rapidcossie

nowt wrong with T4's!

have mine coming in quicker than a t38 on standard compression now

Mark Shead

Thats because you have a Good engine and management now stick a GT35 on it you know you want to

Mark

rapidcossie

have already discussed as much with alan...

reackon the engine would have to come to pieces again for anymore power.

upgradeds needed on oil system and cooling issues.

car is in for exhaust now and hoping to see 430-440 ATW.

Martin-Hadland

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Rod,
The guy without a doubt has a powerful car but does that automatically mean that he is duty bound to prove it against a MAD offering and if not it's bullshit? Get a grip man... you are possessed
Martoon.
p.s. If the figures are low does that mean Harveys dyno under reads?

Dannn

For someone who comes across as quite knowledgeable I can't beleive you actually wrote that rubbish!LOL

Anonymous

.. ...his pet is a Vauxhall man..i would never trust anything he says after he favours a complete CHIMP over ME...lost my respect the day he banned me. ..Not that he cares..too wrapped up being one dimensional..a spade is a spade to him.

dovboy

lucky u r good with the cossie's mark cos i think rod would have put the nail in your coffin long ago with the constant mad this mad that
you did 200 odd rod

now ffs let it go man

CossieRich

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Mike,

It doesnt matter what dyno that engine goes on. T66 turbo 2.3 bar and 600 bhp, you should sail past 500 lb/ft. For sure there will be different read-outs at each dyno, but while this engine has the horses it doesnt make the torque

adamski frst

and heres me gonna be happy with a MAD 350bhp maybe i should be looking into gaining another 200bhp

Franco

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Now here's a fight i'd be up for!

Harvey lad against a MADette homo!

Jay,

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the wanker wars have begun cant someone post a graph without havin the shit kicked out of it

CossieRich

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It would seem not Jay. You cant even ask a question either

Franco

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justin.e

I can't believe the shit that gets posted on here
Mike stuck up the dyno sheets and pics of Tonys car and new engine for people that are interested and the knob jockeys jump on the band wagon If you ain't got nothing good to say well then dont bother saying it

Rod,
you really need to get a grip!!

CossieRich

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Thats all depends on who and why you think are knob jockeys? Surely there is no problem in asking why a car that makes 600 bhp only makes 460 lb/ft? Unless of course i am a band wagon jumper for asking, which is why i specifically said i am asking out of pure interest

Phil

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I think you said it to get at SCS because you are a MADette. You wouldn't have been asking this if it was a MAD engine making those figures, you would be the one saying "why do people always have to have a go and argue.."

Cossie Helen

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Oh ffs

CossieRich

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Unfortunately you are very wrong as I actually get on very well with Mike, so i wouldnt want offend him in anyway. If it was a MAD engine i would just ask Mark why, but seeing as it isnt and i dont know Harvey, but i do know Mike i asked the question. If you read my 2nd post on this thread, i said i was asking out of pure interest as I want to know if there is a reason. Do a search for a MAD engine with a graph posted and look at Mike questioning Mark about various different things to do with the outcome of the dyno session.

CossieRich

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Helen, dont bite.

Mike Rainbird

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I meant no offence by my post, and was not meant as a diss .

However, it is a simple fact that if the dynos don't have the same settings, then they will read differently.

If you want to be open about it, why not get Simon to tell you the settings he uses, and then post them up .

The offer is also open for you to bring one of your engines to Harvey's for a comparison figure, hopefully this winter will be cold enough .

Please don't turn this into a slanging match, as that was not my intention .

As to your comments Phil, as far as I am concerned, that was way out of order and you have shown your true colours to me.

Cossie Helen

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I'm not biting pmsl


Just showing with smileys what i think of the thread

CossieRich

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Mike,

Without trying to turn this into a war with the likes of Phil (not boschman) thinking they know what they are talking about, if that engine was to make say 50 lb/ft toruque more on antoher dyno which figure is actually a true representation of that engine? I know its hypothetical as the engine is in the car now and wont be on another dyno, but still you get the jist?

justin.e

the pics etc were posted on the board so people can have a look at a different project.Iam sure most people have never seen this car before?!
I think it would be much less hastle just to let people read about these cars in the mags

yrkesman

Have you noticed that these forums are usually called discussion forums? I think best part about these forums is that there is people that can and do question these things so that we all can have healty conversiation and hopefully learn something new at the same time.

Anonymous

Mike learn to be able to take critisism...you give it out enuff..especially to me!...Nothing wrong in what i said...i just forgot the ..it was late...Just shows how important those smilies are you homo

justin.e

so Mark having a go at me because I choose to run a t4 with webber has anthing to do with healthy conversation

Anonymous

..you imagine what he says about me on L8 and GT35

justin.e

just out of interest as Iam trying to understand what Mike has posted,Mark could you put up Yum's dyno sheet(if he doesnt mind)with the dyno cell temps please??

CossieRich

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Justin:

Page 2 of this thread are the graphs:

https://passionford.com/forum/viewto...asc&highlight=

Mr Brannen

I thought I was the only one thinking that there

Franco

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Nah mate, its just some people can be more subtle than others!

justin.e

CossieRich,
in order to see what way the figure has been corrected you need two pieces of info the first is barametric pressure and the other is the dyno cell temp.The dyno cell temp is not shown on the dyno sheets that you have given the link for thats why I was asking Mark for them or if Dave has them???tnx

Porkie

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Either stand by your comments or apologise for them!

Don't be a saddo and make out they were a joke

WEAK way out

Anonymous

Porkie for a so called mature man you dont alf act childish with these constant snipes which i will just return elsewhere..so do yourself a favour and STFU....i made my feelings to you yesterday clear but you were too babyish to reply...the olive branch has been permanately severed.

Mike Rainbird

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Cell temps give the correction factor, so should really be shown on the sheet. With artificially high temps (due to a possibly wrongly positioned sensor), it can give excessively high torque figures due to the correction factor .

This is NOT a dig at Simon or Mark, it is a factual comment. Harvey went all through this when he was developing his dyno cell at his first premises and it took a while before he got everything set up as it should be, purely because when he installed his dyno originally, it was all new to him as well.

I could have INSTANTLY bumped up the torque figures of this T66 engine, by manually over-riding the dyno cell sensor and just changing the cell temperatures to a fictionally high amount (the computer would have then increased the power / torque readings for temperature correction). I could then remove the temps from the sheet (as you can choose what parameters to display - as can be seen from what Yum's is showing) and then posted these up instead .

This would then have appeased the people screaming at the low torque figures, but would not have been an accurate representation .

I even know of one dyno operator who deliberately mounts the sensor close to the engine, to pick up the heat from this, so that it is always giving a high out-put (23°C in January ).

However, when you see a T34 making 450lbft of torque, you know something is amiss .

And just so that people know, if Harvey gave up Cossies tomorrow or was run-over or something similar (God forbid ), then it would be a toss-up between Mark and Martin who got my work - THAT is how highly I think of Mark .

Anonymous

...Mikes nose has just grown 3 inchs.

Mike Rainbird

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Who else is there that knows what they are doing - it's a no-brainer, you would have no choice (IMO), but to use one of those. I certainly would NOT even consider using anyone else.