Staffi

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Chip, most definitely mate, 20k for this engine imo i think is a bloody good price, Dave,s taken a BIG hit here and yet people think what he,s asking is TOO much..

Chip

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Its one of those things that unless you have ever seriously looked into the cost, sounds like a ridiculous figure, if you have ever really seriously considered getting someoen like mark to build you a 700bhp+ (and bare in mind the 711 was on pump!) engine, it doesnt sound bad at all.

RANJ

20k is a fair price for the motor complete. those who have ventured this far know the heartache etc etc.

if i was still into my cosworths, id happily pay dave that, or simply buy the car, cheap car at 45k, you wont build it at that, was ex concourse car till dave got his hands on it

timrud

Yeah chip I read it as what he wanted for the parts. My sums like yours came to 17k!

Ranj if I had a car worthy of the engine then yes it would be a bargain!

Porkie

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Guess you don't know what Dave paid mate!

It was Ranj who took the hit dude! he did Dave an INCREDIBLE deal on it!

RANJ

yup, what mates are for ..... lol, at that point of my ford life i just wanted out, i had lost the love...lol (how gay) and work things was on top of me aswell as just becoming a dad.

rang dave and hours later and few brown bags of cash, jobs a good un

Its Dave

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Here we go have my gold membership back so form a orderly que in the Parts for sale forum.

Porkie

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It was an AMAZING deal you did for him and was INCREDIBLY generous thing to do!!!

Cant help thinking you PROPERLY fooked him up though!!!!!

(not that you EVER meant to!!!!)

Yum used to be a VERY VERY fast and reliable 180mph, comfy, usable, road based Escort....

looked lovely and Dave had FUN going to all the shows and meets in this country and abroad....

the deal you offered was too good to turn down obviously and so Dave started the quest for HUGE bhp... and HUGE hassle!!!

Before that, it was only a pretty simple spec and had no bling bits really... BUT it was a legendary and iconic car on the scene. (and the 180mph at Brunters was V impressive!) and Yum was COOL.

sadly though, I don't think the car was ever really the same again though really....

Yes it was faster WHEN it was working, but it became a ROYAL pain in the ass and an emotional and financial PIT!

Sometimes LESS.... is soooo much MORE!

Nick D

Amen to that, takes time to realise tho!!!!

Unless were talking about funbags obviously

dave cos4x4

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Well i hope EVERYBODY thinking of going BIG power in their cars read this and think twice before they commit themselves.

rsnissan

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I was gonna say the same thing about daves car I remember it a few years back at the middx PF meets and it used to RIP on the roads,

T38, Autronics, bit of head work nuff said

........there was the small problem of musical gearboxes though

Good luck with breaking it mate

dave cos4x4

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Dave, do you regret going big power and going for 200+ mph?

AJC

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2nd'd

dave, i to have thought the same, but i think id sell mine whole

Jay,

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Exactly fuck the average idiot on here Dave your car your money

mrfocuscosworth

Just get it lit for one last time. Our engines are tried and tested, 15 min races at full pelt, dyno sessions are like warm up laps to us.

As for the gearbox it would need to a proper pile of shite to split in two once it gets going, its normally on launch or at least down at low speeds the damage is done.






When the flag drops the bullshit stops

wozzy

here here!! dave, considering you and helen are really getting into your track days etc, your motor would be fantastic at 500 - 550 bhp. all this number chasing is fun etc but in the real world your car would still be a monster with a gt30 and should get you to the track and back without any probs. or has everything already been sold?? lol!

I'm facing the same dilema with the evo at the mo. gt30, 35 or 40?? not much difference in the cost of turbos but why put myself through the gearbox hassles that a 40 or even a 35 will cause. nice reliable 500bhp track toy. THanks very much!!! good luck with whatever you do. bloody shame to see yum go though!!! hope you and helen are both well.

Warren

Its Dave

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Just been reading this and 1st no regrets at all, dont get me wrong its a great car and a lot of time and effort to get it where it was and l enjoyed building it.

But it a TOY that sits in the garage most of its life and when l use it l do wonder whats the next bill, cossie ownership for you

So some people think im selling up because l cant afford it, well wrong again we have just purchased a Clio and just back from Thailand so no money issues

Why an l breaking it SIMPLE if worth a lot more money that 35k in bits also think how many people it will help get parts that are rare and don't normally come up for sale

So this way l have money in bank and people get rare parts simple

Rod-Tarry

Had a meal with Dave/Helen last night & hes cool with his decision & their will be no change of mind this time. Still think 10k is a bit high for your mirrors Dave ( private joke).

I like Martin could not pull out of a challenge but we are not all the same its Daves car & his reasons so I wish him all the best & 40k in the bank sounds a good option, dont spend all your money lads, this fate will befall mine this time next year.

Rod

CossieRich

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Dave,

have you started pulling it apart yet. Am free sat morning if you need a hand?

andrewg

your breaking the car anyway whats the gear box worth s/hand and whats the worst it would cost to fix,, nothing really to lose,,just last chance to see what its made of!

Chip

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1-2K he'd be risking just to find out what lower power figure his car makes on less boost than it ran on the dyno where it didnt have a box to worry about, is that figure really interesting enough to justify that?

andrewg

be like getting Ł43 or Ł45k for it

andrewg

if he was that concerned why did he say he was up for it at the start

Its Dave

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Because l was not breaking it at that time,

Nick D

Why is it on less boost? Genuine question

Nick D

Also is there no truth in what Martin said regarding the box being loaded up so wont be at that much of a risk?

IMHO if I was looking to purchase this engine I'd be very worried that the owner isn't willing to run it on a dyno day. Mark has said on this thread that there is no problems with running it and he built it, or is this just what has been said publically and different conversations are being had 'behind' the scenes? Just speculating and giving MY opinion before you all start dry bumming me.

andrewg

to me i'd rather do it if i was breaking it ,, then the box wouldn't need refitted

Chip

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Because it hasnt been mapped on high boost yet while installed in the car, and you have potential VE differences between there and on the dyno, if its breathing better or worse through its exhaust and intercooler etc than through the ones on the dyno it can slightly alter the AFR the engine is running at, which obviously has the potential for engine damage, so before Mark is happy for it to be run on full boost under load I beleive he will want to check it over.
Doug Stirlings old escort for example ran a whole AFR point different when in the car, to how SCS ran it in the dyno.

Chip

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Well im sure Martin wouldnt say it unless he has seen examples of where that is the case, but TBH from the failures ive seen people having on 4wd cossie boxes, thats normally when it happens, particuarly when loaded up in 3rd for example, Ive seen more fail that way than launching off the line.


If you were looking to purchace the engine it would put you off that the owner doesnt have confidence in the gearbox at this power level?

Strange comment!

carlo

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Guess we will never know & only be able to guess by the post he made himself saying how fast it was

Chip

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Genuine question here, if you know already it made 711bhp on pump fuel on a superflo dyno on high boost, why does it show you what its made of better to see what it runs on low boost on a set of DD rollers?
To me, the full boost figure is the more interesting one anyway

andrewg

i sense fear in the engine not in the box, box is just an excuse

i don't blame him thou thats why my car is still in the trailer from last race all still running great but i'm done spending money on it this year and don't want to risk any breakages thou if would only cost 2k max to prove a point to all the pf'ers i'd find it hard to resist

andrewg

think he means it would be back to back on same rollers and can be compared with others on the same day

carlo

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It made 711 bhp on the dyno fair enough but that has that acheived in the car? nothing apart from taking ppl out short runs.

andrewg

my engine made 820 odd at one point on the dyno but we decided to keep it at 800 so you could say i'm on low boost too

but i don't

Martin-Hadland

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Ha ha, that made me laugh

Chip

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No need for that sort of slanderous comment at all given that Mark has explicitly stated on this thread he has every confidence in the engine but none in the box. Are you calling him a Liar?


Given the attitude of certain PF'ers, I would imagine the only point they would allow him to "prove", given that its currently only setup for low boost, is that on low boost it makes less power than on the dyno, so then when he advertises the engine for sale every time he lists it as 711bhp he will probably have some mong coming along going "well it only made 607bhp on Martins rollers, blah blah blah" if Dave does run it there.

So for that reason, it seems massively counter productive to selling the engine to give those sort of people some ammunition to pointlessly fire about as of COURSE it makes less power on 1.9 bar than it did on 2.4 bar, he doesnt need a dyno to prove that, he knows it already and so would any serious buyer.

Then like you have just said yourself, there is also the risk of an expensive failure.

So personally I can see NOTHING that he has to gain from putting it on the rollers and potentially quite a lot to lose if it does break the box!




Dave's engine is identical to Rod's now I believe, so in terms of proof of what the core engine he is selling for 10K can do on a rolling road in a car (bearing in mind its now being sold seperate the turbo and ecu etc) people can just watch what Rod's makes on a DD set of rollers shortly, as that will show what Dave's core engine could do too.

andrewg

i'll buy the box then in any condition after the dyno run

BadAss Focus

don't mean to have a dig

but the feeling i think everyone is getting is

no doubt it made the power on the dyno
blew gasket or what ever in the car so it now runs lower boost because of the gear box
hence prob why 200mph is not worth trying.
so the best way to make the engine sellable would be to run it and if the box lasts it will have proven power figures to back it up too

BadAss Focus

i bet the boost was reduced after gasket failure not gearbox failure