The march could well have come and gone and only two bit extremists would of taken notice, media and social hysteria have blown it up massively. if you don't care or agree how much easier is it to ignore the insolence of these pricks?

The problem is we internalise deomcracy and carry personal baggage on an incredibly generic setup. It's designed for conflict and segregation, any common ground between parties is trivialised so we can't see the blatant co-running, voting just gives us an almost insultingly small and elaborate part to play when in truth we have no weight to pull in their arena.

We sell out our civil liberties for peace and quiet...and only see how we're getting fucked in hindsight.

 

vote bnp

 

warren mate it is making a difference, after winning seats in the euro elections the other parties realised people aint happy with our immigration system, trouble is most of it isnt controlled by us anymore and they cant do fuck all about it, the conservatives have stated they will try to control immigration so maybe voting bnp is having an effect

 

You must be living under a rock

The average white person will get JSA, the immigrant because of family will get considerably more, and they dont get hassled to get a job.

And it's a true fact that immigrants do get housed, i have been fighting myself with the council through the omdusman as i have been on the waiting list for 12years, and they even told me that the immigrants get have a higher priority!

Before anyone assumes tho, i dont vote bnp as i dont agree with what they stand for, just saying people are angry voting for them out of anger.

 

bet they join a new group !!

do the irish have all this grief with immigration ???

 

Neo-cons just want power and will stack up whatever policies needed for the vote...

We get this piss poor period of change then they backtrack on the lot, happens EVERYTIME!

 

Democracy simply doesnt work on a large scale in a media driven environment.

I think china will probably prove in the longer term that capitalist communism is capable of operating a big country better than democracy can.

The 4 year setup we have over here means that NO long term policy is viable, we instantly castrate the people in power by having the next vote hanging so closely over them and leave them unable to do anything genuinely useful.

 

i do mate

 

Ade, the difference is people with kids or people without kids, and you are making the assumption that white people dont have dependants and that non whites do have. Thats not the case at all, there are literally millions of white people supported by benefits.

Make yourself homeless with a family, the situation the immigrants you are referring to are in, and you will get housed instantly just like they do, its a policy to protect children, not to protect immigrants.

 

This anti immigrant thing is not native to these shores, its spreading all over europe, in australia as well indian students are being murdered which aint good,
i know what the nazis stand for and how evil it is, as stated elsewhere iti s worrying the way this world is going ,as for muslims its up to the moderates to sort their house out or people will turn against them as well, they shouldnt but it aint a perfect world and when emotions run high the shit usually hits the fan

 

yes, but who's country is it lol ? ..if we went to there countries i wouldnt imagine we'd get housed, benifits, supermarket vouchers etc!!

 

Ok maybe so on the benefits side

On the housing side i konw first hand they aren't homeless, they are put into a detention centre then housed from there, a family member used to work there.

 

i think alot more people are swaying towards bnp but are afraid to come forward and admit it or vote

 

Didnt say you was silver spooned meant it in jest as i did with the Mensa and 2.4 bit... which you not said about hmmm something we dont know i think the type of council estates and council areas depend on where you are. you know roughly where i am and its gateway here for dumping the worlds finest i mean scummiest lol. but im not blinkered to think there isnt places like you say and only what i see. places near me had them days too but even them dealers have fucked off now as they are pushed out

i agree with you yes. i dont think it will go that far but i think its got to the point where its worth that risk which is sad to say.

im sure your a local lad to the lets say "heathrow area"? you know what its like now round here

yeh that i would say is glasses of water i think the whole Nazi thing is well interesting always have love ww2 and would love to do a whole course about it all. i think the Nazi scientist were just mind blowing brilliant i think if you look aside the death camp bit. that Hitler done fucking well for a leader planning, rising, and taking over Europe (till he got greedy and shafted himself with the whole russian bit ) like the Roman era

its not at as bad now as it was about 1999 but yeh it was as simple as turn up heres you papers heres your room, money etc till we decide if you should stay or not which could take years and then there is appeal which means longer and sometimes its cheaper to say you can stay. which does/did put UK people on the bottom of the list as the folders used to say "not priority"

 

If i was leader the first think i would do is ban all religions and if you wanted to preach fuck off somewhere else, country would be a lot better for it!!!!

 

The sad thing is its true, if they make it in to our country they get housed in a nice area and some of these people's background is stealing and violence, that cannot have a good result.

If they get caught in france they get f..ked into a concentration camp style place until they get sent back home.

Thats the ticket.

 

at least the german people have the excuse that they only had access to propoganda and the radio news to base thier decisions on. What will be our peoples excuse?

 

quite true, religion causes nothing but war. keep your beliefs to yourself and dont preach to any other fucker

 

Warren i think it would be how fucked it is and no one doing anything about

 

A detention centre isnt a viable long term option, thats still not having a home.

 

This 'band wagon jumping', might it just simply be that a lot of people share the same considered opinion?

I too voted BNP, simply because there's no other political party willing to do anything about the problems of immigration and the gradual watering down of our own culture. The more people that do vote for them will hopefully change the course of 'mainstream' politics!

You could say I'm racist, and maybe I am, but I don't have hatred for someone simply because of their colour or culture, far from it! But I do despise the direction this country's heading in.

 

you don't get rehoused they stick you in a hostal

 

in tiny numbers! just remember sangatte and all the other immigrant ghetto camps and try and honestly tell me the french government didnt know about them? they knowingly turned a blind eye allowing it because they knew the immigrants would fuck off out of france to the UK. would they tolerate similar camps in UK with immiigrants coming to france? Would they hell.

 

true, but now you have to factor in oil


as a note, i think it is wrong to preach form of religion to any child, wait until they are old enough to understand the implications of it, then they can make a reasonable choice on thier own future.

 

Voting bnp is a wasted vote, there's only ever been two horses in the race, all voting for any one else does is split the vote. It will never make a difference to who is running this gaff.

David Cameron announced yesterday when he gets into power he's shutting the door to immigrants and so called asylum seekers and for that reason alone i will be voting conservative.

I am not in any way racist but i cant stand the country's attitude towards shit like this.

 

The govenment could kill the bnp vote in one hit if they sorted out our immigration mess but europe controls most of our borders now so there is fuck all they can do with the poles etc, they were one of only a few countries in europe who put no cap on it so its their own fault

everyone i know who votes bnp does it for the same reasons as me, a protest vote to make the govenment listen, not our fault the thick cunts still dont get the message, get control back in our borders and im sure the bnp would become totally insignificant

 

Hitler achieved very little in terms of improvement in GDP, he made a section of the population feel more wealthy as a result of printing cash off left right and chelsea without any reserves to underline the currency and by stealing from and enslaving another massive portion of society.
Any society based on providing for some people by enslaving others is bound to result in some people having a nice life.
All the "massive improvements" hitler appeared to be making were tricks and cons and totally unsustainable.

If I got in absolute power tomorrow I could make everyone in the country feel rich for a few years at the expense of their future, especially if I could enslave masses of people to do it, its the easiest thing in the world.
He was a great public speaker and a great manipulator, but ive never seen any evidence to suggest he had the feigntest clue how to actually run a country well, I think the communists in china are doing a far better job of improving life for the masses under them than hitler ever did.

 

cossiejay if your a normal decent person, yes you get stuck in a hostel. if your a benefit scum chav cunt or pikey cunts then you get stuck in a house as a priority due to the shit and hassle you cause at the hostel so the comparison still holds valid.

It doesnt matter if your immigrant or not but if your decent and hard working your likely to get fucked, where as if your a sponging cunt then youll play the system to get what you want

 

If you have dependants you then relatively quickly get moved into a house.
If you dont, then the system does little for you, irrelevant of skin colour.

As i said, its having kids that makes you a priority.

 

dentention centres tend to be the holding for people with out paper work of who they are or where there from. they then get housed in a house with normally about a few others maybe share a room unless there under 16 then they get there own room. they all have there own fridge and tv is optional. even if thats 5 to a house yes that means 5 fridges which i think is stupid as. this is all while there in the process of being allowed to stay here or get told to feck off. they do get vouchers for food and or money and money to spend and free eduction. there is a lot more but you get the jist

though the chinky lot tend to get here, get put in these homes and then do a runner and your never see them again.

 

From outside of europe he can, but not from eu citizens so nothing will change

 

Definitely, it's always clearly counter intuitive even to a layman yet they're bare faced in making it vastly important and life defining. Only by fear mongering as much as they do, do they show how incredibly scared they are of us en mass...it really wouldn't take much to make them change all this, their economy is the fruits of this control, go at that they'll be crippled. We shouldn't be petitioning them on little issues they should be begging us for the oppurtunity of control.

Little fact here for those considering themselves valued voters or recognised citizens; we all have a serial number on our birth certificates (getting microchips now shock horror). Go onto the US stock exchange and any given serial number has a valued stock, we're currency.

China shows an effective method, but also deomstrates how oppressive things needs to be to operate 'succesfully' in modern times (media/economy driven as you say). Socially it's almost robotic already there...

 

Agreed, its far from utopia, but it does seem to be making good progress generally compared to countries run by democracy, and the good progress largely does benefit the mass population from what I can tell.

 

i would like to have seen the grand plan seen out. i dont mean i would of wanted the Nazi's to have won i mean if you could play out what would of happened if they did take over ( i know you and me wouldnt be here etc). you know the whole finished Germania type thing with all the architecture done the underground roads, and what would be next etc. and the scientist put to full use and plans put into realisty stealth planes they trying to do, ufo thing lol etc

and yeh the chinkys have played it out well over the years to how people think and what they do see etc. though i think one day that will pop and people will get that freedom. though it will be messy

 

fully agree

i my view there is no such thing as democracy in the truest sense, it is just another word for capitalism

 

They had huge dreams and utterly no way of really seeing them through other than theft and slavery, I believe that cost is too high, and I would beleive that even more if it was me that was one of the slaves, as would you.

Like I said, if you enslave large numbers of people you can achieve a lot, you dont need to be clever to do so.

and german scientists achieved if anything less than their uk and us counterparts as far as im aware, they were nothing special they were just given access to people to experiment on, the japanese were doing that far more effectively though in terms of developing chemical weapons by testing them on chinese civilians etc, not a good thing though IMHO and not worth the moral price paid.

 

i agree with chip about communism in china. they dont have problems implementing long term policys there! I think in an ideal world you would have a democratic system that allows a party long enough in office to actually make longterm decisions.

sadly what a lot of people dont understand is that sorting a country out means unpopular decisions which are in the interests of the greater good. but the majority of voters would never vote for that because they are too shortsighted to see that far ahead and understand that society as a whole is greater than them as an individual. people generally vote either out of anger or for policies that will benefit them in thier small little part of suberbia in the near future.

A good example of the concept is pensions, tell people they need to save each month now for when they retire and some will do it but a very signigicant proportion will not because they cant see that far ahead or they are stupid and just think theyd have money now. obviously some cant afford to save. Thats the situation this country is facing pension wise for most of us, and wether we like it or not, government coffers can only afford to pension those on the breadline who cant afford pensions. the rest of us will have to save. like it or lump it. Its that simple. but too many silly idiots look at the past at everyone whose got state pension and get upset saying "why shouldnt i have one too." not reallising the fact there is no choice because government funds are limited in a massively growing OAP population.

Thats just one example where the average joe would be pissed off and feel hard dumbyed yet the reality is the policy is necessary for the greater good.

Sadly our political system is just not set up to incentivfy politicians to do long term policys like that on a whole range of issues!

 

but surely thats the point.

you and i can see the moral obligations of something like this


but despots, and extreme radicals see it as another weapon?
standing aside, if a regime can abloish these so called groups, then wouldn't that be better for the whole?

 

Good. This is England!!! They want the UK to be a Muslim country? Never Gonna Happen!!!

 

Chip i dont meanso much the ones that used the camps for there science more the others for the Supersonic things and rockets,, jet aircraft, guided missiles, stealth, armour, etc.

The USA took a lot of them at the ending and after the war. Most went to NASA that they did take. V1 rocket etc. i think the space race wouldnt of happened as it did with out them.

Also it is rumoured the Nazi's were the first to find a link about lung cancer and cigarette smoking. though dont take much to think it aint good for ya lol

i need to quote more often too many people post inbetween