Engine is running
29-08-2006, 07:13 PM
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Engine is running
..after installing FPR and oil pressure gauges..oh and the EEC4 plenum cover 
..never seen oil pressure like it...fooking 85psi at idle when cold
...Hi pressure pump?
After getting to drive this car a while i am more disliking the greys setup...its an old style map..so fuel consumption is crap driving round town...co is about 10% ...and the L6 is shite for throttle response....roll on L8 and 1000cc injectors 
..never seen oil pressure like it...fooking 85psi at idle when cold
...Hi pressure pump?
After getting to drive this car a while i am more disliking the greys setup...its an old style map..so fuel consumption is crap driving round town...co is about 10%
...and the L6 is shite for throttle response....roll on L8 and 1000cc injectors
29-08-2006, 07:33 PM
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Simon i doubt it will melt at how rich it is,more like flood Infact you have to hold it at 3k until the plugs warm up to stop fouling The old school days. 
Its safe enuff,have all gear to moniter it
Infact you have to hold it at 3k until the plugs warm up to stop fouling The old school days. Its safe enuff,have all gear to moniter it
29-08-2006, 07:33 PM
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I thought you had grown out of gauges ??? lol
an oil lamp to tell you the engine was already fukked was all you needed the other night ..
still, fukkin ace motor though!
an oil lamp to tell you the engine was already fukked was all you needed the other night ..
still, fukkin ace motor though!
29-08-2006, 07:35 PM
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pee vee..i know i know..i had gauges there looking at me and bank holiday monday 
So they went in
Pennywise.....map is comming courtesy of Karl ...just looking for the cheapest GT35 setup
So they went in Pennywise.....map is comming courtesy of Karl
...just looking for the cheapest GT35 setup
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Originally Posted by MAD YUM
Oh dear its going to end in tears
Dave, for once I will back Phil on this and dont see why it should go
wrong as long as he does what he says he is doing.
29-08-2006, 07:45 PM
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PMSL @ this post.
I thought you were going to say "on a GT35" or something like that
When in fact you had an engine that was running, you fitted a new fuel pressure reg and a new plenum and it still runs, its hardly news worthy
Looking forward to hearing about it on the GT35 setup when you have it done though, any plans to take it to either a set of rollers or brunters to see what its actually putting out?
I thought you were going to say "on a GT35" or something like that
When in fact you had an engine that was running, you fitted a new fuel pressure reg and a new plenum and it still runs, its hardly news worthy
Looking forward to hearing about it on the GT35 setup when you have it done though, any plans to take it to either a set of rollers or brunters to see what its actually putting out?
29-08-2006, 07:49 PM
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Chip its news....had a few issues with the new setup..cause of old map.
Yum...never had an engine blow ....so no tears..as i moniter my engines
...the thing is i dont hide if anything goes wrong its a bonus..as new thread
Yum...never had an engine blow
....so no tears..as i moniter my engines ...the thing is i dont hide if anything goes wrong its a bonus..as new thread
29-08-2006, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Chip its news....had a few issues with the new setup..cause of old map.
Yum...never had an engine blow ....so no tears..as i moniter my engines
...the thing is i dont hide if anything goes wrong its a bonus..as new thread
Yum...never had an engine blow
....so no tears..as i moniter my engines ...the thing is i dont hide if anything goes wrong its a bonus..as new thread
What issues?
Is it on the same map now as it was before?
If so its a shame you changed the FPR as well or it would have made for some really interesting comparitive data (assuming the map was safe enough on both setups) to have done 6000rpm at 2 bar on both plenums and see how the AFR changed between them as it would have shown you which one flowed better and how much by, rather than just taking other peoples word for it etc
29-08-2006, 07:55 PM
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...issues of..i got a massive spec engine and on MAD previous setup it was running a higher fuel pressure to compensate the xtra air consumption..and i have no idea what it was set at....but Mark is gonna tell me when i send old FPR as i cant test 2wd pressure.
Plus fouling plugs issue!
As said roll on GT35!
..and yes it will be doin things.
Plus fouling plugs issue!
As said roll on GT35!
..and yes it will be doin things.
29-08-2006, 08:03 PM
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Phil, you should have just asked for advice mate!
All you needed to do was have it idling till you got a steady AFR reading out of it on the old FPR (still on old plenum)
Then take it out and note the AFR at 6000rpm @ 2 bar or whatever
Then change to new FPR, and adjust till you got the same steady AFR at idle, and problem solved you have (to within a few psi) the same pressure, which you can then adjust to get the same at 6000@2 bar and you know that its almost identical then
Then change the plenum over, run it up on the same chip and at the point the AFR starts to lean out a touch you know you have just found the point at which it flows better, obviously then richen it up a touch from there.
These things are really straightforward if you have a methodical approach and you would have learnt a lot more about the relative flow of the two plenums too
All you needed to do was have it idling till you got a steady AFR reading out of it on the old FPR (still on old plenum)
Then take it out and note the AFR at 6000rpm @ 2 bar or whatever
Then change to new FPR, and adjust till you got the same steady AFR at idle, and problem solved you have (to within a few psi) the same pressure, which you can then adjust to get the same at 6000@2 bar and you know that its almost identical then
Then change the plenum over, run it up on the same chip and at the point the AFR starts to lean out a touch you know you have just found the point at which it flows better, obviously then richen it up a touch from there.
These things are really straightforward if you have a methodical approach and you would have learnt a lot more about the relative flow of the two plenums too
30-08-2006, 09:22 AM
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..surge..what surge?
..have no clue really mate..i would think i may get a flutter at 5-6k revs..not sure really but you will all be the first to know!!!
..will be very interesting to see how it goes...it will be a fairly safe map from the ignition side so not running full potential until its tweaked..have all monitering equipment so cant really blow to be fair.
..have no clue really mate..i would think i may get a flutter at 5-6k revs..not sure really but you will all be the first to know!!!
..will be very interesting to see how it goes...it will be a fairly safe map from the ignition side so not running full potential until its tweaked..have all monitering equipment so cant really blow to be fair.
30-08-2006, 11:56 AM
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Re: Engine is running
Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
..after installing FPR and oil pressure gauges..oh and the EEC4 plenum cover
..never seen oil pressure like it...fooking 85psi at idle when cold
...Hi pressure pump?
After getting to drive this car a while i am more disliking the greys setup...its an old style map..so fuel consumption is crap driving round town...co is about 10% ...and the L6 is shite for throttle response....roll on L8 and 1000cc injectors
..never seen oil pressure like it...fooking 85psi at idle when cold
...Hi pressure pump?
After getting to drive this car a while i am more disliking the greys setup...its an old style map..so fuel consumption is crap driving round town...co is about 10%
...and the L6 is shite for throttle response....roll on L8 and 1000cc injectors get the car to msd and get their 850cc siemens injectors in it and get it live mapped on a l8.they have just done mine and its flying now.
30-08-2006, 12:18 PM
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...karl will send me an off the shelf map with a couple of degrees ignition retard over a std map....the fuel map will be virtually spot on...all in his opinion..and as i got all monitering equipment i can tweak it fot ultimate safety...i am yet to decide what happens after..all depends on my plans
30-08-2006, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CossieRich
Phil,
whats wrong with the throttle repsonse on a L6?
whats wrong with the throttle repsonse on a L6?
in all seriousness though,when i upgraded to L8 the difference was amazing,so much more dosile at low speeds,smoother pulling out of junctions,and definitely felt smoother when going back on the throttle..also had a lot less black smoke with L8 when jumping back on the throttle
30-08-2006, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
...issues of..i got a massive spec engine .
ported head, cams and low comp???
30-08-2006, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bud-weis
Originally Posted by CossieRich
Phil,
whats wrong with the throttle repsonse on a L6?
whats wrong with the throttle repsonse on a L6?
in all seriousness though,when i upgraded to L8 the difference was amazing,so much more dosile at low speeds,smoother pulling out of junctions,and definitely felt smoother when going back on the throttle..also had a lot less black smoke with L8 when jumping back on the throttle
(Not saying there can´t be a difference between the two.)
Bosch-Man:
Why go GT-35 and ruin the car´s drivability totally? You also need to change the inlet and everything again to make use of that turbo.
Lars.
30-08-2006, 01:15 PM
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I believe L6 has less resolution on the map.
I already think L8 is too restricted really compared to modern ECU's, so i certainly wouldnt want to go any less.
Porkie, i did think that but was worried Phil would take it personally if i pointed out the obvious that his spec is pretty tame in the grand scheme of things, its not like its dry sumped on a custom crank and rods and running nikosil liners etc
As far as i can gather from whats been posted its:
standard lifters
standard block
standard crank
standard rods
standard pistons (machined a little)
standard valves
standard sump
standard oil pump with a firmer spring
standard dizzy arrangement
ported head
hotter cams
probably a decent head gasket
As you and me both well know though, the standard engine is so good that it really doesnt mean that spec wont be good for some pretty monster power (500bhp+ seems very realistic) but it does make you wonder what Phil would think about the various engines some of us build in terms of how "massive" their spec was in terms of the number of modified parts!
I already think L8 is too restricted really compared to modern ECU's, so i certainly wouldnt want to go any less.
Porkie, i did think that but was worried Phil would take it personally if i pointed out the obvious that his spec is pretty tame in the grand scheme of things, its not like its dry sumped on a custom crank and rods and running nikosil liners etc
As far as i can gather from whats been posted its:
standard lifters
standard block
standard crank
standard rods
standard pistons (machined a little)
standard valves
standard sump
standard oil pump with a firmer spring
standard dizzy arrangement
ported head
hotter cams
probably a decent head gasket
As you and me both well know though, the standard engine is so good that it really doesnt mean that spec wont be good for some pretty monster power (500bhp+ seems very realistic) but it does make you wonder what Phil would think about the various engines some of us build in terms of how "massive" their spec was in terms of the number of modified parts!
30-08-2006, 01:30 PM
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I think it uses new Cosworth racing pistons actually rather than machined standard ones. Nothing wrong with spec, and the standard parts can make HUGE power!
but to call it a 'massive spec' is silly!
but to call it a 'massive spec' is silly!
30-08-2006, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Porkie
I think it uses new Cosworth racing pistons actually rather than machined standard ones.
Cheers for correcting me on that though if thats the case
Originally Posted by Porkie
Nothing wrong with spec, and the standard parts can make HUGE power!
Originally Posted by Porkie
but to call it a 'massive spec' is silly!
30-08-2006, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MAD YUM
Originally Posted by chip-3door
Thats not massive Dave, it isnt even on solid lifters 
But it hasnt got much of the standard parts left in it has it
Steel rods
Custom pistons
Custom crank
WRC inlet
Custom exhaust manifold
Not much standard there mate
30-08-2006, 01:46 PM
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......when i say massive spec i mean massive enuff to hold 600bhp with ease 
..so far from std Chip...thats the problem with guessing to try win more browny points with other forum members 
Porkie..you seem to be the same as Chip..do you ressemble him in other ways too?
Mad Yum...i have no idea on power 600 would be nice....and with this spec engine and that turbo and enuff boost maybe just maybe on pump fuel
YBP if you read my other posts the EEC4 cover is a temporary thing to restrict power until diff and gearbox uprated...it will run a modest 500bhp to start with. ..although i may well see if a the std box/diff will take full power...i test not read books
..so far from std Chip...thats the problem with guessing to try win more browny points with other forum members Porkie..you seem to be the same as Chip..do you ressemble him in other ways too?
Mad Yum...i have no idea on power 600 would be nice....and with this spec engine and that turbo and enuff boost maybe just maybe on pump fuel
YBP if you read my other posts the EEC4 cover is a temporary thing to restrict power until diff and gearbox uprated...it will run a modest 500bhp to start with.
..although i may well see if a the std box/diff will take full power...i test not read books
30-08-2006, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
......when i say massive spec i mean massive enuff to hold 600bhp with ease
Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
..so far from std Chip...
Feel free to correct any item on that list i put up which is wrong (like porkie did the fact you have the basic upgrade of cosworth pistons not standard ones.
you seem interested in talking about your car, so im sure you will enjoy sharing the spec
30-08-2006, 01:52 PM
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...oh your wrong on pistons BTW 
..runs the CP ones as per Rods old engine before incident. ...oh and iskys...oh and long studded block..etc etc...its a massive spec to me and 600bhp is massive BHP to me...
How about Chip would you call him a massive bloke?..I would..but he aint that massive compared to sum..but still massive to the smaller person..ROFL
..runs the CP ones as per Rods old engine before incident. ...oh and iskys...oh and long studded block..etc etc...its a massive spec to me and 600bhp is massive BHP to me...How about Chip would you call him a massive bloke?..I would..but he aint that massive compared to sum..but still massive to the smaller person..ROFL