hi,i have a early 2wd sierra sapphire cosworth.i started a restortion on the car but the further i dig the more grot and bad repairs i find.
i have bought a newer sierra with very low miles which has a mint shell.
my plan is to completely strip the 32k car to a complete bare shell then respray the same colour as my car then rebuild as i was going to with the cosworth.
every nut and bolt will be from my cosworth and the only part from the 32k mile car will be the shell.
the 32k mile car is a sierra chasseur and not a cosworth,so thats what the v5 will say,when i go to insure this even after i change all relevant numbers on the v5 (engine,cc) will this still be viewed as a modified car with crippling insurance premiums?
it will be modified in other depts,suspension,brakes,engine and wheels but the bodywork,interior,suspension layout etc will be 100% cosworth from my rusty car!

 

just change the numbers on the shell over then its the same car!

 

my floor numbers rotten too

 

a done this last year with a 2wd saph that had been smashed swapped every thing into a chassure shell, theres 3 things u can do really,

1, use ur id or buy a id and put that on to the shell then take it for a vic cheak so u hav all the rite docs to match the car,

2, use the new cars id and tell the insurance every mod and b stung by the huge premium,

3, just use the new cars id run about in it and forget about it,

 

Most specialist insurers will base the premium on the Cossie so no it shouldn't end up costing extra.

 

I'm with sky/Chaucer for my import hilux already,they said to call back when I get the sierra on the road and they would do me a good deal.I'll prob spend so much on it and make it so nice I'll never actually use it anyway!

 

technically you should be on a Q plate too as you dont keep enough parts of the chaseur car to keep the necessary points to retain the ID.

however, you can legally do an engine swap, then over time replace every other componant with cosworth componants. Nothing in the DVLA rules stops you from slowly over time working on a car so that in the end nothing original identity is left. But if you do it all at once they get shirty

 

How do the dvla get involved?I know I'll have to tell them of the colour change and engine change but I'm not re-registering it,I'm going to keep the chasseur id as it has all the mots,1 owner and 32k miles,fully repain everything then refit all my refurbished cosworth parts and all the new parts I have.the car will be as colse to brand new as is possible once I'm done.
What plates your puma on warren?

 

a was told wen a done mine that if u use 70% of the original car then u can use a diffrent shell and use ur own id, but a keeped the id that was on ma new car and just changed the engine number and relivent details then got a engineers report with pictures and sent these to dvla, so now a hav a g reg cosworth runnin in a k-plate shell,

 

What percent does a shell account for?my engine isn't original,it's out of a 4x4!
Would that go against me?
If I use the new shells I.d I'll get a private e plate for it,just don't want hammered with insurance if they class it as a modified 1.8 chassseur and not a full cosworth in a mint shell.

 

the shell is classed as 30% of the car mate,
a dont think that engine would go against u as if its numbers on ur v5 for ur cossie,
ave just changed the relivent numbers and details on the v5 of ma car and took it for a report was easy enuff mate had to take it to glasgow for the cheak but was told then a normal mot station should b abile to do a cheak on it,

 

i would just replace the floor pan in the chasseur stamp cossie id in, shut the fuck up an never tell a soul!! thats just me tho lol

 

ave done that before mate a forgot about it and sold it to a mate lol just kept ma mouth shut lol, that was a old mk1 xr4x4

 

no body would ever be any the wiser lol

 

they wernt mate and still arnt pmsl

 

lol well same applies here, especially as its a 2wd shell lol

 

thats exactly it mate a was goin to do it with ma cossie sleeper but ended up just leavin it with original plate,

 

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...le/DG_10014246

that explains all there.

if you keep the chasseur ID you can get away with it as the rear beam and suspension etc are not ID'd and not able to be dated, so they cannot prove they came from another vehicle and hence you can get round the rules of the "unmodified original shell" and "two major componants".

remember its what they/you can prove that matters, not the truth.

As a chasseur you need only inform them of colour change and engine number. they often ask for proof the engine swap was done as well. They have no way of knowing youve rebuilt it from a bare shell unless your stupid enough to tell them. Its unlikely a colour change and engine swap would pull you up for a VIC unless someone has grassed you.

mines registered as a rebuilt puma. It was built from a brand new bodyshell issued with a DVLA VIN number after it was inspected by the DVLA inspector. slightly bent the rules to get round the SVA but thats their loss as its correctly registered so they cant prove anything.

 

See you boys and your replicas! tut tut

 

Nothing wrong wiv a good replica ryan! ive had loads, biggest bang for your buck IMO

 

Lots of admissions on here
It's the real world though I suppose, you'd have to be pretty naive to not think about this sort of thing when buying an RS.
I see what your saying about the car and keeping the original 32k ID, if you are planning on keeping it why not, but it's a lot of hassle and work to go through to have it technically as a low spec car that won't be worth very much, but if you get the enjoyment out of it why not.
BTW I am SURE you can only do the 70%/30% idea and keep the ID of the old car if it is a new shell, and has not been previously registered.

 

All i could think of whilst reading this thread, was this

 

can you not just say the cossie has been reshelled to dvla & have the chassie number from the chasseur put on the cossie v5??
or does that not work like that?

 

yum, me too

 

I had replicas when I was 20 and couldn't afford the real thing.

 

can you not afford to buy a nice cossy now then mate? just be a lot easier and less hassle imo

 

i could buy any cossie i want straight out but theres no fun buying something done to someone elses standard
.id be bored buying something like that,plus i have so many nice new or reconditioned parts to fit to this 1 it would be a waste not using them.
been looking at mk2 focus rs's though.might buy 1 of them to have as a 3rd car later on this year then when the cossie is done that will be the 4th car.
still not decided what shell to use,might put it into the place that painted my last saph to have the rot cut out and painted,either way whatever shell i use will be getting painted there as his work is flawless!

 

Intresting topic,im looking at doing something like this my self,do keep us posted on what you do decide to do

 

iv done this not to a cossie but when u insure it get it valued for how much you think the car is worth and tell them everythink about the car then u carnt go wrong or

just dont say nothing and insure it as a chasseur i know its illegal but they will only give you the prise of a chasser but if your driving it everyday then get raped on insurance

 

i will need to insure my saff as a cossie replica once the engine is in and the insurance is due next month

 

So is this another "is it ok to ring my car" thread...?

 

certainly seems like it

 

guys this thread is old and the cars mentioned have both been moved on

 

just change the floor and stamp new id,,,,lmoa,,i didnt realise the law has changed,,you used to get into alot of trouble for doing this to cars

next will be "the front half was good on one and the back on another so i made one good car nothing wrong with that"

 

carole nash wouldnt insure my cossie rep as they said it was too modified so i called Paul @ NeedToInsure and he definately quoted me happy with a premium of £526 with all mods declared