Mark Shead

All my customers and engines are always looked after even if its got a diff owner.

Mark

Danny @ Enhanced Performance

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thats realy good and should help with the sale and should stop ppl thinking its not going to last...so if i were to buy this and ask you to map the finished article what sort of gaurantee would you give???just a hypothetical question as i dont need it but wonder how you could gaurantee it???
cheers danny

lead_foot

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Did you ever go for 'King of the Mad Mile'?

WENNY

how did i miss this thread all day

JonnyBravo

It really is the week for petty arguments !

I can see why people would say what they have but the bottom line is the engine isn't being sold complete so he has nothing to prove, the ONLY way it would need proving would be if someone was willing to buy the whole package and then if they can afford that then Dave should and I guess would be happy to do but only as its in the interest of the sale and NOT to please the forum users.

G60rallye

There is a serious amount of crap to get through in this thread to find anything worth reading! One thing did stand out though and thats the old engine dyno vs chasis dyno debate. Surely this thread almost settles the argument that the engine dyno isn't much use for anything other than pub talk numbers? I cant see the point in having to map it twice. Surely it would be easier to save money on the engine dyno, get it done on a proper rolling road and then its 100% right, ready to run full boost from day one?

wozzy

bit off topic, but can someone ( maybe jimbo ) tell me what comp ratio andrew's engine is?? cheers! ( ps. dave go buy an evo! much better cars!! lol )

jb fletch

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I can 100% vouch for that !!

Both Dean & Mark are absolute superstars !!

(1 very happy customer if you couldn't tell lol )

jb

Psycho Warren

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what happened to friendly banter??

DazS1Turbo

Id just like to congratulate Dave/Helen/Mark whoever else was involved in making an old Escort achieve what are in my eyes breathtaking figures.

Get your stuff up listed forsale and move on.

Well done to all involved

JayCC

Ah well, you can't have expected EVERYONE to care! Fair play its done and dusted, if its not right for you to continue, thers no reason to.

See you in a few weeks with ANOTHER "YUM rebuild commencing" Thread.

dojj

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how?

you have the engine set up in a room where you can control everthing
then, when it's in the car, you check things over to see if the map you set up in the perfect room works on the road with a car around the engine

why is there a debate?

G60rallye

Because the engine that we are talking about as chip keeps banging on about still needs alterations because of this and that. So having it mapped in this "perfect room" seems pointless as the real world isn't perfect. I just dont see what the engine dyno gains you apart from pub talk figures, which the engine then cant produce in the real world as has been discussed over the last 10 pages! If the AFR as chip says can sometimes need changing by a whole point to run on the road then you are mapping the engine twice rendering the first effort in my eyes pointless?

Turner RS

Well said the dyno is purely there for pub figures. Incar you then have to run less boost to be safe. If mapped on the road or even a rolling road in the first place then you wouldnt have to turn the boost down pretty simples really. I guess its a way of getting more money out of ones pocket and for the tuner to quote this is a xxx bhp engine, look at me LOL!

Rod-Tarry

Im sure you think your an expert but come on admit it you aint got a clue.
Name any extreme engine lets say Kieth Skyline, Norries Evo, The gobstopper, Andrews engine,My engine & they were all mapped on a Dyno & finalised on an airfield.
The Dyno is about getting the ignition curve correct taking it to its limits on the fuel to be used near impossible on an extreme engine bouncing down the B1268 or on a RR.
The tinkering in the car is normal & means the car can be taken to its limits on the road & it can be tailored to its driver.
Indeed mine is checked before every Topspeed run to be correct on that day, these are not cooking Stages 3 engines . Now tell me my car or indeed the others mentioned dont make the Power in the car, just check the figures these cars run.
This is not a 400bhp plus or minus a house engine its one of the most powerful 'pump fuel' YB engines yet produced.

Rod-Tarry

Another expert they abound on this Forum.
My last engine ran 2.2bar on the Dyno but when we went chasing records ran 2.5bar in the car did over 20 Topspeed runs at a boost level you are suggesting is impossible .
My new engine ran 2.5 bar on the Dyno & will run that or a tad more if we run close to 215 in the car.

When your car or your mates car run within a million miles of mine then perhaps you may have a right to think you are right & Mark is wrong.
TWATT!!

Mike Rainbird

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Because it will be throttle angle (not percentage) and max would be 87° anyway and T6 can set the wide open throttle to be anything you want. So it is either where it has been calibrated to, or there is a calibration issue with the T6 and the data-logging software. The only way to confirm would be to look in the T6 and see what WOT was set to .

danneth

what an awesome read

/would read again

Mike Rainbird

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As much as it pains me to agree with Rod, I have to on this occasion .

There is no other way that you can provide the same kind of repeatability as you can with an engine dyno, so that any changes mad at WOT / cam timing / ignition and rpm can be checked and double checked, so that you can get the absolute maximum power per each rpm increment.

There is absolutely NO WAY you could do this on the road.

Paddy

I would imagine it would be easier to fix any issues on a newly built engine whilst it's on a bench as well?

JonnyBravo

Very much so !

Turner RS

Me a twatt? Do you know me and what i may own? Let's forget that childish comment.

So you ran more boost than mapped for on the dyno? Then sir it was mapped on the road/track or are you suggesting you just wacked it up and hoped for the best?

As said a map on the rollers would be the cheapest and best option for the customer of a very high powered engine, UNLESS of course reliability could be an issue on a brand new untested build at large bhp figures. Be cheaper to fix out of vehicle.

So Mr Rod Tarry this engine in question isnt a new spec build?

AlexF

What are you on about?

It was mapped on the dyno - then the boost was turned up...

As Rod's already said his car is checked everytime it goes for a run...

The best option for ANY engine regardless of spec and usage is to be mapped on a dyno and then check on the road.

ALL manufactures do it this way - dyno, rolling road then live mapping.

Alex

bpspa

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foooking hell what a thread.

Dave, Helen ignore everything its your car and you're entitled to do with it what you see fit and not have to justify it to anyone.

Good luck with the breaking of it and I hope it isn't much hassle for you, if I can help in anyway let me know

Ben

Mike Rainbird

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Not IMO. I would map the engine in the completely controlled environment of the engine dyno and then tweak on an airfield in the car.

Once you have done that, then you can stick it on any rollers without fear of it letting go (providing the cooling is adequate), as running it flat out on the airfield, it doesn't get any more extreme, so a squirt on the rollers in third gear is not going to harm it in any way, shape or form (providing the operator is monitoring everything and doesn't allow the temps to go outside what they would be on the road / track).

I can't understand why you are so worried about it . No-one is going to buy this engine without going into the deal with eyes wide open and Mark will certainly ensure that the new owner gets what they paid for.....

I realise that there is lots of tuner loyalty about (you only have to look at the comments on this thread), but surely you understand that this will be bought by an existing MAD customer who is completely at ease with the way Mark does things? You don't have to like it, just as long as the new owner does .

rog

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Haven't posted on here since yesterday afternoon, your wasting your breath trying to explain yourself, and you shouldn't have to IMO. Was an awesome car and spec, even before it got a new engine, i think if he was scared he never woul've spent 40 odd grand on it, makes sense to me anyway.

timrud

I think the reason most people have posted on here is that almost daily it is rammed down our throats, MAD are the greatest, daves car is sooooooo fast. Yet when it actually comes to actually prooving anything thy are found severly lacking.

No 200mph effort from dave

No rolling road run, even though andy g has offered to underwrite his box, which is he claimed weak point.

Rods car has not seen day of light for years.

SCS engines take hammer time and time again and are prooven to not only produce the goods but also last the distance. NMS also fall into the bracket

As a neutral looking in, personally I feel MAD has a group of followers who can brag the most and live off the glory of rod whose engine they just chucked a load of gas down and it managed to hang together.

dojj

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as i said before, you won't convert them to your way of thinking fella's, so there is no point

anyone in their right mind would do as much as possible on a dyno with the engine hooked up to every single gadget you could hook it up to to provide infinite repeatability in any condition time and again before spending time with it on the road/airfield/testing/spending money/etc

especially when you think of the risks involved in holding any engine at it's peak on the road, you simply run out of road before you get the chance to do much and then you have to turn around and go back again, not to mention the cost of the sirstrip you would need to rent and the hassle of taking all your equipment there and back and transportation if things go wrong

Turner RS

My friend i am not in the least bit worried about the engine as i do not want to buy it. I like to just add input for the shear comedy value of watching grown folk act childish! LOL.

To sum up this thread:

Yum is breaking his car
Chip is bumlicking again
The odd comment slagging MAD from SCS customers
The odd comment slagging SCS from MAD customers

With the exception of Yum breaking his car, same shit different day.

Mike Rainbird

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That is the way it always has been and that is the way it always will be .

Dirty Harry

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right girls enough is enough,the same old shit from the same old people again another post ruined
if you want to argue whos who and whos the best get a room and have a little man love whilst your at it
topic closed.life is too short