Another failed gated sump causing engine meltdown
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ah the old double negative thing lol and det is uncontrolled burning of fuel,pinking in a way but when running high boost etc it will lead to ones piston getting rather moist
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This is my point to danny IF chips are incrypted and others are crap why go to these lengths to copy or use info off them when you have your own base maps to work from ? If by anychance you got your hands on a chip so for instance someone who did not understand pectel or webber and you tried to copy it then you would inherit a bad file so then you could end up with something as silly as a bad starting car to a blown up one ! so if you have your own that you have used time and time again why bother with another tuners one
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Mistaken here are the figures off the Dyno The boost @ 4k - 0.4 @ 4.5k - 0.65 @ 5k - 1.4. The lambda @ 4k - 0.84 @ 4.5k - 0.82 and @ 5k - 0.8 
... The software is tdr iems .. Steves Msd chip was never modded or tried to as he wanted to keep it .. Yes Msd chips have been modded .. The fact remains with Steves engine cr etc at the spark advance it was set to would not has caused det .
... The software is tdr iems .. Steves Msd chip was never modded or tried to as he wanted to keep it .. Yes Msd chips have been modded .. The fact remains with Steves engine cr etc at the spark advance it was set to would not has caused det .Mark
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Ahh bless you tony how does it feel to be WRONG ! I love the fact you have had a come back to which I totally respect but still feel it just to slate others when your own record is not with out Failier ! Not a dig just a fact .. If you were not so grumpy we would probably get on very well lol
are you female danny roflol It is not me that is wrong
let me simplify it for you 4000-4500 rpm 2 bar boost 14.25 degrees = det
you asked for stu's opinion and he posted 9 degrees
my trick steve 4i map you stole and decided you were better than me was 8 degrees so you added 6.25 degrees and took out fuel the result being moonstone has a perfect set of 4 matching detted pistons
nobody elses engine that I have mapped has detted only the one you mapped
let me simplify it for you 4000-4500 rpm 2 bar boost 14.25 degrees = det
you asked for stu's opinion and he posted 9 degrees
my trick steve 4i map you stole and decided you were better than me was 8 degrees so you added 6.25 degrees and took out fuel the result being moonstone has a perfect set of 4 matching detted pistons
nobody elses engine that I have mapped has detted only the one you mapped
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To be honest, 7.45:1 and 14 degrees at 7000 rpm is about right with 2bar of boost actually, would normally be around 9 in the midrange for that compression and of course it should go up with RPM to the mid teens as the engines VE drops off.
Not sure why you say you need the car to see inj dur though Danny, the ECU decides injector duration and the correct Pectel software tells you precisely what it will be at any given point and air temperature as long as you know how to use it, as Tony clearly does.
Dont know what this "mismot" software ius you use, but it doesnt sound good if you cant tell what the map is going to output to the engine?
Whats this about tweaking my map and it not starting? Thought you had solved that issue we argued about for days when I said you couldnt alter it, only copy it, and you swore blind you could, so I asked for proof and then everyone went quiet and the topic died after you and I spoke on the phone.
Not sure why you say you need the car to see inj dur though Danny, the ECU decides injector duration and the correct Pectel software tells you precisely what it will be at any given point and air temperature as long as you know how to use it, as Tony clearly does.
Dont know what this "mismot" software ius you use, but it doesnt sound good if you cant tell what the map is going to output to the engine?
Whats this about tweaking my map and it not starting? Thought you had solved that issue we argued about for days when I said you couldnt alter it, only copy it, and you swore blind you could, so I asked for proof and then everyone went quiet and the topic died after you and I spoke on the phone.
something else for you danny that has just sprung to mind is whilst you adjusted the ignition tables and messed them up, what you also have done is pasted in the fuel table out of your version of my 4i chip you stole that you harp on was so rich.
let me just remind you what you posted before, the engines are different specs and different turbos 4i on a t38 and moonstone on a mighty t4
You have used exactly the same fuel tables of both
this reminds me I best check rams fuel table as this may also be your lean version of my stolen map as he has dropped a valve seat on number 3
let me just remind you what you posted before, the engines are different specs and different turbos 4i on a t38 and moonstone on a mighty t4
You have used exactly the same fuel tables of both
this reminds me I best check rams fuel table as this may also be your lean version of my stolen map as he has dropped a valve seat on number 3
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Right im still none of the wiser here Danny and this topic has more angles than a mafia boss in court lol BUT MY question i think is on topic seeing as everyone is argueing about files and ignition ect ! so im trying to through light on this ! Now you have openly admitted using msd and turbo system files well tried to use msd's stuff and you claim you have your own Data but want to use theres for some reason but claim tony mapped a car incorrectly and say stu's you cant hack ! So why did you bother with any of them and just not waste your own time and use your own files
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From: gatwick
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are you for real danny
let me simplify it for you 4000-4500 rpm 2 bar boost 14.25 degrees = det
you asked for stu's opinion and he posted 9 degrees
my trick steve 4i map you stole and decided you were better than me was 8 degrees so you added 6.25 degrees and took out fuel the result being moonstone has a perfect set of 4 matching detted pistons
nobody elses engine that I have mapped has detted only the one you mapped
let me simplify it for you 4000-4500 rpm 2 bar boost 14.25 degrees = det
you asked for stu's opinion and he posted 9 degrees
my trick steve 4i map you stole and decided you were better than me was 8 degrees so you added 6.25 degrees and took out fuel the result being moonstone has a perfect set of 4 matching detted pistons
nobody elses engine that I have mapped has detted only the one you mapped
Oh god tony you are so depressing, you are quoting statistics not actual live dynamics ! That engine did not det !!! If your so insistent put your bottle of booze down go and build Steves engine to the same spec as last time and put the map in and run it with stu present to confirm ! But that said the engine eaven if built the same may behave slightly different !!!! And tony my escort which ran 647hp at 2.3 bar at 8.1 comp at lam 8.2 had 13.7 degrees spark at 4700 to limiter and never fell Appart ! Luke mapped it from engine Dyno to rolling road to track you may like to check out the vid on you tube . Com and search for Danny and si b !!!!! If Luke can't map why did that car last so long and do so well !!!! STOP your witch hunt and carrie on with your comeback ..... Fact is until you have tried you don't no !!!!
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are you female danny roflol It is not me that is wrong
let me simplify it for you 4000-4500 rpm 2 bar boost 14.25 degrees = det
you asked for stu's opinion and he posted 9 degrees
my trick steve 4i map you stole and decided you were better than me was 8 degrees so you added 6.25 degrees and took out fuel the result being moonstone has a perfect set of 4 matching detted pistons
nobody elses engine that I have mapped has detted only the one you mapped
let me simplify it for you 4000-4500 rpm 2 bar boost 14.25 degrees = det
you asked for stu's opinion and he posted 9 degrees
my trick steve 4i map you stole and decided you were better than me was 8 degrees so you added 6.25 degrees and took out fuel the result being moonstone has a perfect set of 4 matching detted pistons
nobody elses engine that I have mapped has detted only the one you mapped
You need to get a female and stop editing your posts lol
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From: biggin hill
That's an easy one that I can answer on his behalf he does not have any occasionally he uploads somebody else's map and changes a few things gets lucky nothing goes wrong and the customer is none the wiser !!!
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Thats just below the belt imo 750hp escos no need for it and banter that is not.
Danny as i,m frequent interested reader on here its coming across like your hating not debating. Surely your in no real position to claim you know what your doing and others dont? Correct me if i,m wrong mate as i dont know you. So far everything you,ve argued seems to of been dealt with and replied by people who dont need to prove anything . If they notice something incorrect it is their professionalism that will determine why and hows. I dont see anything or sense any personal negatives toward you only defintive answers which are consistent with other pro,s views on it.
Keep the passion mate but dont burn bridges so to speak your better than that .
Danny as i,m frequent interested reader on here its coming across like your hating not debating. Surely your in no real position to claim you know what your doing and others dont? Correct me if i,m wrong mate as i dont know you. So far everything you,ve argued seems to of been dealt with and replied by people who dont need to prove anything . If they notice something incorrect it is their professionalism that will determine why and hows. I dont see anything or sense any personal negatives toward you only defintive answers which are consistent with other pro,s views on it.
Keep the passion mate but dont burn bridges so to speak your better than that .
danny moonstones engine will disagree with you as it has 4 beautifully detted pistons
we await your diagnosis and detailed explanation
How can you possibly use as defence the ignition table from an engine that has a different bore stroke ratio,a different displacement, different cams, different head porting, different inlet manifold. totally different ecu and a totally different turbo
we await your diagnosis and detailed explanation
How can you possibly use as defence the ignition table from an engine that has a different bore stroke ratio,a different displacement, different cams, different head porting, different inlet manifold. totally different ecu and a totally different turbo
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danny moonstones engine will disagree with you as it has 4 beautifully detted pistons
we await your diagnosis and detailed explanation
How can you possibly use as defence the ignition table from an engine that has a different bore stroke ratio,a different displacement, different cams, different head porting, different inlet manifold. totally different ecu and a totally different turbo
we await your diagnosis and detailed explanation
How can you possibly use as defence the ignition table from an engine that has a different bore stroke ratio,a different displacement, different cams, different head porting, different inlet manifold. totally different ecu and a totally different turbo
Tony stop speculating and get building then we. Can test !!! With stu to watch and advise and listen ! . The map did no cause the failed engine please post pictures of said pistons
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if i posted pics of said pistons you would only deny that they had detonated or that they aren't moonstones pistons
Moonstone has seen his detted pistons as he took them out
I received the engine in boxes
I doubt the owner of the engine would want to use his new engine to test your theories one could argue he has already tested the map and has the empty wallet to prove it
Moonstone has seen his detted pistons as he took them out
I received the engine in boxes
I doubt the owner of the engine would want to use his new engine to test your theories one could argue he has already tested the map and has the empty wallet to prove it
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From: biggin hill
I regret not having my car mapped with Danny now as I would have melted my pistons long before my sump baffles came off and caused an issue as the pistons are only Ł550 and I have a repair bill for over 2k !!!