steven mc kay

i no lots of engine builders map there own engines, what i am interested to no is who do you lot think is the best at mapping out there .

i would be looking into mapping a wrc escort cosworth engine in a rally car .
if i was to have a engine built to my builders spec that hes built many times over the years who would be best to come and map it for me ( could it be mapped in car and not on a dyno ??
it would be on pectal t62000

thanks steven

mickscossie

karl norris @ nms

Stu @ M Developments

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Mapping what engine, in what vehicle, on what management? Road legal or not? Petrol, Diesel, Methanol? Gas?

Karl is indeed very good and I would have no problem recommending him and often do, but would he be happy doing, for example... a 7 litre DAF truck like I did last Monday? Or a Yamaha 2 stroke outboard like we did a few weeks ago? Or the Fastrack tractor James is doing tomorrow? Maybe not.

I think we need much more info to answer your question.

steven mc kay

i will change my post with more info stu.

thanks steven

Stu @ M Developments

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Plenty of people should be able to do T6 for you mate, Karl Included.

Mark Shead

Ahmed is the one I would ask with it being on pectel.

Mark

johnyjn

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Ryan @ 2 bar tuning Did a fantastic job on my ecu f88 ( life racing ) and can calibrate Pectel with no prob's .

J1mbo

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I would 100% not be mapping a wrc spec engine in the car Steven. Keep that in mind.

Mark Shead

So you don't live map them once the engine is in the car.

Mark

steven mc kay

i have been talkinig to dominic and i am going to buy a 2nd hand engine jim with all the right parts on it, i would like a mountune engine as it will have the right cams and springs ect i am hopeing? , i will get dominic to re build it top and tail ect and re do turbo ect and what ever is needed , this will work out cheeper for my pocket .
what i am trying to work out is can i save the cost on mappinig on a dyno, i was wandering could a mapper come to me .
i no dominic has someone that he uses that can come to his place . but i wanted to find out whos out there thats good ,
i no i can send engine to the likes of your dad for mapping then it can be checked in car , dominic built a brand new engine for a local man for a wrc fiesta that engine was mapped by julian godferry then checked in car , i cant say 100% but i dont think every engine he builds is mapped on dyno, mabie it differant if it a total new build in stead of a re build of a old engine thats got a map and all .
i seen a wrc mountune engine for sale on t62000 , i think it was mapped by tommy field.

thanks steven

steven mc kay

i am not very up on mapping engines i hold my hands up to that , but i would like to no lots and willing to learn.

is every new engine that all yous tunners build mapped on a dyno. open question to all .

if i dont care about figures of power and flb, can a engine be mapped proper with out the dyno and all done in car ??


thanks steven

xr2wishy

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With some wrc engines, the torque is so big and the boost drop off can be quick meaning a dyno could highlight issues and be taken to the limits and held for longer.
Anything race spec i'd have dyno'd then had a few live runs to spot any real life errors.
Forget saving money, think not blowing it up.

steven mc kay

mark have you every mapped wrc rally cars ?
i take it you do not map pectal at all ?

thanks steven

steven mc kay

yes i under stand what your saying ref not wanting to blow up the motor, i have never cut corners with any of my cars /engines . i have spent thousands over the years .

i was interested to no if it was possable to do with out dyno ?

thanks steven

J1mbo

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Of course we do mark I didn't know I said that?

J1mbo

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Steven, that option would be best for your pocket yes, just make sure it's late sec engine as the spec changed every year and the latest were deffinately the best

The problem with a wrc engine is there is so many measurements to be taken whilst mapping. For example post restrictor pressure more commonly known as restrictor depression. Turbo speed. Detonation which is so easily found on a 11:1 cr engine with 40psi boost. It's so much better to map every point on a dyno to get a 95% map then check in the most commonly used load points in the car.

IMO you cannot properly map every point in the car from a base map. But only the most commonly used points which are found whilst mapping on a certain day in certain conditions. You only have to have a few weak points and a couple of points with 3deg too much ignition that will cause a crack of det and slowly nibble away at the pistons and head.

This is of course my personal opinion but it's the right way to do things.

Jim

mickscossie

Karl is indeed very good and I would have no problem recommending him and often do, but would he be happy doing, for example... a 7 litre DAF truck like I did last Monday? Or a Yamaha 2 stroke outboard like we did a few weeks ago? Or the Fastrack tractor James is doing tomorrow? Maybe not.

I think we need much more info to answer your question. [/QUOTE]

i didnt mean to offend any body but original post just said mapping so i gave my opinion of who i would use as par my personal experience as regard trucks the last one i bought 6 months ago being a v8 mercedes tractor unit i had that mapped by bill at collins performance but again thats only my opinion and thats all so sorry stu.

Stu @ M Developments

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I am sure nobody was offended mate.

Mark Shead

Not been asked to map a wrc engine before GrpN yes,
I dont like the user interface and the problems getting hold of the software so mapping Pectel doesnt hold any interest to me.

Mark

steven mc kay

i understand now where your comeing from jimbo, a dyno engine it will be then and checked in car.

tell me how the hell will i no if its a late spec mountune donky ??? this might be a minefield i think ..

thanks steven

J1mbo

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On a mountune engine ask for the engine number off of the cam cover and ring mountune and ask for a spec, they have a build number for each engine

M K

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If it's already a Tommy engine, either 1 he built from scratch or one he previously mapped then why not get him over to do it, he travels a lot further than Ireland to map /set up engines in cars, and i know he does lots of wrc engines still as when i went down his the week before last there was at least 4 in the build room sealed up ready to go out the door. obviously his time is going to cost but that is the same for anyone,

Plus people will say i am biased as i always use him as he is 10 minutes from my house but it seems every other wrc engine you see in car or stand alone for sale is either built or mapped by him

steven mc kay

i have spoken to a very good wrc engine builder this week that knows tommy well, he told me that , him self, tommy or harvey could give me what i am after.
after a chat with him and also talks with dominic we reacon marc a 2nd had engine rebuilt will be my cheep"st way for me. and then have it re built.
lots of wrc parts are hard to get hold of now is a problem .

i would like a ex late spec mountune engine and i have seen a few for sale, mt has one at the moment on his web site. and as you say lots are mapped by tommy field
i no jim says a mountune engine has a number on rocker cover but its not the first time a well knowen brake"er from essex has changed rockers around lol

thanks steven

M K

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Any engine Tommy has touched will have a build folder same as all tuners so anything you buy 2nd hand should be easy to check up on like last rebuild etc and full spec

lee2cossies

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The best by far to map a yb is Paul hills without a doubt.

Paul_RS

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I'd imagine you'd be best going with who Dominic recommends as he's the man building the car.

DazC

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Fpmsl!!

steven mc kay

have had a chat with dominic ref a wrc engine , he says i am best getting a good 2nd hand donky complete with all its parts and then strip it and check it over , give it a fresh up top and tail ect ect. we did not chat about mapping , i just wanted to see what peoples thoughts were on it.

i will get it mapped on a dyno but will chat with dominic who he thinks should be used when the time comes .

who every dyno maps it will also be needed to check it in car .

i have made my mind up i would like a later spec mountune engine , rebuilt by harvey, tommy field, mountune, pireo . these are all good wrc engine builders .

thanks steven

steven mc kay

i hear lots of things about said person, all bad i might add, wouldnt let him map my lawnmore.

thanks steven