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Old Aug 4, 2012 | 03:36 AM
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does anyone remember what the actual original topic of this thread was
Apparently it was a discussion as to which batman film came first, the current winner being the dark knight
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Old Aug 4, 2012 | 08:19 AM
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it's not actually running or moving jay got in the boot
That just made my morning pmsl

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Old Aug 4, 2012 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Moonstone Steve.
That just made my morning pmsl

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he can take the piss i gota pay him Ł200 at fordfair for a camera so i think im guna bring it in pennies and make him count the fuckin lot

and i keep telling the senile old fart im fuckin short for my weight
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Originally Posted by dojj
Apparently it was a discussion as to which batman film came first, the current winner being the dark knight
shit its been that long i thought it was who shot JR
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Old Aug 4, 2012 | 10:20 AM
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shit its been that long i thought it was who shot JR
so it wasn't batman then
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Old Aug 4, 2012 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by dojj
so it wasn't batman then
well he might of shot but never watched it for all i know it could of been hulk hogan Dojj
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Old Aug 4, 2012 | 11:16 AM
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To be honest, 7.45:1 and 14 degrees at 7000 rpm is about right with 2bar of boost actually, would normally be around 9 in the midrange for that compression and of course it should go up with RPM to the mid teens as the engines VE drops off.

Not sure why you say you need the car to see inj dur though Danny, the ECU decides injector duration and the correct Pectel software tells you precisely what it will be at any given point and air temperature as long as you know how to use it, as Tony clearly does.

Dont know what this "mismot" software ius you use, but it doesnt sound good if you cant tell what the map is going to output to the engine?

Whats this about tweaking my map and it not starting? Thought you had solved that issue we argued about for days when I said you couldnt alter it, only copy it, and you swore blind you could, so I asked for proof and then everyone went quiet and the topic died after you and I spoke on the phone.

My point about the inj duty is that just because the ecu tells you how much fuel the inj are using this doesnt tell you your actual duty cycle live as how do you know what fuel pressure the car was actually set at??


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Old Aug 4, 2012 | 11:22 AM
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Shit, sorry, I thought when you typed 45 THOUSAND RPM you meant the rev limiter was set a tad too high and you were being your usual sarcastic self and meaning it was 14 degrees at somewhere over 8000rpm...

Its 14 degrees at 4.5k at 2 bar of boost!!!

Ps..we managed to modify a few of your chips stu..ask mattman with the kit car,one of your customers?he was one i can think of..


Any way girls im of for the w.end so enjoy !!


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Old Aug 4, 2012 | 02:47 PM
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Danny cani ask a innocent question

if everyones files are so bad you have to modify them then why dont you use your own ?
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Old Aug 4, 2012 | 03:03 PM
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Mistaken here are the figures off the Dyno The boost @ 4k - 0.4 @ 4.5k - 0.65 @ 5k - 1.4. The lambda @ 4k - 0.84 @ 4.5k - 0.82 and @ 5k - 0.8 ... The software is tdr iems .. Steves Msd chip was never modded or tried to as he wanted to keep it .. Yes Msd chips have been modded .. The fact remains with Steves engine cr etc at the spark advance it was set to would not has caused det .
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Old Aug 4, 2012 | 03:05 PM
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Ps jay everyone has close files to start with its a base to map with ... The iems rights are actually owned buy Ahmed ! If your live mapping it does not matter who or what you start with so long as the end result is safe and correct
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Originally Posted by 750hp escos
Mistaken here are the figures off the Dyno The boost @ 4k - 0.4 @ 4.5k - 0.65 @ 5k - 1.4. The lambda @ 4k - 0.84 @ 4.5k - 0.82 and @ 5k - 0.8 ... The software is tdr iems .. Steves Msd chip was never modded or tried to as he wanted to keep it .. Yes Msd chips have been modded .. The fact remains with Steves engine cr etc at the spark advance it was set to would not has caused det .
Danny you are wrong about my msd chip, I was there when Luke tried to fiddle with it but failed. You my friend was not.

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Old Aug 4, 2012 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 750hp escos
My point about the inj duty is that just because the ecu tells you how much fuel the inj are using this doesnt tell you your actual duty cycle live as how do you know what fuel pressure the car was actually set at??
You use standard fuel pressure when mapping live surely? Why would you ever not do so?

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Ah, the old Terry Drury Racing hacked software. That actually DOES tell you the injector duration, but its speed density so of course you need to look at the changing breakpoints as the density alters to ensure its correct at the temperature your looking at. Mind you, it can only correctly read weber firmware as anyone who can alter the map sensor calibration at foirmware level does so in a place trhat software cant read so it always shows as a 2 bar file. Always confuses idiots that one. LOL

What emulator have you hooked it into in order to work live?

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Mistaken here are the figures off the Dyno The boost @ 4k - 0.4 @ 4.5k - 0.65 @ 5k - 1.4.
Why did it not make 20psi until 5000rpm? It wasnt mapped on a dyno was it?

Its 14 degrees at 4.5k at 2 bar of boost!!!
I thoiugh you just said it didnt have 2 bar ever when mapping it according to your graph?

Steves Msd chip was never modded or tried to as he wanted to keep it .. Yes Msd chips have been modded
Some of my L8 & P8 chips can be modded and restart the car no problem, especially old ones... All L1 and L6 can. But most modern L8 & P8 cant... as most tuners know, you end up just cranking and cranking and cant figure out what you did wrong. LOL
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Originally Posted by Moonstone Steve.
Danny you are wrong about my msd chip, I was there when Luke tried to fiddle with it but failed. You my friend was not.

Steve
Let me guess. Went away, tweaked the map, came back, car wouldnt start, looked confused, repeat above process a couple of times, looks really frustrated, probably embarassed, finally gives up and starts again with someone elses copied chip?
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Old Aug 4, 2012 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 750hp escos
Ps jay everyone has close files to start with its a base to map with ... The iems rights are actually owned buy Ahmed ! If your live mapping it does not matter who or what you start with so long as the end result is safe and correct

no mate missed my poiint why attempt to hack/mod a tuners software if its no good to mod it ! why not just use your own files to begin with
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Let me guess. Went away, tweaked the map, came back, car wouldnt start, looked confused, repeat above process a couple of times, looks really frustrated, probably embarassed, finally gives up and starts again with someone elses copied chip?
Was you there lol,

now I have a fooked engine and a chip fit for the bin

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Old Aug 4, 2012 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Moonstone Steve.
Was you there lol,

now I have a fooked engine and a chip fit for the bin

Steve
But Steve it's just been highlighted that the chip did not " fuck " your engine !!! Also I have just spoken to Luke who said he can not remember but seems to think you took your Msd chip away with you , he also said why would he have gone away to make a tweak when his laptop and emulator was in your car ! ... You are speculating and moving away from the real point which is Did the spark advance cause the det ..... Answer is probably not !!!
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All history now mate, I have moved on and learnt a lesson in life.....simplessssssss

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well this thread has gone abit of track lol anyway gold silver cycling team pursuit is starting gb v usa
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another gold and wr
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nearly lapped usa
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kicked there arses, was on the same straight at the end lol

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Originally Posted by Moonstone Steve.
Danny you are wrong about my msd chip, I was there when Luke tried to fiddle with it but failed. You my friend was not.

Steve
Could you describe the exact prosess he went through and how you identified this as a failed attempt to use the Msd chip as a base ? And of course if you can understand and describe this maybe you can map a car ?
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did you know The Andean flamingo has yellow legs and feet.

and

Adult flamingos range from 3.3 to 4.6 feet tall and weigh 3.3 to 9 pounds depending on their species. Wingspans range from 3.3 to 5 feet. There are 6 species of flamingo.
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did you know The Andean flamingo has yellow legs and feet.

and

Adult flamingos range from 3.3 to 4.6 feet tall and weigh 3.3 to 9 pounds depending on their species. Wingspans range from 3.3 to 5 feet. There are 6 species of flamingo.

thats amazing jay i never knew that thanks did you also known that the hedgehog has the almost the same hand print as a human?
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Originally Posted by Moonstone Steve.
Was you there lol,

now I have a fooked engine and a chip fit for the bin

Steve
No, its what I would expect to happen unless it was emulated for live mapping in which case it would be fine while tweaking, until you tried to restart the car on the modified and saved version of my file and the CRC check failed, as this is only checked at startup.
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After many attempts at altering the msd chip and trying to start my car and failing he got out the car walked upstairs got another chip and proceeded to map my car, now as I'm only a dick head of a kitchen fitter i took that as a failure to alter a msd chip, and then when it wouldnt make anymore boost than the msd map and much head scratching he drilled out the union on the air injector and hey presto booooooooooooooooost, which was prob what was needed for the msd chip to make the power it should of

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thats amazing jay i never knew that thanks did you also known that the hedgehog has the almost the same hand print as a human?
thats amazing but did you know meerkats get up later on cold or rainy days just like humans
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thats amazing but did you know meerkats get up later on cold or rainy days just like humans

amazing jay i feel furnished with amazing info at the moment!!
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thats amazing jay i never knew that thanks did you also known that the hedgehog has the almost the same hand print as a human?
Only when its been run over by a 40ft arctic lorry lol

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thats amazing but did you know meerkats get up later on cold or rainy days just like humans
Ah but if Rhino horn is an afrodisiac why are they endagered?
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Originally Posted by Moonstone Steve.
Only when its been run over by a 40ft arctic lorry lol

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Ah but if Rhino horn is an afrodisiac why are they endagered?

how did i know you would sniff this nurishing informative bit of thread out lol welcome
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Originally Posted by Moonstone Steve.
All history now mate, I have moved on and learnt a lesson in life.....simplessssssss

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Well Steve if it's history stop trying to Sugest the map caused your engine to fail ! When it did not !! .
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jay did u know that concorde traveled faster then a rifle bullet
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Originally Posted by Moonstone Steve.
After many attempts at altering the msd chip and trying to start my car and failing he got out the car walked upstairs got another chip and proceeded to map my car, now as I'm only a dick head of a kitchen fitter i took that as a failure to alter a msd chip, and then when it wouldnt make anymore boost than the msd map and much head scratching he drilled out the union on the air injector and hey presto booooooooooooooooost, which was prob what was needed for the msd chip to make the power it should of

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This is my point to danny IF chips are incrypted and others are crap why go to these lengths to copy or use info off them when you have your own base maps to work from ? If by anychance you got your hands on a chip so for instance someone who did not understand pectel or webber and you tried to copy it then you would inherit a bad file so then you could end up with something as silly as a bad starting car to a blown up one ! so if you have your own that you have used time and time again why bother with another tuners one
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jay did u know that concorde traveled faster then a rifle bullet
this thread just keeps giving and giving
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Originally Posted by 750hp escos
Could you describe the exact prosess he went through and how you identified this as a failed attempt to use the Msd chip as a base ? And of course if you can understand and describe this maybe you can map a car ?
Maybe you should think about what you are saying before you post it as now you are arguing with a previous customer on a public forum telling him that he should have specialist knowledge of exactly how a car should be mapped moonstone as I have no clue how it is done and what should be the correct process all he knows is that he brought the car to you in good faith expecting a quality job to be done If he could map it himself he may have saved himself the cost of a engine rebuild !
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this thread just keeps giving and giving

it is truely amazing
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Doug I have learnt that I would not let Luke map my sa nav

And did you know that is impossible to do nothing at all,as even when your are doing nothing you are in fact doing something by doing nothing
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Originally Posted by Less.
Doug I have learnt that I would not let Luke map my sa nav

And did you know that is impossible to do nothing at all,as even when your are doing nothing you are in fact doing something by doing nothing

Less fuck offf
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