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Old 15-04-2007 | 02:18 PM
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Ok i would like any and all opinions on the Escos handling

At the end of the day i know my chassie is a 15 year old design and it feels it!

I want to know what you think will make the car stiffer and handle better and feel more like a safe rigid and basicaly newer car without buying a new car

So far on the list i have:
Steering Rack
Adjustable TCA's
Adjustable Top Mounts
Adjustable Rear Beam
Wheel Bearing Kit Front
Wheel Bearing Kit Rear
Front Strut Brace
Rear Strut Brace with tie in to Diff
Frame Connectors
AVO mono-tube coil-over suspension
AP 362 x 32 6-pot brakes
Compomotive Mo 6 8x18 ET15
Toyo T1Rs 225/40 x 18
Polly bushes throut
uprated Rear diff hanger
Vibratechnic engine mounts

If i was to have all the above done what would be left to do?what would you change? what would you do diffrent and why?



EDIT: this is a semi Track/Road car, just so you know
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ROLL CAGE ?
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ROLL CAGE ?
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I was thinking about one but if i was to get one it would be a trim out full weld in like the one Reyland has in his escos only problem then it wouldnt be so pratical for the road would it?

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Very true but this is the main advantage of newer cars, evo etc, though my other halfs astra 1.4 auto kept up with one on the bends(tight+twisty) so obviously some can't drive even when they have evo's, yes he was trying as he blasted away on the straight and heard a nice dump valve, surprised at how slow it was though, and it is tweaked, it was fast but nowhere near what I expected.
I would not use T1R's if you want outright grip, ace tyre I use them but not the grippiest, I would go dedicated dry road tyre AO48 etc, this would make a massive difference to grip, but obviously be scared of puddles.
Have you thought about corner weighting ?
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Very true but this is the main advantage of newer cars, evo etc, though my other halfs astra 1.4 auto kept up with one on the bends(tight+twisty) so obviously some can't drive even when they have evo's, yes he was trying as he blasted away on the straight and heard a nice dump valve, surprised at how slow it was though, and it is tweaked, it was fast but nowhere near what I expected.
I would not use T1R's if you want outright grip, ace tyre I use them but not the grippiest, I would go dedicated dry road tyre AO48 etc, this would make a massive difference to grip, but obviously be scared of puddles.
Have you thought about corner weighting ?
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Problem with that is like you said as soon as the Yoko AO48's hit the water i will be in trobble and it is just as likley to piss down all summer as it is to be red hot

corner weighting is defo somthing i will be getting done once the cars all together with all the bits on it, i remember one of the mags doing a feature on a firm that does it but it was a good few years back now and i cant remember who they was

Im sure with a bit of hunting about i could find a specialist in this...

still cant justifie a cage at the mo tho
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sorry tabetha but i need to set you straight on one thing you have obviously never drove an evo as my dad had an evo 4 which had standard susspension and it pissed all over everything he raced its a case of how they are driven and there definately is no roll or chassis flex cos dey dont budge id rather have an escos cos they aint as common but den r34 skyline but hey we can all dream lol
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sorry tabetha but i need to set you straight on one thing you have obviously never drove an evo as my dad had an evo 4 which had standard susspension and it pissed all over everything he raced its a case of how they are driven and there definately is no roll or chassis flex cos dey dont budge id rather have an escos cos they aint as common but den r34 skyline but hey we can all dream lol
Think if you re read what he said hes saying that EVO are more tight than the Escos, cos its a newer car....
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THAT is what I said, I also said "some can't drive" referring to the EVO.
Just for the record I have driven plenty of EVO's, stiff as hell which was my whole point, an escy is going to struggle against them due to this inherrant stiffness they posses over the older escy design.
I have driven many evo's with this power and that power, they just don't put a smile on my face like even a boggo escy/sierra does, as this demands more driver ability unlike mr electronic evo.
My comments were meant to convey the message that if you can't drive and evo fast you should give up, as I am by noi means the next mr schumacher, but kept up in an astra with soggy std suspension, only mad was T1R's on car.
For the record I think they are overated, but very capable cars, still like a 20 year old cossie though for me, but each to their own and all that.
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First off a competition seat and proper 5/6 point 75mm harness will make you feel part of the car and not just sat on, or in it

Stiffer springs and better suspension would then be my next step.

Then I'd remove most of the polly bushes and replace with either rose joints or nylon.

Wouldnt go for a full cage from the word go, just the important bits first, like proper welded strutbraces not the bolted show items. They will help you more in the corners. The rest of the cage is just dead weight on the straights.
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What gives an evo its strenth is the fact that it is spot welded together then seem welded shorely do this to an escos and it aint gonna be too far behind an evo i have seen an evo and a sorted escos race when i went to a jap car show and they was quite closely matched but the escos was by no means standard
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Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
First off a competition seat and proper 5/6 point 75mm harness will make you feel part of the car and not just sat on, or in it

Stiffer springs and better suspension would then be my next step.

Then I'd remove most of the polly bushes and replace with either rose joints or nylon.

Wouldnt go for a full cage from the word go, just the important bits first, like proper welded strutbraces not the bolted show items. They will help you more in the corners. The rest of the cage is just dead weight on the straights.
Im still looking for a seat this i like got to be a recaro to match the rest but Shit are they Dear

Suspensions being sorted

Then I'd remove most of the polly bushes and replace with either rose joints or nylon.
can you elaborate on that please
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Taken from another thread mate....

Originally Posted by Franco
Ade,

I drove it out of Danny's place and noticed the difference! The car felt so solid!

The best mod i did, on a level with the brakes and another purchase which remains a secret at this stage!

Some pics:













MSN if you want to know more!
How about one of those?

http://www.adrenaline-race.com/

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nice one benni

if you take a look at my list up the top i did mention this under the Rear Strut Brace with tie in to Diff

was ment to be done weeks ago then saterday just gon but the car was playing up and now Friday morning so fingers crossed third time lucky
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Checked your list and never noticed it! Sorry about that mate.
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no probs mate is a good mod to mention for onlookers who are intrested anyway
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