Water injection question
#1
Water injection question
Ideally the nozzle should be between the turbo and throttle body, I have seen most nozzles fitted on the outlet of the intercooler.
Question is (due to space issues) can I fit the nozzle on the inlet to the intercooler rather than the outlet. It is still between the turbo and throttle body
Question is (due to space issues) can I fit the nozzle on the inlet to the intercooler rather than the outlet. It is still between the turbo and throttle body
#6
Thanks for the advice, I was told I wouldn't get anything constructive but thought I would try anyway.
The pump and tank can be remotely fitted in the car, all I wanted to know was whether I would get a build up of moisture in the intercooler if fitted before the cooler.
Not to worry esp Aaroncast
The pump and tank can be remotely fitted in the car, all I wanted to know was whether I would get a build up of moisture in the intercooler if fitted before the cooler.
Not to worry esp Aaroncast
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#8
[quote="Daxcossie"]
but remember that you realy want to try and have the pump in a lower position that the tank.
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With a gravity system having the tank lower than the pump wouldn't be much good really now
It will be activated by either a boost switch or a button on the steering wheel, works fine with 450BHP at the mo and no H2O inj, but may get warm on track at Ford Fair if we have any sun.
but remember that you realy want to try and have the pump in a lower position that the tank.
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With a gravity system having the tank lower than the pump wouldn't be much good really now
It will be activated by either a boost switch or a button on the steering wheel, works fine with 450BHP at the mo and no H2O inj, but may get warm on track at Ford Fair if we have any sun.
#9
Quick to judge aren't we?!!!!
The water injection nozzle is smaller than a 5p your engine bay can't be THAT busy.
Surely you could fit into the end tank of the intercooler or something?
The water injection nozzle is smaller than a 5p your engine bay can't be THAT busy.
Surely you could fit into the end tank of the intercooler or something?
#11
My injection system is only energised when ACT's reach 40 degrees C
I am not using Aquamist on my car
If there was room to fit the nozzle in the outlet of the intercooler I wouldn't be asking the question would I? I could just fit it on one side of the outlet pipe, but not being central the atomised water would collect on the pipework and would be pointless as it wouldn't be taken in with the charge. I cannot fit the nozzle centrally in the pipework, but I can on the inlet pipe hence my question
Yes I am quick to judge when people who have no idea about what they are talking about preach their drival to others.
I am not using Aquamist on my car
If there was room to fit the nozzle in the outlet of the intercooler I wouldn't be asking the question would I? I could just fit it on one side of the outlet pipe, but not being central the atomised water would collect on the pipework and would be pointless as it wouldn't be taken in with the charge. I cannot fit the nozzle centrally in the pipework, but I can on the inlet pipe hence my question
Yes I am quick to judge when people who have no idea about what they are talking about preach their drival to others.
#12
Hiya Mate,
I have also been looking in to water injection and i make intercoolers for a living. My concerns with fitting the injector before the intercooler would be as follows. Intercoolers are designed to cool charge gas. To do this most efficiently, the gas / air has to be slowed down as much as possible to allow maximum heat transfer between gas and heatsink. When you slow a gas down, any molecules being carried in suspension e.g. your water, will tend to condense and fall out of suspension. I would think this would result in a tendancy for water to build up in the intercooler. My concern with this is, hydraulicing a cylinder. What happens if you motor suddenly gets a cup full of water. Another concern i have is, with a single injector, how do you assure that all cylinders are getting the same amount of water vapour? We all know that even through the best intake manifold design, the cyls closest to the intake get the most air and the ones further away get less. This would apply to the water as well. For my own vehicle i am looking at four injectors, one per cylinder. There are places on the net that advertise these. They would probably work with your existing setup with monor modifictions.
If you are not using aquamist, which type of water injection are your using? Just interested to know. I have my Escort in Zimbabwe, Africa and when i buy something from your neck of the woods that doesn't work i get a bit pissed off 'coz it's a bugger to return. Hope this helps.
Dave
I have also been looking in to water injection and i make intercoolers for a living. My concerns with fitting the injector before the intercooler would be as follows. Intercoolers are designed to cool charge gas. To do this most efficiently, the gas / air has to be slowed down as much as possible to allow maximum heat transfer between gas and heatsink. When you slow a gas down, any molecules being carried in suspension e.g. your water, will tend to condense and fall out of suspension. I would think this would result in a tendancy for water to build up in the intercooler. My concern with this is, hydraulicing a cylinder. What happens if you motor suddenly gets a cup full of water. Another concern i have is, with a single injector, how do you assure that all cylinders are getting the same amount of water vapour? We all know that even through the best intake manifold design, the cyls closest to the intake get the most air and the ones further away get less. This would apply to the water as well. For my own vehicle i am looking at four injectors, one per cylinder. There are places on the net that advertise these. They would probably work with your existing setup with monor modifictions.
If you are not using aquamist, which type of water injection are your using? Just interested to know. I have my Escort in Zimbabwe, Africa and when i buy something from your neck of the woods that doesn't work i get a bit pissed off 'coz it's a bugger to return. Hope this helps.
Dave
#13
Originally Posted by fordpop
My injection system is only energised when ACT's reach 40 degrees C
I am not using Aquamist on my car
If there was room to fit the nozzle in the outlet of the intercooler I wouldn't be asking the question would I? I could just fit it on one side of the outlet pipe, but not being central the atomised water would collect on the pipework and would be pointless as it wouldn't be taken in with the charge. I cannot fit the nozzle centrally in the pipework, but I can on the inlet pipe hence my question
Yes I am quick to judge when people who have no idea about what they are talking about preach their drival to others.
I am not using Aquamist on my car
If there was room to fit the nozzle in the outlet of the intercooler I wouldn't be asking the question would I? I could just fit it on one side of the outlet pipe, but not being central the atomised water would collect on the pipework and would be pointless as it wouldn't be taken in with the charge. I cannot fit the nozzle centrally in the pipework, but I can on the inlet pipe hence my question
Yes I am quick to judge when people who have no idea about what they are talking about preach their drival to others.
and yes i know plenty about WI, but i dont feel like helping with your attitude.
#15
Thanks dadams much appreciated info
My system is a home designed and made pump utillising a stop solenoid so water doesn't pass through the pump whilst parked and a 0.7mm atomising jet. The pump was measured at 150psi continuous
markk, still a dickhead from years ago then, explain what I don't know what I am talking about? I got a perfect response from dadams, no one else told me anything near that essential info, just bollox
safechav, stick to your XR3i's
My system is a home designed and made pump utillising a stop solenoid so water doesn't pass through the pump whilst parked and a 0.7mm atomising jet. The pump was measured at 150psi continuous
markk, still a dickhead from years ago then, explain what I don't know what I am talking about? I got a perfect response from dadams, no one else told me anything near that essential info, just bollox
safechav, stick to your XR3i's
#16
Originally Posted by fordpop
Thanks dadams much appreciated info
My system is a home designed and made pump utillising a stop solenoid so water doesn't pass through the pump whilst parked and a 0.7mm atomising jet. The pump was measured at 150psi continuous
markk, still a dickhead from years ago then, explain what I don't know what I am talking about? I got a perfect response from dadams, no one else told me anything near that essential info, just bollox
safechav, stick to your XR3i's
My system is a home designed and made pump utillising a stop solenoid so water doesn't pass through the pump whilst parked and a 0.7mm atomising jet. The pump was measured at 150psi continuous
markk, still a dickhead from years ago then, explain what I don't know what I am talking about? I got a perfect response from dadams, no one else told me anything near that essential info, just bollox
safechav, stick to your XR3i's
#18
Originally Posted by fordpop
safechav, stick to your XR3i's
Is that what engine it is then there was me thinking it was an RST engine
so stick that in your pipe and smoke it you clever cunt
#19
fordpop
explain what I don't know what I am talking about?
explain what I don't know what I am talking about?
just to refresh your mind .................
Ideally the nozzle should be between the turbo and throttle body, I have seen most nozzles fitted on the outlet of the intercooler.
Question is (due to space issues) can I fit the nozzle on the inlet to the intercooler rather than the outlet. It is still between the turbo and throttle body
Question is (due to space issues) can I fit the nozzle on the inlet to the intercooler rather than the outlet. It is still between the turbo and throttle body
Thanks for the advice, I was told I wouldn't get anything constructive but thought I would try anyway.
The pump and tank can be remotely fitted in the car, all I wanted to know was whether I would get a build up of moisture in the intercooler if fitted before the cooler.
The pump and tank can be remotely fitted in the car, all I wanted to know was whether I would get a build up of moisture in the intercooler if fitted before the cooler.
oh and .......
so stick that in your pipe and smoke it you clever cunt
#20
Correct I am a clever cunt, far more so than you realise
Its so easy to wind you twats up, no excuse me twats are useful
Nothing changes on this "Ford Site" where half the users don't even own a Ford.
I was after info about moving the nozzle to a place I had with space enough to fit, you fail to grasp the problems should this not be ideal, I need not explain myself anymore especially to non professional or experienced people, unless you class rallying as experienced that is
Oh and its still a fucking XR3 motor, just someone thought he'd have a laugh and put a turbo on it and call it a sports car
Its so easy to wind you twats up, no excuse me twats are useful
Nothing changes on this "Ford Site" where half the users don't even own a Ford.
I was after info about moving the nozzle to a place I had with space enough to fit, you fail to grasp the problems should this not be ideal, I need not explain myself anymore especially to non professional or experienced people, unless you class rallying as experienced that is
Oh and its still a fucking XR3 motor, just someone thought he'd have a laugh and put a turbo on it and call it a sports car
#21
Sorry who's wound up?
You were the one that started with the "i was told i wouldnt get any useful replies" malarky.
I wouldn't waste the energy on you, and looking at the state of this thread now i doubt you will get any constructive replies.........
Have a look around i think you'll find a large percentage of the 13,000 posts ive contributed in the last 2 years are spending a lot of time helping others.
Best of luck with your water injection nozzle fitment into your engine bay which is so busy you can't find space for a 5p Mr. know all
You were the one that started with the "i was told i wouldnt get any useful replies" malarky.
I wouldn't waste the energy on you, and looking at the state of this thread now i doubt you will get any constructive replies.........
Have a look around i think you'll find a large percentage of the 13,000 posts ive contributed in the last 2 years are spending a lot of time helping others.
Best of luck with your water injection nozzle fitment into your engine bay which is so busy you can't find space for a 5p Mr. know all
#22
Originally Posted by fordpop
Oh and its still a fucking XR3 motor, just someone thought he'd have a laugh and put a turbo on it and call it a sports car
I bought the car, i wanted a cabriolet, i wanted it to be turbo, seeing as no such thing was ever made from the factory i had this ground breaking idea - i converted it myself
XR3 badge yes, XR3 engine no........its a very simple concept to grasp i feel - and please do point me to where i have said its a "sport car" pmsl
#23
Originally Posted by SafeChav
Originally Posted by fordpop
safechav, stick to your XR3i's
Is that what engine it is then there was me thinking it was an RST engine
so stick that in your pipe and smoke it you clever cunt
And I love the way your throttle cable runs on the cambelt, well cool
#24
Yes i appreicate there is a bolt jammed in a pipe.......this was done as a temporary measure when i was sorting out running issues with the car, do a little research on here and you will see the car hasnt been on the road for 2 years...................
And yes the throttle cable is close, but once again.........the car hasn't been driven like that.......
I feel you are just trying to belittle me now as you have run out of steam on the original topic, and are merely scraping the barrel!
Run along and sort out your water injection oh mighty one
And yes the throttle cable is close, but once again.........the car hasn't been driven like that.......
I feel you are just trying to belittle me now as you have run out of steam on the original topic, and are merely scraping the barrel!
Run along and sort out your water injection oh mighty one
#26
Well I did run along and cut the end plate off one end of the cooler and tig'd a spacer plate in to allow for the nozzle, so no space issues now, just pressure tested it to 6 bar and polished the new panel and welds so looks like new.
What on earth were you doing to your XR3i, doesn't take 2 years to put a yellow boost hose on does it
What on earth were you doing to your XR3i, doesn't take 2 years to put a yellow boost hose on does it
#27
Sounds like a reasonable solution to your problem - glad you sorted it!
You will quickly learn if you con on here and give attitude you will get as good as you give.
Correct it doesn't take 2 years to fit hoses, they were fitted before it got parked on the drive, i just cant be arsed with it.
You will quickly learn if you con on here and give attitude you will get as good as you give.
Correct it doesn't take 2 years to fit hoses, they were fitted before it got parked on the drive, i just cant be arsed with it.
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