T66 power - super unleaded / solid lifters
24-10-2006, 12:48 PM
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Mike / Mark or any other peeps in the know.
If the cell Temp sensor was put in the Airfilter to Turbo (to measure the intake temp's before the turbo)
Wouldn't that be best? as then it will correct from the true air temp.
Also Why isn't the ACT's never ploted on the data chart?
If the cell Temp sensor was put in the Airfilter to Turbo (to measure the intake temp's before the turbo)
Wouldn't that be best? as then it will correct from the true air temp.
Also Why isn't the ACT's never ploted on the data chart?
24-10-2006, 12:50 PM
#124
Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
...why not 1. Jullian Godfrey or 2. Karl Norris or 3. Turbosystems Mike?
.2. Doesn't use an engine dyno.
3. As above.
In my opinion, you HAVE to use an engine dyno.
However, Karl would be my third choice
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24-10-2006, 12:54 PM
#125
Originally Posted by fiesta cossie
Also Why isn't the ACT's never ploted on the data chart?
Originally Posted by MAD YUM
Mike!!
So your not going to take Mark up on his offer then??
Well as soon as YUM is back on road will get it timed and then we will all see that the figures quoted must be fact and no Arse Dyno figures
So your not going to take Mark up on his offer then??
Well as soon as YUM is back on road will get it timed and then we will all see that the figures quoted must be fact and no Arse Dyno figures
.
24-10-2006, 12:54 PM
#126
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Originally Posted by MAD YUM
Mike!!
So your not going to take Mark up on his offer then??
So your not going to take Mark up on his offer then??
Even better,
Decide the a rough spec both side's need to follow,
Say - GT35, 2.0ltr, running 7.5 - 8.0 :1 c/r, 2.5bar boost. Shell V max Super unleaded.
Then one day place them on Harvey's dyno, and do a full power plot for both engines,
using same zorst, and setting on dyno.
Then next day do the same on Simon's dyno.
Then your'll see power plots for both engine's on both cells
24-10-2006, 12:56 PM
#127
Originally Posted by fiesta cossie
Originally Posted by MAD YUM
Mike!!
So your not going to take Mark up on his offer then??
So your not going to take Mark up on his offer then??
Even better,
Decide the a rough spec both side's need to follow,
Say - GT35, 2.0ltr, running 7.5 - 8.0 :1 c/r, 2.5bar boost. Shell V max Super unleaded.
Then one day place them on Harvey's dyno, and do a full power plot for both engines,
using same zorst, and setting on dyno.
Then next day do the same on Simon's dyno.
Then your'll see power plots for both engine's on both cells
24-10-2006, 12:57 PM
#128
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Not if the owner of each engine pays for 1 run each,
and then the tuner/builder pays for the other run.
Ps, another agreed factor, is the AFR, say 12.3:1 thro out the rev's.
and then the tuner/builder pays for the other run.
Ps, another agreed factor, is the AFR, say 12.3:1 thro out the rev's.
24-10-2006, 01:20 PM
#131
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by fiesta cossie
Also Why isn't the ACT's never ploted on the data chart?
Originally Posted by MAD YUM
Mike!!
So your not going to take Mark up on his offer then??
Well as soon as YUM is back on road will get it timed and then we will all see that the figures quoted must be fact and no Arse Dyno figures
So your not going to take Mark up on his offer then??
Well as soon as YUM is back on road will get it timed and then we will all see that the figures quoted must be fact and no Arse Dyno figures
.Mark said hell would have to freeze over before one of his engines goes near Harvey's dyno. Can you not read
How about Harvey dyno's your new spec engine, and then Mark as stated will pay for it to go on his choice of dyno? Seems fair
24-10-2006, 02:46 PM
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So all that hassle and expense to prove what exactly? One particular band of tuner friends is 'righter' than another LOL
The internet really has a lot to answer for!
On a slightly different note, Tony's car was quick before, so christ knows what it will be like now. MORE than enough for him, I'm sure he will agree himself after he's seen what it can do at Mondello.
The question you should all be asking is, will it be enough to keep up with a little white XR2! PMSL!!!!
The internet really has a lot to answer for!
On a slightly different note, Tony's car was quick before, so christ knows what it will be like now. MORE than enough for him, I'm sure he will agree himself after he's seen what it can do at Mondello.
The question you should all be asking is, will it be enough to keep up with a little white XR2! PMSL!!!!
24-10-2006, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by PF Dave
So all that hassle and expense to prove what exactly? One particular band of tuner friends is 'righter' than another LOL
The internet really has a lot to answer for!
The internet really has a lot to answer for!
It should prove if all these figures are true, and no one's quoting Bu--shit figures.
And lets be fair, there's alot of them around.
May be Dave, you could make it a feature.
24-10-2006, 02:57 PM
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It won't prove anything, as whose dyno is correct to take the comparison from in the first place? Nevermind the change in pressure and temperature from one day to a next...
I know it would be interesting, but whoever gets the lower readings will then be known as the dyno that reads low. But was it the other dyno that reads high and the low one was actually correct?
I know it would be interesting, but whoever gets the lower readings will then be known as the dyno that reads low. But was it the other dyno that reads high and the low one was actually correct?
24-10-2006, 03:03 PM
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Fair point,
But each tuner thinks they are the best, and there power is best,
And if the engines get dyno'd in the same cell, on the same day, it will prove that.
But each tuner thinks they are the best, and there power is best,
And if the engines get dyno'd in the same cell, on the same day, it will prove that.
24-10-2006, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Cell temps give the correction factor, so should really be shown on the sheet. With artificially high temps (due to a possibly wrongly positioned sensor), it can give excessively high torque figures due to the correction factor 
.
This is NOT a dig at Simon or Mark, it is a factual comment. Harvey went all through this when he was developing his dyno cell at his first premises and it took a while before he got everything set up as it should be, purely because when he installed his dyno originally, it was all new to him as well.
I could have INSTANTLY bumped up the torque figures of this T66 engine, by manually over-riding the dyno cell sensor and just changing the cell temperatures to a fictionally high amount (the computer would have then increased the power / torque readings for temperature correction). I could then remove the temps from the sheet (as you can choose what parameters to display - as can be seen from what Yum's is showing) and then posted these up instead
.
This would then have appeased the people screaming at the low torque figures, but would not have been an accurate representation.
I even know of one dyno operator who deliberately mounts the sensor close to the engine, to pick up the heat from this, so that it is always giving a high out-put (23°C in January
).
However, when you see a T34 making 450lbft of torque, you know something is amiss.
And just so that people know, if Harvey gave up Cossies tomorrow or was run-over or something similar (God forbid ), then it would be a toss-up between Mark and Martin who got my work - THAT is how highly I think of Mark 
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.This is NOT a dig at Simon or Mark, it is a factual comment. Harvey went all through this when he was developing his dyno cell at his first premises and it took a while before he got everything set up as it should be, purely because when he installed his dyno originally, it was all new to him as well.
I could have INSTANTLY bumped up the torque figures of this T66 engine, by manually over-riding the dyno cell sensor and just changing the cell temperatures to a fictionally high amount (the computer would have then increased the power / torque readings for temperature correction). I could then remove the temps from the sheet (as you can choose what parameters to display - as can be seen from what Yum's is showing) and then posted these up instead
. This would then have appeased the people screaming at the low torque figures, but would not have been an accurate representation
.I even know of one dyno operator who deliberately mounts the sensor close to the engine, to pick up the heat from this, so that it is always giving a high out-put (23°C in January
).However, when you see a T34 making 450lbft of torque, you know something is amiss
.And just so that people know, if Harvey gave up Cossies tomorrow or was run-over or something similar (God forbid
), then it would be a toss-up between Mark and Martin who got my work - THAT is how highly I think of Mark . or did you forget that one and now say you meant both ,If you look at Daves dyno graph it shows the correction
however the one you posted does not so you are not showing the details here also and you have the balls to say my figs are optimised for output when you one doesnt show this,You can work out the uncorrected figs by the correction factor on my graph
where you cant on yours ,But this is meaningless as working from uncorrected means nothing or we would dyno our engines in the winter and on the right baro day
.Mark
24-10-2006, 04:28 PM
#141
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Originally Posted by fiesta cossie
Originally Posted by MAD YUM
Mike!!
So your not going to take Mark up on his offer then??
So your not going to take Mark up on his offer then??
Even better,
Decide the a rough spec both side's need to follow,
Say - GT35, 2.0ltr, running 7.5 - 8.0 :1 c/r, 2.5bar boost. Shell V max Super unleaded.
Then one day place them on Harvey's dyno, and do a full power plot for both engines,
using same zorst, and setting on dyno.
Then next day do the same on Simon's dyno.
Then your'll see power plots for both engine's on both cells
But as I said Hell would freeze over taking to the other place
Mark
24-10-2006, 04:40 PM
#142
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Originally Posted by justin.e
so Mark having a go at me because I choose to run a t4 with webber has anthing to do with healthy conversation
The dig if you call it that was at MR T4 and Weber Rainbird that hasnt seen or tells everyone the dyno over reads when he see's a GT turbo and Autronic management,
Just remember He sells Stuff just like I do and this affects sales
BTW I have a workshop full 
of Autronic and GT turbo Escorts at the moment so I dont need to grab sales from anywere 
.Mark
24-10-2006, 04:45 PM
#143
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by fiesta cossie
Also Why isn't the ACT's never ploted on the data chart?
Originally Posted by MAD YUM
Mike!!
So your not going to take Mark up on his offer then??
Well as soon as YUM is back on road will get it timed and then we will all see that the figures quoted must be fact and no Arse Dyno figures
So your not going to take Mark up on his offer then??
Well as soon as YUM is back on road will get it timed and then we will all see that the figures quoted must be fact and no Arse Dyno figures
.Mark
24-10-2006, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by madevelopments
BTW I have a workshop full of Autronic and GT turbo Escorts AND A SERIOUS ZETEC TURBO ENGINE at the moment so I dont need to grab sales from anywere .
Mark
of Autronic and GT turbo Escorts AND A SERIOUS ZETEC TURBO ENGINE at the moment so I dont need to grab sales from anywere .Mark
24-10-2006, 06:39 PM
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Sorry about the following but:
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you
24-10-2006, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Sorry about the following but:
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you
Maybe you should re read the posts and any of my others, I only make a post like this when someone questions my engines 
I have nothing to hide hence my offer also do you see any of my cars being slow thought not this proves I am no bullshit merchant Mark
24-10-2006, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by r5jame5
the car only as fast as the driver .never seen a maddevelopments car out on track only heard about the straight liners .
24-10-2006, 07:39 PM
#152
Dear Mr Rainbird.
I dont care what Mark says but I personally want you at my Dyno session & the cell Temps will be set to what you want, perhaps you can discuss you Knowledge with Simon, im sure hes willing to learn from an Expert like you.
Is their any other Doubter that think our figure are fudged if so just say why & Mike will take what you say when he sets up the Dyno cell.
Like I always put my car where my Mouth is , im prepared to let someone who has accused Mark of cheating see that all is fair & above board.
I trust Mike will then appologise on this Forum for totally grasping at straws to find a solution to why Marks cars produce Torque.
Rod
ps Mike, this outburst really does show, just how far you think Mark is superior to your geezer. Its so funny.
I dont care what Mark says but I personally want you at my Dyno session & the cell Temps will be set to what you want, perhaps you can discuss you Knowledge with Simon, im sure hes willing to learn from an Expert like you.
Is their any other Doubter that think our figure are fudged if so just say why & Mike will take what you say when he sets up the Dyno cell.
Like I always put my car where my Mouth is , im prepared to let someone who has accused Mark of cheating see that all is fair & above board.
I trust Mike will then appologise on this Forum for totally grasping at straws to find a solution to why Marks cars produce Torque.
Rod
ps Mike, this outburst really does show, just how far you think Mark is superior to your geezer. Its so funny.
24-10-2006, 07:42 PM
#153
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Sorry about the following but:
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you
24-10-2006, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by r5jame5
the car only as fast as the driver .never seen a maddevelopments car out on track only heard about the straight liners .
Kev Atkins with his MAD Evo does a lot of track days, been out with him at Brunters, excellent driver !!
24-10-2006, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by madevelopments
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Sorry about the following but:
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you
Maybe you should re read the posts and any of my others, I only make a post like this when someone questions my engines I have nothing to hide hence my offer also do you see any of my cars being slow thought not this proves I am no bullshit merchant Mark
I can understand why people are questioning your engines, they seem to beat everything by miles both on figures and torque wise, BUT instead off blowing up then let your engines show what they are worth?
NOTHING beats the clock
And by the way, i HAVE read all your post
24-10-2006, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by madevelopments
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Sorry about the following but:
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you
Maybe you should re read the posts and any of my others, I only make a post like this when someone questions my engines I have nothing to hide hence my offer also do you see any of my cars being slow thought not this proves I am no bullshit merchant Mark
I can understand why people are questioning your engines, they seem to beat everything by miles both on figures and torque wise, BUT instead off blowing up then let your engines show what they are worth?
NOTHING beats the clock
And by the way, i HAVE read all your post
24-10-2006, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CossieRich
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Sorry about the following but:
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you
I have only writen how this looks like from the "outside", still not saying that MAD hides ANYTHING, just this "MAD CAMP" against the rest is pretty sad
24-10-2006, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by r5jame5
mad yum hi mate just a quick question will you be doing some track days in the car when its done i would love to see it out on track
When l took over the conversion from Ranj he had a GT40 have now sold that for a better turbo down the rev range. So hopefully yes once the Suspension mods are sorted.