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iTrader: (12)

Ok,
Heres an idea of what your looking at:

This is a L6 file of some form. How much exactly do you want to pay me to print that out on paper for you Neil? Are we talking hundreds?


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Neil S

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On it now

Cheers - That never occured to me! lol

Neil.

Neil S

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Stu - Millions, literally......















..........Of nano-pence

Piece of paper is no good, I want a file lol

Neil.

PS PJay - i got descpro and datalog, and the bloody installer keeps crashing!!!

PJay

Good post Stu

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In simple terms, Ecus are just boxes with numbers stored in them !!

The L6 has 8192 numbers to store program and maps (bytes)
The L8 has 16384 bytes
The P8 has 32768 bytes

Not all are used in the chip but very nearly.

My own ecu has 512000 ROM bytes, 256000 RAM bytes and
1024000 flash memory bytes (1 megabyte) not to mention 2 x 32 bit processors.

EscortWRC

Oh, that's the stock map.....obviously

LOL

Stu @ M Developments

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Aww fooker.. ive just got off the phone to Viking direct.. ive ordered 250 reams of their finest copy paper.... and a whole box of ink

I thought id found a new money spinner then

BRB... got a forest to cancel

PJay

Mike Gurney

Hows about the fuel / ign map sizes and locations for eeciv ofab and ofac

that would be a good place to start

POPEYE

BLOODY HELL MIKE
that took you a long time to try and find out some info

Neil S

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Pectel are gonna get it! Shonky software - you cant tell it where you would like it installed so it baulks when u run the installer and it cant find its path

Anyway, off to the girlfs in a bit - will check back tomorrow morning

Neil

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EEC4

Stu @ M Developments

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Still struggling to find em mate?
You HAVE to invest in an emulator.. you simply CANNOT find em without one. No Way. Get the wonga out Mike

POPEYE

pmsl,got to give him top marks for trying stu
hes only been asking since we came up

PJay

And lots of it lol

Stu @ M Developments

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I do admire his dedication mate.. im sure he will get to where he wants to be soon

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I actually met the guy who wrote the Fiesta RST EEC4 software for Ford
some years ago.

He described EEC4 like this .....

The americans designed the electronics and FOOKED it up.
The english modified it to make it work on european cars because it was shite.
The americans wrote the software and gave it more bugs than windows....
The english modified the software and by pure chance it worked (if you can call it that)

Stu @ M Developments

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Me and Tony call EEC "The Woman"

Cos it has unexplainable mood swings...

ESPECIALLY Anti and Cosy the EEC IV YB systems when they get fooking stuck in limp home mode cos the EGR valve is faulty...

"Please fix this before proceeding with test" FOOK that annoys me!!

GARETH T

glad this thread is still going!

PJay

Same here, it's starting to run a bit dry now think we need some more technical input lol

Mike Gurney

I've actually had a result with the EECIV stuff (and EECV focus RS)

I've found a guy who used to map them for ford - hoping to get all the stuff to allow me to reflash them and map them live looks like the map sensor can be swapped for a 3bar too

failing that - the cost of an emulator - I can get a good pectel ecu for that sort of money

so watch this space cos as soon as my injury claim comes through i'm gonna buy something aftermarket - been waiting 9 months now !!!

Simon said
"I actually met the guy who wrote the Fiesta RST EEC4 software for Ford
some years ago. "

do you still know him ?

richm

top thread guys!! great input from Stu - just what these forums should be for

I haven't asked much, as I haven't had time to read it all yet, and don't want to look a twat by not reading first..

PJay

Rich, just jump in, lets try and keep this thread going.

richm

mentioned briefly how to find maps in the jungle of hex code by using 2d mapping - but how to root out the maps just by looking at the hex data table?
How to tell where the start and finish is?
presumably we are looking for consecutive values that don't change by much, one to the next?

M Brian

erm yeah... what he ^^ said!!

so im gathering from the stuff above that EECIV is abit shonky then!
at least I wont have a manky metering unit cluttering up the engine bay I suppose.

Stu @ M Developments

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Well,
In a run of pure hex like that, its just MUCH MUCH easier to see with the emulator active as it will highlight a whole area whilst you rev it.. you make notes on highest and lowest achieved addresses and work from there

richm

LOL, yeah Stu, quite agree, IF you've got a $$$$ emulator

Stu @ M Developments

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I wouldnt like to do it without at least a 2d graphing option, or an emulator TBH.. it would just be hell....

Ragtop

But Firstly....
Karl... Why do you have to be sooo negative all the time, and treat EVERYONE as tho they are 'beneath you'... Not everyone on here in a no-brain boost junky... I for one have a degree in electronics and have found all of this facinating.. AND just because i've read it doesn't mean I now have the knowledge or equipment to go and map a car.. Stu hasn't shown any of that in detail, only bit's and bob's, so your job is still safe... And even if we come to you, or any other tuner, and spout rubbish about maps, you're still gonna do your job and take no notice of what we're saying (If indeed it is rubbish..)

But back to things...

Stu, you have surpassed yourself again... That is a brilliant write up... I presume you realise it's 22 pages long in Word..

We love you long time...


Luv
Chrisie...

Stu @ M Developments

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So what else you wanna chat about folks?

Dont make me go back to the other boring posts about women and crashes again..... Purleessee

M Brian

erm... well

cars fitted with a lambda sensor as standard.

how much of a bearing and how does the lambda effect the fueling?

i.e. is it just for safety (extremes) or is it a function to enable efficient running? like a closed loop system

GARETH T

closed loop lambda control (narrow)only works on light throttle actions not when flat out in most cases but more cars are being fitted with wideband sensors as standard, but i dont know how much closed loop control they have

Stu @ M Developments

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99% of cars fitted with closed loop fuel term control, utilize it only under part load conditions, and also only with a hot engine.

This is simply because if the sensor drifted from cal, under WOT conditions it would cause an expansive meltdown.

WOT is not seen as an emissions issue as most engines spend a VERY small percentage of their life there.

Basically.. as Gareth said

M Brian

thanks gareth and stu!

so the old - you can mess around changing air filters, exhausts throttle bodies etc and it will be ok as its fuel injection and has a lambda as is often put about - is erm pretty much crap?

ah right so thats another one.... ok thats live mapping detailed but on a chip for example... where you dont get the feedback of what the car is doing etc... is it just from experience that you could make assumptions on what to do with the map?

Stu @ M Developments

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I dont quite follow what your asking there Melv, elaborate a little mate

GARETH T

yes mate crap crap crap

GARETH T

what hes on about stu, is people think that the system will re-calibrate its fueling as it has a lambda sensor for closed loop control

M Brian

supposing I ask for a chip suitable for a mildly modified 105 zetec.

its got the 130 throttle body, no cat and an air filter.


if you were to.. for example live map the car then you coudl of course see what was going on with it and adjust fueling ignition to suit.

but if you were to produce a chip for it, would you make certain assumptions about things such as increased airflow through the engine or would you just have to supply a standard generic chip that was developed from a similar vehicle that was livemapped and studied?

another for example is you supplied a base map chip to a guy with a zetecturbo'd frst - so he coudl run it in and drive it up for a proper mapping session.... therefore you must of made assumptions based on previous experience and things in order to produce a safe chip... but if the aim was more power and better running from a chip - then the assumptions have to be LESS safe? so how would you go about deriving this?

I dont seem to be very clear with my questions on this post at all sorry!

Stu @ M Developments

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Ahh, gotcha.
Yes mate youve pretty much answered your own questions.

Mapping from base, which is what i call it, is all a matter of "Educated guesswork"

Remember that we are constantly modding stuff for our Modem Dealer Network and they obviously give us feedback until the files are perfected..

Add that to the number of cars we live map and we are pretty well educated to be making the guess

There is "NO" substitute for doing it live though...