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Old 04-02-2009, 08:25 PM
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So what's the component failure on the engine that's caused all the imminent delivery dates to be delayed?
Old 04-02-2009, 08:29 PM
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when they due out now?

where did you read that?
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Revoknuckle
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Originally Posted by TIFF
Revoknuckle
Is that an uneducated guess?
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Was it it's faliure to 'get the power down through the front wheels' ?

Sorry, someone had to say it
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Yes.....but ti wouldnt suprise me as it is the one thing that they have rushed to get the car out this year.......
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Originally Posted by jameswrx
Was it it's faliure to 'get the power down through the front wheels' ?

Sorry, someone had to say it

Thats what the revoknuckle is for
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http://auto-future.blogspot.com/2008...voknuckle.html


The problems are with this bit as Tiff says
Old 04-02-2009, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike1
So what's the component failure on the engine that's caused all the imminent delivery dates to be delayed?
the giggle pin lol
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Originally Posted by The Diva
http://auto-future.blogspot.com/2008...voknuckle.html


The problems are with this bit as Tiff says
Gotta love the rumour mill
Old 04-02-2009, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by pa_sjo
Gotta love the rumour mill

Apparently there has been an upper joint failure in extended testing and they are rechecking everything now as they are paranoid
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As I said, gotta love the rumour mill.
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Why is it a rumour mill???
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1st March delivery dates which were supposed to go into build next Monday have gone from the Ford system and are now supposed to be early April according to dealer. Delays at factory are blamed....but the rumour is supposed to be an engine component failure
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So how is the revoknuckle an engine component?
Old 04-02-2009, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TIFF
Why is it a rumour mill???
Because it's neither an engine component nor the 'failure'
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1 comments:

said... This is system is exactly the same architecture Renault Sport introduced with the first RS Megane, and has been using in the Clio RS latest model. Not really new nor revolutionary
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Originally Posted by Karting
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said... This is system is exactly the same architecture Renault Sport introduced with the first RS Megane, and has been using in the Clio RS latest model. Not really new nor revolutionary
Press heresay or have you seen it yourself?

I have a paper copy of the Revoknuckle patent application ( which is pat pend I believe ) so I very much doubt its the same on the Renault...it may work on the same principles but it isnt the same
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Ford have patented the design of the lower bush. The 'RevoKnuckle' principle is not new at all, in fact British Leyland came up with the idea in the 60's!

As said Renault have been using the deisgn for years, and it's standard on some Peugeot Coupes too.

All marketing and a clever move to Patent a cerain part, thus making everyone beleive the complete deisng is new and revolutionary. RevoKnuckle will reduce torque steer, but it won't help out with grip in most situations.
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SWARF!!!!
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Originally Posted by Mondeo Man
Press heresay or have you seen it yourself?

I have a paper copy of the Revoknuckle patent application ( which is pat pend I believe ) so I very much doubt its the same on the Renault...it may work on the same principles but it isnt the same
NO.. but you got answer below ..P.M.S.L.
Ford have patented the design of the lower bush. The 'RevoKnuckle' principle is not new at all, in fact British Leyland came up with the idea in the 60's!

As said Renault have been using the deisgn for years, and it's standard on some Peugeot Coupes too.

All marketing and a clever move to Patent a cerain part, thus making everyone beleive the complete deisng is new and revolutionary. RevoKnuckle will reduce torque steer, but it won't help out with grip in most situations.
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Ah ok, just thought someone might have a contact on the inside that knew what the component failure was that was causing the last minute delay
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Originally Posted by Karting
NO.. but you got answer below ..P.M.S.L.
Ford have patented the design of the lower bush. The 'RevoKnuckle' principle is not new at all, in fact British Leyland came up with the idea in the 60's!

As said Renault have been using the deisgn for years, and it's standard on some Peugeot Coupes too.

All marketing and a clever move to Patent a cerain part, thus making everyone beleive the complete deisng is new and revolutionary. RevoKnuckle will reduce torque steer, but it won't help out with grip in most situations.
I already knew that and said it. The Renault may well work on the same principle but isnt the same hence the friking patent!

Either way, its not an engine component and its not causing failures
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For proper handling the steeringwheel is pointing backwards?
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Ford is increasing prices on average at 5.2% "FORD said" we can't afford not to put our prices up ".
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Flux capacitor probably isn't operating at full efficiency and overheating.
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cos it still hasnt set a good time at the ring.....
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Originally Posted by jameswrx
Was it it's faliure to 'get the power down through the front wheels' ?

Sorry, someone had to say it
Pmsl.
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Someone on the EVO mag forum saw one recently...

http://www2.evo.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40538

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:34 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
I mentioned on the Spots thread that I saw an RS with some panels still covered in disguise, heading for Wales down the M50 on Saturday. Seemed a bit late to be doing final sign off, so maybe there's more to it than just the factory?
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I can see one from where I'm sitting...

... gotta love all the speculation and rumours...
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Originally Posted by IFD
I can see one from where I'm sitting...

... gotta love all the speculation and rumours...
Well yes, we know there are built examples in existence - we've seen them in Cardiff and in the car mags. Just wondered what had caused the 1st March delivery dates to be delayed? No real firm info ( short time at factory, engine component failures etc )

Do you know why the first batch are delayed then IFD?
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Originally Posted by Kev.H
cos it still hasnt set a good time at the ring.....

but it already did and at mid development to
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Originally Posted by danneth
but it already did and at mid development to
It set the same time as the 225bhp Renault Megane. Yes, it's stripped out so unfair but still...

Benni.
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Originally Posted by Paul Eggleton
SWARF!!!!
PMSL is phil working on it? LOL
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Originally Posted by Benni
It set the same time as the 225bhp Renault Megane. Yes, it's stripped out so unfair but still...

Benni.
no it didn't was slower then the megane
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Theres a huge difference between a stripped out car and a fully trimmed one full of kit.

As anybody with a decent trackday toy will tell you
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Originally Posted by danneth
but it already did and at mid development to
it hadnt done its final time last I heard...

its more likely delayed cos of the credit crunch and the fact ford arent building cars for abit same as most manufacturers..
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Ford are probably on Stop at one of their suppliers and can't get a few critical parts made for the R.S.

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today i was at jp cars roermond ( biggest european cosworth seller )
he knows 1 of the guys who are working from day 1 on the new focus rs project.

at this moment 26 cars where made, already 4 of that 26 cars has serious engine problems after a few miles.

so ford has stop the production and for this moment it is not sure wat the are going to do with the rs 2009 project it is even possible that the whole project will be canceled.

this is what i have heared today

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I cannot see it being canceled this late into the development?


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