Rs Turbo amal valve Vs Bleed valve discussion
15-07-2006, 08:42 AM
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Rs Turbo amal valve Vs Bleed valve discussion
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Not being funny but bleed valves are a total load of shite and a complete waste of time and money! It's an amatuers way of setting a car up
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Not being funny but bleed valves are a total load of shite and a complete waste of time and money! It's an amatuers way of setting a car up
15-07-2006, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by smart aRSe
O.k what's the advantages of a bleed valve then??
Originally Posted by smart aRSe
a total load of shite and a complete waste of time and money!
It's an amatuers way of setting a car up
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15-07-2006, 08:57 AM
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I dont claim to be an expert but in my experience they are a total load of shite, my first turbo was fitted with one when i bought it and other than being able to piss about with the boost yourself whats the point, you shouldn't need on. I had it taken off mine, had a decent chip put in it ad it went like a dream. So please tell me all the advantages of a bleed valve 
15-07-2006, 09:02 AM
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smart aRSe, and what if you want to be able to adjust your boost and can't afford an expensive ass electronic boost controller?
Do you suggest carrying some spanners and adjusting the actuator everytime
Do you suggest carrying some spanners and adjusting the actuator everytime
15-07-2006, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by smart aRSe
So please tell me all the advantages of a bleed valve
IMO the best way to adjust the boost is via an AMAL valve with decent setup jets inside to control the boost spike and hold etc..
Thats the best way without spending money on after market stuff.
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P.s good thread.
15-07-2006, 09:09 AM
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smart aRSe not a good idea to argue with Stu mate
he's forgotten more about RS Turbo's and Cossie's than anyone else ever knew about them in the first place
he's forgotten more about RS Turbo's and Cossie's than anyone else ever knew about them in the first place
15-07-2006, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by UBster
Stu don't even bother mate, just think after you've typed a small essay and made him look stupid you will never be able to get that 10 minutes of your life back!!
In essense, bleed valves are fine in teh correct hands. What do you think an amal valve is? Its a 3port bleed valve controlled by 12volts instead of a screw.
Jano, you know very well that most Rs Turbo amals dont work anymore and the owner cant always afford the cost of a new one plus fitment.
15-07-2006, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by UBster
Stu don't even bother mate, just think after you've typed a small essay and made him look stupid you will never be able to get that 10 minutes of your life back!!
In essense, bleed valves are fine in the correct hands. What do you think an amal valve is? Its a 3port bleed valve controlled by 12volts instead of a screw.
15-07-2006, 09:16 AM
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Stu @ M Developments does it count if i go to the newsagents, read the article and then put it back on the shelf and walk out? 
15-07-2006, 09:28 AM
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do you write in FF every month Stu?
In order:
June:
How a big turbocharger makes more power with less boost than a smaller one on teh same engine.
July:
How to read and understand compressor maps so you can spec a turbo properly.
August:
Fuel pressure. Whats its for, why messing with it can be deadly.
Summer:
Boost controllers. What options you have, how each type works and what are the +'s and -'s.
Next Month:
Spark advance, what is it? why do we need it? what changes how much we need?
And the month after that is underway now.
15-07-2006, 09:35 AM
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Stu, have Fast Ford had many letters or feedback bigging up your articles? 
This is teh only topic ive put up and all seems well.
https://passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=192899
15-07-2006, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Jano, you know very well that most Rs Turbo amals dont work anymore and the owner cant always afford the cost of a new one plus fitment.
Makes a good read.
15-07-2006, 09:43 AM
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some legendary advice on here at times
20psi boost bending valves is the hands down winner
worth a mention......
if the fuel line used on the bleed valve was rubber with inner braid, that wont ever swell up like the shitty silicon crap that people use because it looks nice, then hes fitted THE best part for the job, obviously this should have been securly fitted though!!!!
20psi boost bending valves is the hands down winner
worth a mention......
if the fuel line used on the bleed valve was rubber with inner braid, that wont ever swell up like the shitty silicon crap that people use because it looks nice, then hes fitted THE best part for the job, obviously this should have been securly fitted though!!!!
15-07-2006, 10:55 PM
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No disresepect to you Stu but i've never known Ahmed Bayjoo to use bleed valves on any of the engines he's done the chips for and set up or Joe at GS
but i've never known Ahmed Bayjoo to use bleed valves on any of the engines he's done the chips for and set up or Joe at GS
16-07-2006, 08:28 AM
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Sorry, missed your reply yesterday, just read back through it now looking for teh relevance of your latest answer and spotted the reply i had missed.
So i asked you:
And yor comprehensive and in depth technical answer to that question is;
Im guessing that you dont know why you hold that opinion then? 
Then you go on to waffle about how "you" have never seen Ahmed fit one. Are you a stalker of Ahmed's? You would have to hang around a bloody long time to see him fit one wouldnt you, its hardly an everyday occurrence now is it. Blimey, ive done between 20 and 30 turbocharged cars this month so far, rangine from a Punto to a Volvo and I havent fitted a single one, but i remember fitting one to a Fiat Coupe 16v last month as the lad had driven from Portsmouth, his amal valve circuit in the ecu turned out to be dead and the job needed completing.
So, Erm, the relevance of your point is what? That if "You" havent seen it or "You" dont understand it, its a "load of Total shite"
Open your eyes fella, you may learn something of use to you one day, as for that matter may your tuners if they are responsible for giving you this distinctly unimpressive tuning education.
So i asked you:
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
please tell me the dissadvantages, and the reason that, in your expert opinion, they are, and i quote:
Not to mention why:
Originally Posted by smart aRSe
a total load of shite and a complete waste of time and money!
It's an amatuers way of setting a car up
And yor comprehensive and in depth technical answer to that question is;
Originally Posted by smart aRSe
they are a total load of shite
Then you go on to waffle about how "you" have never seen Ahmed fit one. Are you a stalker of Ahmed's? You would have to hang around a bloody long time to see him fit one wouldnt you, its hardly an everyday occurrence now is it. Blimey, ive done between 20 and 30 turbocharged cars this month so far, rangine from a Punto to a Volvo and I havent fitted a single one, but i remember fitting one to a Fiat Coupe 16v last month as the lad had driven from Portsmouth, his amal valve circuit in the ecu turned out to be dead and the job needed completing.
So, Erm, the relevance of your point is what? That if "You" havent seen it or "You" dont understand it, its a "load of Total shite"
Open your eyes fella, you may learn something of use to you one day, as for that matter may your tuners if they are responsible for giving you this distinctly unimpressive tuning education.
16-07-2006, 08:32 AM
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i didn't say i've never seen Ahmed fit one, all the people that i know that have one of Ahmeds chips in their car don't have bleed valves on 'em thats what i was saying
16-07-2006, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by smart aRSe
i didn't say i've never seen Ahmed fit one, all the people that i know that have one of Ahmeds chips in their car don't have bleed valves on 'em thats what i was saying
Seriously though, why not give this some thought.
Amal valve = 3 port bleed valve = good.
3 port bleed valve = total shite.
That is what you are saying, but you dont seem to know why you are saying it!
That Amal route does have an advantage on SOME cars, but not all, but no point going down that route until you have figured out where your basic understanding of teh devices is failing.
16-07-2006, 08:56 AM
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The difference here is the amal valve is being controlled by the ECU for closed loop boost control.. so no, it's not "the same as a 3 port bleed valve"..
16-07-2006, 09:06 AM
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The difference here is the amal valve is being controlled by the ECU for closed loop boost control.. so no, it's not "the same as a 3 port bleed valve"..
Sorry, it doesnt have that capability.
16-07-2006, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by reality
The difference here is the amal valve is being controlled by the ECU for closed loop boost control.. so no, it's not "the same as a 3 port bleed valve"..
Sorry, it doesnt have that capability.
The ESC-2 does..
16-07-2006, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by reality
The difference here is the amal valve is being controlled by the ECU for closed loop boost control.. so no, it's not "the same as a 3 port bleed valve"..
Sorry, it doesnt have that capability.
The ESC-2 does..
The ESC 2 system that Ford used to control the ignition and boost side of the engine alongside the Bosch Ke Jetronic system that they used to provide the fuel control on the CVH Turbo does not have closed loop boost control. If you want to disagree with me any further, then instead of us just going to and fro, please provide some proof of your statement.
16-07-2006, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Must be the bloody heat, makes everyone suddenly think they are experts and want to argue.
The god complex is pretty offensive
16-07-2006, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by reality
Is that why experts use a pwm clamp on the map sensor then to avoid the boost cut rather than doing the chip properly?
We still use them for CVH's if its a small spec, saves pissing about changing teh processor. They are used by us, HKS, APEXI, JUN to name but a few, on cars ranging from a Subaru to a lancer evolution 8. Funny they all work perfectly well, yet, since you have gone totally off topic with this bizzare redirection are we to assume you think for some reason that a frequency clamp doesnt work or is less effective than changing the processor byte? Lets hear why then...
Also, i guess you decided to drop the closed loop argument and try to sideswipe into a new discussion instead?
16-07-2006, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by reality
The god complex is pretty offensive
Off out to give teh car some abuse in the sunshine now, will leave you chaps to debate teh finer points of these antiques and see if you have discovered something new that nobody else has ever discovered over the past 20years.