Motorists face tough penalties if they fall foul of new pay-as-you-drive
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Motorists face tough penalties if they fall foul of new pay-as-you-drive
£180 car toll fine: Motorists face tough penalties if they fall foul of new pay-as-you-drive 
The £180 car toll fine: Motorists face tough penalties if they fall foul of new pay-as-you- drive scheme
Ministers launch draft plans yesterday for scheme to replace traditional toll booths with automated system
Toll roads will be monitored by cameras that log number plates of all vehicles
Fixed penalty notices will be sent automatically to the homes of drivers who fail to pay in time
By Ray Massey
Motorists face fines of up to £180 if they fall foul of a new tolling system described as a ‘Trojan horse’ for pay-as-you-drive charging on major roads.
Ministers launched draft plans yesterday for a scheme to replace traditional toll booths with an automated system.
Toll roads will be monitored by cameras that log the number plates of all passing vehicles and fixed penalty notices will be sent automatically to the homes of drivers who fail to pay in time.
Old-fashioned toll booth? Motorists face fines of up to £180 if they fall foul of a new tolling system described as a 'Trojan horse' for pay-as-you-drive charging on major roads
Old-fashioned toll booth? Motorists face fines of up to £180 if they fall foul of a new tolling system described as a 'Trojan horse' for pay-as-you-drive charging on major roads
Motorists will have to pay tolls in advance – or within a set time limit – on the internet, by mobile phone or in shops.
The authorities will also have the power to confiscate vehicles for crushing if the owner has three unpaid fines.
The system will initially operate from October 2014 on the Dartford Crossing linking both halves of the M25 between Essex and Kent, but ministers acknowledge it is just the first.
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The draft regulations are essentially enabling legislation for pay-as-you-drive tolling schemes.
AA president Edmund King said: ‘One suspects this is a Trojan horse for use nationally.
‘It’s an expandable system that could eventually be rolled out on other strategic roads in England.’
Details are set out in a consultation document, The Road User Charging Scheme (Enforcement) (England) Regulations, published yesterday by the Department for Transport.
It says: ‘One of the largest challenges in operating a barrier-free or “free-flow” operated road user charging scheme is gaining a high level of payment compliance when there is nothing to stop a vehicle and oblige road users to pay the charge at the booth.
‘Enforcement provisions are considered necessary in order to ensure that road users continue to pay the required road user charge under a barrier-free operation.’
Fines will start at £60 if the toll charge is paid in full within 14 days of a penalty notice being served.
This rises to £120 if it is paid in full after 14 days but before a ‘charge certificate’ has been served. The maximum £180 fine applies after the charge has been served.
But the regulations also allow authorities to ‘immobilise, remove, store or dispose of vehicles where there are three or more outstanding penalty charges’.
A registered keeper will have 28 days to appeal, but only after paying the outstanding charges.
The scheme is being put out to tender this winter. The consultation closes on January 28 and a contract awarded next autumn.
The system will be fully operational by autumn 2014.
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The £180 car toll fine: Motorists face tough penalties if they fall foul of new pay-as-you- drive scheme
Ministers launch draft plans yesterday for scheme to replace traditional toll booths with automated system
Toll roads will be monitored by cameras that log number plates of all vehicles
Fixed penalty notices will be sent automatically to the homes of drivers who fail to pay in time
By Ray Massey
Motorists face fines of up to £180 if they fall foul of a new tolling system described as a ‘Trojan horse’ for pay-as-you-drive charging on major roads.
Ministers launched draft plans yesterday for a scheme to replace traditional toll booths with an automated system.
Toll roads will be monitored by cameras that log the number plates of all passing vehicles and fixed penalty notices will be sent automatically to the homes of drivers who fail to pay in time.
Old-fashioned toll booth? Motorists face fines of up to £180 if they fall foul of a new tolling system described as a 'Trojan horse' for pay-as-you-drive charging on major roads
Old-fashioned toll booth? Motorists face fines of up to £180 if they fall foul of a new tolling system described as a 'Trojan horse' for pay-as-you-drive charging on major roads
Motorists will have to pay tolls in advance – or within a set time limit – on the internet, by mobile phone or in shops.
The authorities will also have the power to confiscate vehicles for crushing if the owner has three unpaid fines.
The system will initially operate from October 2014 on the Dartford Crossing linking both halves of the M25 between Essex and Kent, but ministers acknowledge it is just the first.
More...
The draft regulations are essentially enabling legislation for pay-as-you-drive tolling schemes.
AA president Edmund King said: ‘One suspects this is a Trojan horse for use nationally.
‘It’s an expandable system that could eventually be rolled out on other strategic roads in England.’
Details are set out in a consultation document, The Road User Charging Scheme (Enforcement) (England) Regulations, published yesterday by the Department for Transport.
It says: ‘One of the largest challenges in operating a barrier-free or “free-flow” operated road user charging scheme is gaining a high level of payment compliance when there is nothing to stop a vehicle and oblige road users to pay the charge at the booth.
‘Enforcement provisions are considered necessary in order to ensure that road users continue to pay the required road user charge under a barrier-free operation.’
Fines will start at £60 if the toll charge is paid in full within 14 days of a penalty notice being served.
This rises to £120 if it is paid in full after 14 days but before a ‘charge certificate’ has been served. The maximum £180 fine applies after the charge has been served.
But the regulations also allow authorities to ‘immobilise, remove, store or dispose of vehicles where there are three or more outstanding penalty charges’.
A registered keeper will have 28 days to appeal, but only after paying the outstanding charges.
The scheme is being put out to tender this winter. The consultation closes on January 28 and a contract awarded next autumn.
The system will be fully operational by autumn 2014.
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A bloke I know already has a shady way to get around all this
He's bought 2 identical cars and just swaps the plates around
He can then "proove" he was t where they say he was
He's bought 2 identical cars and just swaps the plates around
He can then "proove" he was t where they say he was
Comedy motoring at its best, why not introduce a system where you setup a direct debit when you register a new car, then these charges are taken out at the end of the month. Job done then and access your account on line. They do over complicate things, cameras to catch motorists out and fines, it's the wrong approach IMO.
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Its yet another way to sting people who use the roads... They should be looking at earning revenue elsewhere, or not wasting so much of it on illegal immigrants and overseas handouts!
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so as it is now everyone going through the tunnel pays, under new system only uk registered vehicles have to pay, as they won't go chasing over seas registered vehicles i'm sure, so yet again the british driver gets screwed while all other European drivers use it for free, can see i will have to use my american plates on my pickup when i go through the tunnel once this is put in place, will save me using the blackwell tunnel
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so as it is now everyone going through the tunnel pays, under new system only uk registered vehicles have to pay, as they won't go chasing over seas registered vehicles i'm sure, so yet again the british driver gets screwed while all other European drivers use it for free, can see i will have to use my american plates on my pickup when i go through the tunnel once this is put in place, will save me using the blackwell tunnel
there is nothing wrong with the theory on existing toll roads. it saves time and costs and improves traffic flow. its no different to many parking systems and congestion zones around the country, it relies on you to pay up as required.
however will it be adequately signed and warned? unlikely.
And yes the most worrying aspect is if this technology is proven to work, you bet in 5-10 years we will have national pay as you drive controlled by the proposed blanket ANPR camera coverage on our main roads.
You just know pay as you drive will be a money making system as well. ie all the draft plans they have propose charging during peak hours on main roads going down to zero on side roads or outside peak. It wont make ANY difference to congestion because the reason the roads are congested at rush hour is because people have to go to and from work at those times.
Of course the government know this, hence its purely about money making.
It will also reduce road safety as people will try and go down narrow and slow roads to get to work cheaper.
however will it be adequately signed and warned? unlikely.
And yes the most worrying aspect is if this technology is proven to work, you bet in 5-10 years we will have national pay as you drive controlled by the proposed blanket ANPR camera coverage on our main roads.
You just know pay as you drive will be a money making system as well. ie all the draft plans they have propose charging during peak hours on main roads going down to zero on side roads or outside peak. It wont make ANY difference to congestion because the reason the roads are congested at rush hour is because people have to go to and from work at those times.
Of course the government know this, hence its purely about money making.
It will also reduce road safety as people will try and go down narrow and slow roads to get to work cheaper.
Roll on barrier free dartford crossing!
Do you think the costs will be the same for running the barriers compared to the ANPR system?less maintenance costs?fewer staff and no reason to take cash anymore could amount to the ANPR system costing less to run than the barriers possibly?
If so I would like to think they will pass the saving onto us in lower crossing charges.
The fines they are proposing are massively inflated I think,not really a fitting punishment for the crime so to speak,£20 would be enough for me to get the message,couldn't pay £20 every time I went through!and they seem to be threatening to take your car away for everything these days!!
The article makes it sound like if you forget to pay before going through you will be fined,surely you will get an invoice for the crossing charge first then a penalty notice if you don't pay?
Just a thought but would this system not encourage tailgating?if you were travelling in a pair or group of cars,could you not split the cost?
Do you think the costs will be the same for running the barriers compared to the ANPR system?less maintenance costs?fewer staff and no reason to take cash anymore could amount to the ANPR system costing less to run than the barriers possibly?
If so I would like to think they will pass the saving onto us in lower crossing charges.
The fines they are proposing are massively inflated I think,not really a fitting punishment for the crime so to speak,£20 would be enough for me to get the message,couldn't pay £20 every time I went through!and they seem to be threatening to take your car away for everything these days!!
The article makes it sound like if you forget to pay before going through you will be fined,surely you will get an invoice for the crossing charge first then a penalty notice if you don't pay?
Just a thought but would this system not encourage tailgating?if you were travelling in a pair or group of cars,could you not split the cost?
Them reducing the charge due to reduced costs? dont be fucking silly!!
Since when do any cost savings in motoring get passed onto the motorist? rarely if ever.
Id imagine they are clever enough to have a front and rear ANPR camera to catch out those who try to tailgate etc. Plus most ANPR systems these days can read at a fine angle from a high up pole anyway so youd have to be literally inches from the car infront.
Since when do any cost savings in motoring get passed onto the motorist? rarely if ever.
Id imagine they are clever enough to have a front and rear ANPR camera to catch out those who try to tailgate etc. Plus most ANPR systems these days can read at a fine angle from a high up pole anyway so youd have to be literally inches from the car infront.
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Wasn't the Dartford toll supposed to be a means of paying for the bridge? As in the costs of building it etc.
And when will they expect the toll to be paid? Before you use it? After?
And when will they expect the toll to be paid? Before you use it? After?
It would be totally unreasonable to expect prior payment yet provide no onsite means of payment or no layby for you to stop and ring etc.
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It's like the M50 toll in Dublin.
Except with it you have no way of checking when or how many times you went through the toll. They just expect you to pay regardless. And 24hr is a ridiculous amount of time.
And as others have said, it means foreign registered vehicles will get away without paying a penny ( as many UK motorists do with the M50 toll... )
Load of bullshit. If you have to, velcro holds on number plates very well lol.
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