F1 Spec????
10-12-2009, 09:59 AM
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meant to say as well the DFV and its derivatives are still winning highly competitive HISTORIC F1 and other races even today, and at 40k plus for a tired one and 30k to rebuild alone, I doubt the valve springs used in them are 40, 30 or even 20 years old but will be brand new even if the technology to design them was much older.
10-12-2009, 10:25 AM
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Chip,
The only point I was trying to make is that if you want to belittle Danny or anyone else for stating "F1 spec" instead of "Historic F1 spec" is that you need to apply this across the board to appear consistant, rather than belittling.
Therefore, myself and anyone else with this kind of spec should really be reminded by yourself and cronies et al, that we have "historic WRC spec" items, so as not to confuse people .
The only point I was trying to make is that if you want to belittle Danny or anyone else for stating "F1 spec" instead of "Historic F1 spec" is that you need to apply this across the board to appear consistant, rather than belittling.
Therefore, myself and anyone else with this kind of spec should really be reminded by yourself and cronies et al, that we have "historic WRC spec" items, so as not to confuse people
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10-12-2009, 10:31 AM
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Therefore, myself and anyone else with this kind of spec should really be reminded by yourself and cronies et al, that we have "historic WRC spec" items, so as not to confuse people .
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I think that calling the springs that nearly all the competitive cars in historic formula one use "historic formula 1 springs" makes perfect sense, as clearly thats springs used in historic formula 1, but until there is a "historic WRC" class I dont see why you would want to apply that term to your spoiler, I certainly wouldnt ever do so, so please stop putting words into my mouth.
10-12-2009, 10:32 AM
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For turner RS as an example, I would wager its at least 10% of all his posts ever made on this forum are about me, in fact probably more than that.
Mate i am just a fly on the wall, and you talk mainly shit, as the saying goes "like flys to shit" .This sums up my perspective on the matter.
Love you
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10-12-2009, 10:47 AM
#208
I wasnt belittling anyone, I was simply agreeing with olddan that is the easiest way to avoid confusion as to what they refer to, although personally I would call them "DFV springs" if I was to call them anything, but then a lot of people wouldnt know what that means, but the people I am likely to be talking to about my engines would.
There is no "historic WRC" series, so thats totally incorrect.
I think that calling the springs that nearly all the competitive cars in historic formula one use "historic formula 1 springs" makes perfect sense, as clearly thats springs used in historic formula 1, but until there is a "historic WRC" class I dont see why you would want to apply that term to your spoiler, I certainly wouldnt ever do so, so please stop putting words into my mouth.
There is no "historic WRC" series, so thats totally incorrect.
I think that calling the springs that nearly all the competitive cars in historic formula one use "historic formula 1 springs" makes perfect sense, as clearly thats springs used in historic formula 1, but until there is a "historic WRC" class I dont see why you would want to apply that term to your spoiler, I certainly wouldnt ever do so, so please stop putting words into my mouth.
OMG, you're actually splitting hairs on the word "historic" now un-fucking believable .By "historic" I personally mean, "narrated or mentioned in history; belonging to the past" i.e. NOT current.
Therefore "historic F1 springs" in my mind is "belonging to the past", not a particular race series
. Ipso-facto, my spec IS (by the above defintion of "historic F1 springs"
) historic WRC spec, not just plain WRC . However, if it is okay with you, I'll continue to call them "F1 springs" and "WRC spoilers" etc . I'll leave the "historic" to the idiots .
10-12-2009, 10:50 AM
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Well after sifting through this thread I still can't see what it's all about. To me, stating that they are F1 spec isn't unreasonable if they have been used in an F1 engine... regardless of age.
And Chip, saying that an Escort Cosworth WRC car is a different story just shows how determined you are about not being proved wrong.
What a load of pish.
And Chip, saying that an Escort Cosworth WRC car is a different story just shows how determined you are about not being proved wrong.
What a load of pish.
10-12-2009, 10:54 AM
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OMG, you're actually splitting hairs on the word "historic" now un-fucking believable .By "historic" I personally mean, "narrated or mentioned in history; belonging to the past" i.e. NOT current.
Therefore "historic F1 springs" in my mind is "belonging to the past", not a particular race series
. Ipso-facto, my spec IS (by the above defintion of "historic F1 springs"
) historic WRC spec, not just plain WRC . However, if it is okay with you, I'll continue to call them "F1 springs" and "WRC spoilers" etc . I'll leave the "historic" to the idiots .There is no "historic wrc" race series, but if you wish to just use the word historic to refer to anything that is from yesterday or before thats entirely up to you mate, dont start implying ive done so though.
10-12-2009, 10:58 AM
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Ive used the term historic formula 1 springs, to refer to the springs used in the historic formula 1 race series in the many DFV powered cars that compete in it.
I havent used the term historic WRC that mike has made up, because no such series exists, so I wouldnt refer to his spoiler as being from a non-existant series but would refer to DFV springs as being from a thriving and ongoing series.
I really dont see why you think that is not different, one exists, one doesnt, it really is that simple.
If in 20 years time there is a historic WRC series that the escorts compete in, then at that point it would make sense Mike referring to his spoiler as such if he wants to, in the mean time he can call it that too if he wants to refer to something that way, makes no odds to me and ive never suggested he does so.
Springs used in historic formula 1 = historic formula 1 springs
very simple concept IMHO
10-12-2009, 11:00 AM
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Only on pf could such a simple question turn into a 6 page debat lol!
Although i find some of the points raised on this thread quite interesting,which is why i like this site so much,as there is so many people who know so much etc!
However in this case!who cares its only a valve spring lol!the question has been answered so that is that!
Although i find some of the points raised on this thread quite interesting,which is why i like this site so much,as there is so many people who know so much etc!
However in this case!who cares its only a valve spring lol
!the question has been answered so that is that!
10-12-2009, 11:01 AM
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Wrong about what?
Ive used the term historic formula 1 springs, to refer to the springs used in the historic formula 1 race series in the many DFV powered cars that compete in it.
I havent used the term historic WRC that mike has made up, because no such series exists, so I wouldnt refer to his spoiler as being from a non-existant series but would refer to DFV springs as being from a thriving and ongoing series.
I really dont see why you think that is not different, one exists, one doesnt, it really is that simple.
If in 20 years time there is a historic WRC series that the escorts compete in, then at that point it would make sense Mike referring to his spoiler as such if he wants to, in the mean time he can call it that too if he wants to refer to something that way, makes no odds to me and ive never suggested he does so.
Springs used in historic formula 1 = historic formula 1 springs
very simple concept IMHO
Ive used the term historic formula 1 springs, to refer to the springs used in the historic formula 1 race series in the many DFV powered cars that compete in it.
I havent used the term historic WRC that mike has made up, because no such series exists, so I wouldnt refer to his spoiler as being from a non-existant series but would refer to DFV springs as being from a thriving and ongoing series.
I really dont see why you think that is not different, one exists, one doesnt, it really is that simple.
If in 20 years time there is a historic WRC series that the escorts compete in, then at that point it would make sense Mike referring to his spoiler as such if he wants to, in the mean time he can call it that too if he wants to refer to something that way, makes no odds to me and ive never suggested he does so.
Springs used in historic formula 1 = historic formula 1 springs
very simple concept IMHO
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10-12-2009, 11:04 AM
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http://historicformulaone.com/about/
Since Olddan first mentioned it one page one of this thread, you just obviously were so desperate to shoot me down you didnt stop to think about what I was actually saying
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10-12-2009, 11:07 AM
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Wrong about what?
Ive used the term historic formula 1 springs, to refer to the springs used in the historic formula 1 race series in the many DFV powered cars that compete in it.
I havent used the term historic WRC that mike has made up, because no such series exists, so I wouldnt refer to his spoiler as being from a non-existant series but would refer to DFV springs as being from a thriving and ongoing series.
I really dont see why you think that is not different, one exists, one doesnt, it really is that simple.
If in 20 years time there is a historic WRC series that the escorts compete in, then at that point it would make sense Mike referring to his spoiler as such if he wants to, in the mean time he can call it that too if he wants to refer to something that way, makes no odds to me and ive never suggested he does so.
Springs used in historic formula 1 = historic formula 1 springs
very simple concept IMHO
Ive used the term historic formula 1 springs, to refer to the springs used in the historic formula 1 race series in the many DFV powered cars that compete in it.
I havent used the term historic WRC that mike has made up, because no such series exists, so I wouldnt refer to his spoiler as being from a non-existant series but would refer to DFV springs as being from a thriving and ongoing series.
I really dont see why you think that is not different, one exists, one doesnt, it really is that simple.
If in 20 years time there is a historic WRC series that the escorts compete in, then at that point it would make sense Mike referring to his spoiler as such if he wants to, in the mean time he can call it that too if he wants to refer to something that way, makes no odds to me and ive never suggested he does so.
Springs used in historic formula 1 = historic formula 1 springs
very simple concept IMHO
It would seem many people in this thread have the same opinion as me and you haven't listened to them, so if you can't see/understand it, or simply don't want to, I won't waste the time trying to explain it.
10-12-2009, 11:13 AM
#216
Chip,
I might be desperate for many things, but that isn't one of them (to get my car finished for Feb is) .
I just felt it unfair that their was a barage against Danny (where you appeared to be the "ring-leader"), when he was backing the (IMO) 100% correct term in stating "F1 springs", when the DFV ones are used in the YB. Even though you KNEW they were the DFV springs (as in, F1 car springs), you still sided against him to try and make him look small - just didn't sit well with me.
Nothing more, nothing less.
I might be desperate for many things, but that isn't one of them (to get my car finished for Feb is
) . I just felt it unfair that their was a barage against Danny (where you appeared to be the "ring-leader"
), when he was backing the (IMO) 100% correct term in stating "F1 springs", when the DFV ones are used in the YB. Even though you KNEW they were the DFV springs (as in, F1 car springs), you still sided against him to try and make him look small - just didn't sit well with me.Nothing more, nothing less.
10-12-2009, 11:13 AM
#217
Baiting wasted on me Chip, I simply don't care enough about the internet.
It would seem many people in this thread have the same opinion as me and you haven't listened to them, so if you can't see/understand it, or simply don't want to, I won't waste the time trying to explain it.
It would seem many people in this thread have the same opinion as me and you haven't listened to them, so if you can't see/understand it, or simply don't want to, I won't waste the time trying to explain it.
If people want to say "f1 spec" they can, I find it amusing, or if they want to be really accurate they can say "historic f1 spec" which is obviously far more indicative of the real origins of these springs, as mike mentions they were probably made fairly recently, and when made they were made destined for HFO not F1 anyway.
10-12-2009, 11:15 AM
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Chip,
I might be desperate for many things, but that isn't one of them (to get my car finished for Feb is) .
I just felt it unfair that their was a barage against Danny (where you appeared to be the "ring-leader"), when he was backing the (IMO) 100% correct term in stating "F1 springs", when the DFV ones are used in the YB. Even though you KNEW they were the DFV springs (as in, F1 car springs), you still sided against him to try and make him look small - just didn't sit well with me.
Nothing more, nothing less.
I might be desperate for many things, but that isn't one of them (to get my car finished for Feb is
) . I just felt it unfair that their was a barage against Danny (where you appeared to be the "ring-leader"
), when he was backing the (IMO) 100% correct term in stating "F1 springs", when the DFV ones are used in the YB. Even though you KNEW they were the DFV springs (as in, F1 car springs), you still sided against him to try and make him look small - just didn't sit well with me.Nothing more, nothing less.
I agreed with olddan that "historic f1" was the more accurate description as that is all they are used for now, not F1, thats not taking sides with people though, as with any thread i'm in, my only "side" is that of truth and accuracy (and occasionally a bit of humour), Ive nothing against Danny at all, he seems like a nice fella to me.
I do find "pub spec sheets" amusing though, wether that be his or anyone elses.
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10-12-2009, 11:29 AM
#220
? I need to know, just so I can be 100% precise and accurate, as it clearly matters with the "F1 springs", so it has to be even more crucial when it comes to WRC / touring car parts surely ?
10-12-2009, 11:38 AM
#222
If that is the case, then and I can't call "historic WRC spoilers" "historic" because there is no such formula, and I can't call them WRC spoilers (because according to the above, being 10 years out of date, they are clearly NOT current WRC spec), WTF can I call them ? I need to know, just so I can be 100% precise and accurate, as it clearly matters with the "F1 springs", so it has to be even more crucial when it comes to WRC / touring car parts surely ?
? I need to know, just so I can be 100% precise and accurate, as it clearly matters with the "F1 springs", so it has to be even more crucial when it comes to WRC / touring car parts surely ?
Jeeze, I MUST be behind the times
10-12-2009, 12:07 PM
#233
Its 18 years since they were in F1, but they are still in current use in HFO.
I guess in that context you could even argue that yours is now a "clubman rally spoiler" if you are still desperately looking for a new name for it
Last edited by Chip; 10-12-2009 at 12:11 PM.
10-12-2009, 12:13 PM
#235
What an idiot I am - when will they be introducing the MkI Focus 
?
Last edited by Chip; 10-12-2009 at 12:14 PM.
10-12-2009, 12:33 PM
#238
just to add these are still sold by cosworth and have a part number bearing wrc as mountune found every other spring inferior and started using these only in thier big power engines and wrc etc they also use these very same thing in the focus wrc car to iv been told....so to sum up if you have a 30k engine with these springs and next to the name it says f1 spec you will have to ask to have historic put before f1...even though these are out of date f1 springs they are still regarded as an up to date best spring money can buy alternative to anything else you can get for a yb...
cheers danny
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cheers danny
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10-12-2009, 12:40 PM
#239
just to add these are still sold by cosworth and have a part number bearing wrc as mountune found every other spring inferior and started using these only in thier big power engines and wrc etc they also use these very same thing in the focus wrc car to iv been told....so to sum up if you have a 30k engine with these springs and next to the name it says f1 spec you will have to ask to have historic put before f1...even though these are out of date f1 springs they are still regarded as an up to date best spring money can buy alternative to anything else you can get for a yb...
cheers danny
cheers danny
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10-12-2009, 12:48 PM
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