I would like to have a vehicle remapped 'remotely' and I'm considering both DMS and MSD...

DMS offer a sustantially bigger gain and I think Lee (Porkie) had his 911 Turbo remapped by them and was happy with that.

MSD is quite a lot cheaper but promise a smaller increase, I know Stu and trust his work.

What sayeth you?

 

what vehicle? guessing a porsche?

 

Think you've answered your own question sayingbyouvtrust stu. As for figures too many company's claim silly increases msd seem acceptable.

 

Indeed a Porsche and that's the thing:

MSD I trust completely but from what I can gather DMS are highly regarded in the Porsche world as well...

MSD claim 35 horses extra and 80 Nm, DMS claim 76 horses and ?? Nm...

So you'd be tempted to call bullshit on the DMS numbers BUT Porsche used to offer and upgraded wich also gave 76 horses extra and DMS are not know to be cowboys...

Pricedifference is also HUGE:

MSD around 350 I think and DMS around 1200 but they send you a handheld whatever to upload the maps...

 

I`d go DMS, you`ll actually notice the difference whereas MSD`s extra 35bhp will not be noticed.

 

I'd also go DMS given that I've heard/read good things about their work with these cars a lot before.


Cheers,
Grant

 

I would give Ken and the guys at 9E a shout they offer full packages going up to over 1200bhp.

 

Just saw that DMS claim 102 nm extra.

I'm stumped on both the difference in price and the difference in power...

Maybe DMS spent more time looking for power and hence triple the price?

Quite curious...would like MSD's opinion on this one actually

Reckon 76 bhp and 102 nm makes a big difference on already a powerfull motor?

 

what happens if you buy one and find the gains are no where near the figures quoted? but to me the difference in price and figures obviously shows your paying 2 totally different figures for 2 totally different end products so its down to what you want to spend compared to what you want to gain ?

 

DMS well known in porsche world for a good reason I'd have thought, although as per Neil if I was in lucky position of having one I'd be going to 9E

 

Never heard of 9 E?

 

http://www.nineexcellence.com/


A remap really changes a 996 turbo into a very fast car wither it is a k16 or k24 equipped car, with a map the responce of the k24 turboS cars is much better.
Typical you will be going from .6 bar of boost up to 1.1 bar and if you have some breathing mods and a exhaust like I had the you can see 1.3 bar.

 

for the German exec cars DMS have a stunning reputation. but wont touch a ford!

MSD however will! not only that MSD are known and trusted by a lot of us for there reliability and honesty! which is also invaluable! (I have used them and am more than happy to continue to do so!)

basically pays your money takes your choice

 

Exactly this. I can spend about Ł500 getting my relatively standard FRS up to about 280BHP or I could spend say Ł1500 and get it up to 330BHP. You are most likely not comparing like for like

 

I had my 2004 GT2 re-mapped by DMS and the service/work was excellent. I did lots of rally's in the car (Gumball, drivers run, cannonball) and track days. The car never missed a beat. I know where I would take my next Porsche. Also had a couple of E46 M3's done. Again, spot on.

 

Completely off topic, so apologies to the OP... but do you remember what the cost of the E46 M3 map was and what sort of difference it made??


Cheers,
Grant

 

Was back when they were new so sorry don't remember the cost, but I can tell you I sat up the arse of one of the M3's in the GT2 with 186mph showing on the clock. The car was much punchier and limiter was also removed with the re-map. Only thing was the rear valance sometimes flapped at the higher speeds. Also added a hayward and Scott exhaust. Great car the E46 M3.

 

DMS site http://www.dmsautomotive.com/perform...a.php?make=bmw says M3 340hp stock 370hp tuned 268 lb/ft stock 282 lb/ft tuned

No prices on the site!

 

I haven't read any of the thread apart from first post.

why don't you go and have a proper map done by anyone who offers it in real time.

Surely the best outcome for the $ spent.

 

Things is I'm located out of the UK and locally there's no-one I trust to do the work.

Now I know the engine can handle atleast 520 BHP with full Porsche warranty so if a reputable tuner like MSD or DMS can re-map it uptill that point I don't see any problem.

Would still like to know the reason for the difference in price and gains, for now I'm assuming it's due to the fact that DMS (as a Porsche specialist) spend more time on a Porsche specific remap wich results in more power and a larger bill, wehereas MSD (being a Ford or non-specific remapping specialist) spend less time on the map by staying within 'known' safe margins for a reasonable gain for reasonable money?

Come on Stu or Will, enlighten me!

 

Things is, the car is silly fast for what it is but certainly doesn't feel it...

It's so comfortable and effortless that you have no idea how the speed increases...

It's not untill you realise it weighs in at around 2400 kg's with the aerodynamics of a small shed that it seems fast if you know what I mean?

There are quite a few upgrades available such as removal of secondary cats, ITG-airfilters, IPD inlet Y-piece, larger intercoolers and different divertervalves but it's a slippery slope I'd rather set foot on...it will end up being close to 600 BHP (or so I've been told) but it will be expensive and it will break the transmission...or atleast that's what I'm afraid off...

So just that little bit extra to tap into the potential that is already there would be good...

 

as someone mentioned above, i'm sure that they will do more than just "map" the car for you for the extra money?

 

Nope, they send you a device on wich you can store the current map and send it to them.
They modify it en send it back to you for you to upload it.

 

so what about checking to see if your engine and set up will be able to safety handle the increases?

 

Well they go by my description of the car (i.e. 'standard') and presumably they can find some info on the readout of the ECU?

As far as the car is concerned: internals etc. are easily up to the task...they can handle 600 BHP and over on stock internals.

 

Have you spoke with the guys at MSD? Maybe they can write a map that gives the output you are looking for?

 

Both companies are available during office hours to ask.