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Old Feb 6, 2009 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mondeo Man
Theres a huge difference between a stripped out car and a fully trimmed one full of kit.

As anybody with a decent trackday toy will tell you
75 BHP is a lot though?
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Old Feb 6, 2009 | 08:59 PM
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I cannot see it being canceled this late into the development?
I do hope that you are right, i really like the car
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Old Feb 6, 2009 | 09:05 PM
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after all the hype they would look like monkeys but money talks
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Old Feb 6, 2009 | 10:18 PM
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Ah the old mate of a mate uncles, grannys, dogs mate from kennel 31 says that he heard his owner who builds these cars say that its got a faulty joint etc.. Its more likely a supply issue with parts causing a delay or as said Production may be halted for a week or so due to the credit crunch.
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Old Feb 6, 2009 | 10:20 PM
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I did hear it was down to block failure on the engines, don't know how true it is though.
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Old Feb 6, 2009 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by steve7786
I did hear it was down to block failure on the engines, don't know how true it is though.
Think about it though. On this thread it has been delayed due to:

1. Joint Failure
2. Revoknuckle failure
3. Engine Block
4. credit crunch issues

Lots of chinese whispers.
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Old Feb 6, 2009 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Kev.H
it hadnt done its final time last I heard...

its more likely delayed cos of the credit crunch and the fact ford arent building cars for abit same as most manufacturers..

thats my point it had already done what i consider a good time with only 260bhp, they haven't set there final time yet no but imo 260bhp and FWD and 8mins 25secs is still pretty decent,
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Old Feb 6, 2009 | 10:28 PM
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Ford will have delivered the biggest disappointment in recent motoring history if they actually cancel it now LOL
not to mention have to refund a few thousand deposits!!

im sure its something they will sort out and release the car asap.
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Old Feb 6, 2009 | 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by danneth
thats my point it had already done what i consider a good time with only 260bhp, they haven't set there final time yet no but imo 260bhp and FWD and 8mins 25secs is still pretty decent,
No 230bhp R26R, but still.
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Old Feb 6, 2009 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Drunken Master
No 230bhp R26R, but still.
would you expect it to be at mid development?
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Old Feb 6, 2009 | 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by danneth
would you expect it to be at mid development?
No but then again, I don't expect it to be at completion!
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Old Feb 6, 2009 | 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Drunken Master
No but then again, I don't expect it to be at completion!

have to wait a see wont we, anything close to the stripped out megane would be good, ford reckon 2 seconds quicker then it, either way should be fun
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Old Feb 6, 2009 | 11:29 PM
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It'll be that volvo engine....

There could be a problem this late, they might be behind schedule already and only just ran a test recently that is causing a problem. A mate at work was telling me they were all ready for the new suzuki vitara to be rolled out but it turns out the turbo is overheating when going uphills all day long, so they wont supply a warrenty with the engine, other than that its mostly ready. Ford might have a similar problem situation, where it all seemed ok, until someone looked back over the data for a final QA.

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Old Feb 6, 2009 | 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by danneth
have to wait a see wont we, anything close to the stripped out megane would be good, ford reckon 2 seconds quicker then it, either way should be fun
Indeed the megane to me is the more complete package. But the RS does have the outright power.
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Old Feb 7, 2009 | 10:36 AM
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last focus rs was delyaed cos of the manifold....
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Old Feb 7, 2009 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Drunken Master
Indeed the megane to me is the more complete package. But the RS does have the outright power.
The complete package to one is not to someone else. No seats missing, air conditioning, and all the toys is the complete package for me.

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Old Feb 7, 2009 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Drunken Master
Indeed the megane to me is the more complete package. But the RS does have the outright power.

Awesome review of a car you've never driven or have any times for.

What do you think of the Zonda as well?
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Old Feb 7, 2009 | 03:12 PM
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Is it not better to have it coming out late than have a workshop full of warrenty issues and a forum full of moaning
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Old Feb 7, 2009 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by steve7786
I did hear it was down to block failure on the engines, don't know how true it is though.
The block is uprated from the ST engine, and they all run 300+ without it.

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Old Feb 7, 2009 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by cosworth46
today i was at jp cars roermond ( biggest european cosworth seller )
he knows 1 of the guys who are working from day 1 on the new focus rs project.

at this moment 26 cars where made, already 4 of that 26 cars has serious engine problems after a few miles.

so ford has stop the production and for this moment it is not sure wat the are going to do
Cheers for the info.
My friend's 1 st March order ( which at present is delayed to "sometime" in April ...but nothing definite ) was supposed to go to build on Feb 8th.
He has been told officially
1. Due to short time at factory

Unofficially
2. Problems with "an engine component"
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Old Feb 7, 2009 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by steve7786
I did hear it was down to block failure on the engines, don't know how true it is though.
The parts they have used are normal Volvo parts that Volvo already use so I would not expect that to be the fault,
The Odd Volvo will crack its liners this is not a common fault but its not that rare either.

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Old Feb 7, 2009 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tonyk
Ah the old mate of a mate uncles, grannys, dogs mate from kennel 31 says that he heard his owner who builds these cars say that its got a faulty joint etc.. Its more likely a supply issue with parts causing a delay or as said Production may be halted for a week or so due to the credit crunch.

Similar was said on RSOC I think but so true. I'd rather hear the gossip fest than those who can't get over it not being 4wd.
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Old Feb 7, 2009 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
The parts they have used are normal Volvo parts that Volvo already use so I would not expect that to be the fault,
The Odd Volvo will crack its liners this is not a common fault but its not that rare either.

Mark
I've replaced an engine on a Focus ST that had a cracked block at the top of a bore. As you say, not common but not unheard of.
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Originally Posted by Mondeo Man
Awesome review of a car you've never driven or have any times for.

What do you think of the Zonda as well?
The lap time for round the nurburgring is 8.17. And it's called observation:

"Observation is either an activity of a living being (such as a human), consisting of receiving knowledge of the outside world through the senses, or the recording of data using scientific instruments. The term may also refer to any datum collected during this activity."

Not a review, but thanks for your pointless thoughts.
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Old Feb 7, 2009 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Drunken Master
The lap time for round the nurburgring is 8.17. And it's called observation:

"Observation is either an activity of a living being (such as a human), consisting of receiving knowledge of the outside world through the senses, or the recording of data using scientific instruments. The term may also refer to any datum collected during this activity."

Not a review, but thanks for your pointless thoughts.

Please explain why the renault R26R is a more complete package than the new FRS then. At least quantify it if you're going to make such an outrageous claim
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Old Feb 7, 2009 | 06:33 PM
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Apparently Ford have decided that front wheel drive is indeed wrong and are conveting all Focus RS`s to four wheel drive, hence the slight delay.























We can still hope!
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Those who need to know, know.. and those who don't, don't
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Originally Posted by Mondeo Man
Please explain why the renault R26R is a more complete package than the new FRS then. At least quantify it if you're going to make such an outrageous claim
It's stripped out and weighs 1230kg NOT 1500kg's like the focus RS. And comes with these extras that the RS doesn't:

Bucket Seats - Harnesses
Track spec tyres
Brembo 4 piston Calipers
Plastic rear Windows
Carbon Bonnet
Roll Cage
Titanium Exhaust

So I'd say it's a more complete package than the RS. It's ready to be tracked.
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Originally Posted by Drunken Master
It's stripped out and weighs 1230kg NOT 1500kg's like the focus RS. And comes with these extras that the RS doesn't:

Bucket Seats - Harnesses
Track spec tyres
Brembo 4 piston Calipers
Plastic rear Windows
Carbon Bonnet
Roll Cage
Titanium Exhaust

So I'd say it's a more complete package than the RS. It's ready to be tracked.
In my eyes thats not a 'complete' package, its a very specialist one with a limited market, but if thats what you're after in a road car then yes I can see why you'd see it that way.

IMO if the FRS is just as quick with all the toys and being a full weight car with a top spec of options then i'd say for me thats a more complete package.
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Hi all, just to cofirm I've heard from my local garage today ref these cars. I've got one on order and they are expecting it mid April. Its been given a chassis number and its part built apparently so it looks like they're on there way at last. I'm a bit concerned about having one of the first ones off the line. Hopefully it'll be ok.
I didn't know that the ultimate green can't be matched if paintwork is needed, been told they have to repaint the whole car! No car parks for this one then!
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 01:15 PM
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Thats interesting
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I've heard (and this may or may not be true) that the reason for a few engine failures on the few off the production line have been related to a bearing in the engine and this is whats caused the engine to fail. From what i've heard the bearing supplier had changed from the ones that were fitted to the test/prototype (no problem with them) and the production ones and this could be the explanation to the delay of the new FRS from production lines.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by chris1049
I didn't know that the ultimate green can't be matched if paintwork is needed, been told they have to repaint the whole car! No car parks for this one then!

Surely that's not the case?!
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 01:39 PM
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People said the orange couldn't be matched, and that was bollocks. By the way, the engine can now be purchased from Ford, as can everything else. Go and buy all you need, and build one.

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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 01:45 PM
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I read on another site it was down to conrod's the delay

Sure it was pitstonheads
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 01:55 PM
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I hear its a bearing for the conrod or a bearing in that area.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 02:27 PM
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they can't match the paint on the bumpers of the ST anyway
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 02:40 PM
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Is it not out yet.What are they playing at.
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The reason for the delay is metal filing's have been found in some sump pans .

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Originally Posted by FasterFords
they can't match the paint on the bumpers of the ST anyway
ever noticed audi's etc bumpers are never the same colour as the rest of the car from the factory?

what makes you say the ST bumpers can not be matched?
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