good engine as long as they are serviced properly
better engine imo, maybe not as powerfull but far more reliable
on a ford forum people will usualy say the ford.
the peuget will no doubt fall apart but it will start and run

 

Thats where I've got with my current 406. Lots of rattles and knocks, the bodyworks a state but it keeps on chugging, going to Blackpool a week Friday and I don't think twice about weather or not the car will make it. Unlike my Focus which never made it anywhere

The Pug remaps to 185bhp and very rarley do you hear about a DMF failure.
Engines also well proven too. It derives from the HDi in my 10 year old 406 but has a 16v head. And my HDi derives from an indirect diesel engine designed by Peugeot in the 70's!

But a part of me really fancies an ST even though I know I'd prefer a coupe.

Arghhhh

 

you will still get dmf failure but on a pug it will last a lot longer than a tdci
injectors will last yrs and yrs on the pug
pump rarely fail
bottom crank pullys have rubber inside them and oftern rattle but easy to change

 

Yeah had to change my crank pully yesterday and drop the oil funny enough.
Still runs sweet at 10yrs/120k!
Newer HDi's dont get crank pully problems though

 

Are the 2.2's chain driven?

 

Hdi engine is far better than tdci, just as per the rest of the car that covers the engine on the hdi will fall apart

good combo is mondeo st with hdi engine !! win win lol

 

I'm totally torn between the two.

More ST TDCi's about, pleanty about around the £5000 mark on a 07 or 57 plate.
I love the way the ST looks and I love the MK3 Mondeo interior (I have no idea why).
The Mondeo already has good perfrmance at 8.5s to 60 and 135mph.
Then you have the injector and DMF issues.

But...
The 407 Coupe is a stunning looking car, but it's 1.9m wide.
The Coupe also has less common faults but it's 10.1s to 60 and 130mph is much slower then the Mondie.
There is also less of them around at the £5000 mark.


Hmmm...
I wish it was the easy to plonk a HDi in an ST

Something else wich is worrying me is that the Coupe will be a bottom spec model. although this comes with loads and loads of kit. The Mondeo will be top of the rage or there abouts.

 

God that 407 is ugly!

Mondeo is a far better car, but I wouldn't be buying a mid-sized Diesel car full stop, plenty of much better and more exciting cars out there for the cash.

 

Any suggestions?
Can't deal with anything smaller than a Focus.
Must be a diesel.
I'm 19 so insurance plays a massive part in this. For instance I cannot insure an E46 320d (150bhp) and yet insurance on an ST TDCi is pretty reasonable!

 

+1. Just sold my Renault it was just one thing after another, maybe I was unlucky. Pick up the mondeo wednesday

 

Why must it be a Diesel? Unless you do mega-mileage, the savings are usually minimal.

If it really must be a Diesel I'd still be looking German, although I'm really not sure why a 320d would be any more to insure than an ST? I'm sure there'd be nothing in it if you shopped around. If not then any A3 or A4 diesel would be a solid choice.

Or a friend has just bought an Alfa GT JTD and that's a great car. Italian fragility would put some off, but it's a pretty rugged Vauxhall engine in the diesels.

 

I do 60-70 miles a day and sometimes over 100miles a day depending on where I'm driving.
Done 6000miles since january.

I have no idea why 320d's are so much to insure. And I won't have anything over 5 years old so an E46 is out straight away.

I also hate the Vauxhall 1.9CDTi engine. My Old man had a 150 Vectra few years ago and had nowt but trouble!
I wouldn't mind the 2.4 5 cylinder Alfa diesel but I reckon it would be pretty crappy on fuel.

And I find Audis and Volkwagens dull. I looked at a B5.5 4motion about year ago and I went to look at a B6 4motion last week, not a fan!

 

Mondy would be my choice.

 

I can't believe you're 19. I wouldn't be surprised to hear the craziest thing you've ever done was something like washing non-colourfast clothes at 40 degrees?!

Your 'no older than 5 years' rule is ridiculous too... ruling out some fantastic cars for the sake of a number plate?? Or using the twisted logic that a car >5 years old is a ticking time bomb??

Get a grip man, the pug looks pish (mid life crisis material IMO) and is council spec.. the 'deo is far higher spec and way more fun to drive... both cars will cost you money to run and fix because they both fall into the 'used car' category.


Cheers,
Grant

 

no its not its a fiat lump z19 used in alfa jtd fiat saab vauxhall suzuki
i have one im my astra and its got more power than the petrol sri more reliable more mpg

 

If I wanted something 7/8+ years old I'd keep my 406, intercool and remap it (150bhp+) but I want something younger.
Age dosent bother me usually as I'm of the opinion if anythings been maintained well it should last forever.
But I want something younger than what I've already had.

The only German car I would have is an E46/E90 320d MSport but too old and I cannot insure one.

 

Mondeo would be my choice, it's a great all round car, I just don't like FWD!

Although the Ford Derv has problems, all other modern dervs also suffer problems, i.e. DMF etc.

I am just not a fan of French cars, not that I have owned one, the engines always sound 'weezy' to me (Petrol units) and I hate the design on all the later models seen to have, that hideous gaping frogs mouth stuck on the front!

Old Diesel unit's are the reliable ones, the old Ford 1.8D went on for years in endless different models without problems.

Sounds like you had a dodgy Focus as these are endlessly reliable, normally!

Not that I am biased but Ford seem to have everything about right, i.e. build quality reliabilty etc (Excluding the Derv's) if you look at the reliabilty stats, recalls etc.

I don't see Ford having recall warnings on Watchdog, unlike Fiat, Vauxhall etc.

I am not sure if they changed the Diesel engines/fixed the injectors issues etc in the MK4 as I don't take an interest in Diesels but if so, have you thought about one of them?

Although there is no MK4 ST, there will be an equivilant, i.e. the Volvo 5 pot, is the equivilant Petrol MK3 ST!

Martin

 

Mondeo for me.

 

Just been looking at MK4's.
The MK4 2.0 & 2.2 TDCi is actually Peugeots HDi engine.
They are very nice in Titanium X form but I always seem to feel the MK4 looks a little bloated and since the facelift they look very dated.

I am edging towards the Mondie ST now.
Thinking about it logically it's just as good looking, better on fuel and much faster.

 

I bet in another 5 years that 407 will be worth no more than a grand, whereas the mondeo should hold its money better.

My peugeot van is 2 years old and is literally falling to bits around me, like fook would I want to own anything French!!

 

They're both great looking cars
They both have faults
They both have strong points

Honestly, I'd be happy with either. If it was my money I'd go for the Pug simply because the mondeo is too common for my liking.

 

Pmsl.....have to agree you do sound like one boring bastard

 

Now you mention it lol the 1.6 Fiesta Derv is also Peugeot's.

Yes in my opinion thats better, as you get more car for your money, Ford cars are always bigger than the opposition. I liked the original MK4 but then they started adding stupid fairly lights etc to it which made it look chavvy.

Martin

 

Only diesel peugeot I've owned and would ever own is a 306.
Had a 2001 306 meridian hdi estate. Mega reliable, handled well and looked cool in china blue.


Out of the 2 choices it would be the mondeo for me hands down.
The 407 looks awful and will loose ££££'s very quickly.