ok need some advice, just bought a mk5 wrc zetec turbo ,
apparently the guy said its got turbo problems it dont start,

would a nackard turbo stop it from starting?

i have not had chance to kick it over yet as newer got back till tonight with car and battery was flat.
just curious?
done a quick check under old cap and it looks normal, thinks it has not been used for long time as the tax ran out 2000 and looking under oil cap it looks dry.
anyone give me any pointers
thanks

 

A car only needs fuel and a spark to start so i doubt its the turbo causing it not to start.

 

well if say its the head gasket i guess that would cause it not to start right?

any tell tell signs to look for?

 

Need some more info to get a proper answer mate!
Is it getting a spark? Is it actaully turning over? Can you hear the fuel pump prime? Is the battery flat?

 

yes its getting a spark, yes its turning over and yes theres fuel.


im haveing trouble with my zetec turbo enginei just bought the guy said it might be the turbo,

however when me and my mate kicked it over its really hard to start if it starts and after 20 mins we got it started and noticed alot of popping from the air filter as well as sometimes smoke, also sounded like it was running on 3

i also noticed theres a breather ( i think) on engine ( arrowed in pic) and that also was sometimes puffing out smoke and it smelt of petrol



i dont really know alot about zetec turbos this being my first so can someone please give me some advice on the matter

thanks
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check teh cam timing

but that sounds like wrong firing order

so make sure the leads are on the rite way round on the coil pack its not hard as its numbered

also what ecu and loom is being used

 

When crank sensors go its virtually impossible to get them started. Last time it happened to a mate we had to tow the car at about 25mph to bump start it. Anything less wouldnt get it going.

firing order worth checking, also how much smoke is coming out of the breather? Take the oil filler cap off and see if smoke comes from there.

Do a compression test for the sake of 20 mins as well.

 

i took the oil cap off and noticed theres a very very small amount of smoke. only notice it with shining a torch inside rocker cover, so does this point to any ideas?

checked turbo theres play left & right also up & down.

also to do a compression test will i need a special meter?

also heres a closer picture of breather

 

as said mate you wanna check the compression first off id say. if its low (below about 8bar) pour about a cap full of oil down each plug hole and do the test again. if it comes up by alot then you could be looking at worn rings(also, if its breathing heavy and puffing lots of smoke out the breathers, this could point towards badly worn rings too). if not then you want to look else where, headgasket, or valves. check the oil to see if theres any water in there. this would point to the headgasket.

if its blowing back and popping and stuff through the inlet like you say it could be worn valve seats/bent valves if the compression is low, or if the compression is ok, itll probably be cam timing which is where you wanna check next.

 

also move that braether pot you have pointed to

very far away from the manifold

thats a bit of a hazard where its sitting at the minute



where abouts in brum are you?

 

ok thanks,

just want to add, checked sparkplugs and plug 2 the bottom of sparkplug had been like pushed in like somethink had hit it, & the porcelin was broke, now whever this is due to previous owner putting a dodgy plug in im not sure,

i put another plug in and its not happened again so not sure on above?

what else could cause the plug to be pushed in?

any ideas?


also is it hard to check to see if timeing is out?

 

How you mena with the plug?

As stated the smoke can indicate worn rings etc...

Follow the advice above and it will give you an indication of where to start looking to solve the problems.

Go and buy or borrow a compression tester, its like a big gauge with a screw part on the other end. Warm the car up, take the plugs and leads out, screw the compression tester in one at a time and turn the engine over with the throttle open for 5-10 seconds. A reading will come up.
Repeat on all 4 obviously. Dependig on sepc - e.g. Pistons/compression ratio etc... yuo will get around 150psi i would imagine but check.

As long as all 4 are within 15psi of each other you are generally alright. any more indicates a problem and so you should repeat the test as above, with a teaspoon of oil down the bore with a low reading to see if it changes much. This again laregey points to rings gone.
ok mate

 

xr4x4rs


im in erdington, mate do u know it?.

 

i dont mate sorry



get some new plugs and check the leads are in the correct order to fire

also check teh wires to the crank sensor

 

also can i ask is there suppost to be a pipe here (pic)


and where is it suppost to be connected to?

also is there supppost to be a pipe at the bottom of the bleed valve?



could someone also tell me where the crank sensor is located will check tommorow

thanks

 

in the 1st pic thats your fuel pressure regulator

where that blck hose is above it going somewhere else it should go to that unless theres a fse power boost valve in there

on the bleed valve theres no need for a pipe as it goes to atmosphere

i carnt really do much until nxt week as im carless at the mo

but from nxt week i can possibly help ya out

 

crank sensor is also located at front of engine mate

about middle of block gearbox side

what management is it on?

 

ok mate thanks

yes it does have a power boost valve pic below


it also i think has a 6th injector

 

what management

as this could be your proplem

aswell

 

really not sure mate what managment its running on, dident really know where would be situated mate?

 

i think there in passenger footwell mate

this is what i would do personally

get a frst ecu
rst inlet manifold complete

and get an adaptor plate off jano

as i dont think the cvh ecu can run zetec injectors

the ecu that u should have in there should be a frst one as its a turbo aplication

so it will say ofac or ofab

wheres the map sensor situated

 

Erm where does the WRC Zetec come into this

What management is it running..

I think you should have it checked out by a pro mate, or your gonna be in real bad trouble and an empty pocket!!!

 

i know mate but trouble is my local garage wont touch it as its a zetec turbo it custom fabricated.

unsure What management is it running rich said it might be in passenger side footwell so im going to have a look there today.

had a quick look this morning and did notice on the coilpack plug 2, one if them is corroded its green i tryed cleaning it but its a bugger to clean also cleaned the ht lead dident really make a diffrence in starting, so think im going to get a new coilpack, ht leads, plugs, and also drain the fuel as i think its been sitting long time,

DogSmoke i know mate, this being my first zetec turbo, but i guess we all have to start someware right mate.

 

That's the problem with buying engines like this, you really could be getting anything if you don't know what to look for. Same problem I would have mate!

 

The best advice it to get your car to a pro as said mate and get it checked out properly

 

ok managed to get her started apparently it was a faulty coil pack,

just a couple of questions regarding the turbo if someone could please advize,

what turbo should i get, keep my t3 and get it reconditioned ot go for a t25?

as heard t25 it will have bags more torgue?


also anyone know a good place in birmingham that recon and sell turbos?

thanks

 

ok guys just a update,

i got it started again,

however its blowing out loads of white smoke, the more you rev the car the more smoke comes out

heres a coouple of videos i took on my mobile, please tell me if they work ok

http://media.putfile.com/smoking1924

http://media.putfile.com/smoke6110

 

Whitre smoke indicates head gasket mate.
The T25 is too small as most will tell you. T34's are preferred by most, or a T3 with a large exhuats housing e.g. .48 upwards

 

but could also indicate water seals in turbo gone

 

heres another video i took of the smoke

http://media.putfile.com/smoke15

 

heres a video i took off my moile of the smoke from car

http://media.putfile.com/smoke15

 

no such thing as water seals in turbo, its not the poor little thing thats causing you probs so leave it alone lol

 

ive always though there was

so what causes the turbo to smoke white smoke when there water cooled but take the water off there fine?

also did u get the money for the seal mate

 

if it is the head gasket has gone and it does have a decompression plate on it,

can i still use the old decompression plate and just buy a new ford headgasket?

 

will be going to buy a compression tester today see what happens will keep you guys informed,


just a quick not anyone know the cheapest place to get apr conrod bolts aprt from burton power?


also any good places in midlands that recon turbos? im after a t3 hybrid, not sure if the one i have already got is standard or hrbrid? any way of telling?

 

ok found out by taking herad off theres a hole in 1 of the pistons, (standard skimmed pistons) so its rebuild time.

ive heard a 2.0 zetec is just a bored out 1800 zetec,

anyone know if its possible to get my 1800 bored out to accept C20LET pistons as heard the 2.0 is just a bored out 1.8.

anyone please advize?

 

a 2.0 zetec is a 2.0 zetec m8,


1800 to 2000 could possibly b done but i would think it would loose a lot of strength, especially as its turbocharged now


could pick a 2 litre bottom end up from a scrappy for a few quid and go from there