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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 11:07 AM
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Default Tranlining - causes and rectification?

Well the MR2 tramlines really badly.

by that i mean it pulls you into the dips and bumps in the road. it steers for you, not you steering it (this is a good definition isnt it?)

anyway, it has aftermarket 17" wheels and i beleive this is the cause?

So, i want to remove the tramlining and need to work out the best way to go about that. do i need to replace the wheels and go back to stock alloys (15") could it be that the tyres are the cause? is it the offset? the geomety?

basically if i can avoid swapping the wheels then great as that'll save me a lot of money
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 11:15 AM
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get the tracking checked first, if its ok,then it is probably the wrong offset wheels.
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 11:41 AM
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What size tyres are on the front?

I went from 245/45 R17 properly tramlined to 225/45 R17 perfect no tramlining at all. Just changed the tyres and that was it, no tracking / geometery / offset change.
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 11:51 AM
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Jim - post your geometry setup over here.
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 11:55 AM
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i havent had a 4WA done so dont have the geo set up. i'm reluctant to spend money on a full geo if what its got fitted isnt suitable.

might go get the tracking done now tho..
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim Galbally
i havent had a 4WA done so dont have the geo set up. i'm reluctant to spend money on a full geo if what its got fitted isnt suitable.

might go get the tracking done now tho..
There is no point in thinking about the rason if we don't know if the geometry is anyhow sensible. On MR2 you have some adjustability and it can properly ruin handling if it's wrong. Doesn't have to be far off to handle like shite too.
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 11:59 AM
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think i need to find out what offset the wheels are don't I. as if theyre the correct offset then i'm probably ok to keep em. yeah?
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 12:03 PM
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Tends to be combination of the following:

- Too much toe out
- Tyres too wide
- Too much scrub angle - offset too low or crap suspension design
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Galbally
think i need to find out what offset the wheels are don't I. as if theyre the correct offset then i'm probably ok to keep em. yeah?
If they are correct offset and overall wheel radius is more or less the same you should be fine. I mean with lower tyre on bigger wheels the car will be more prone to follow road cambers etc. But it's shouldn't be bad. Especially that you guys have great roads in the UK compared to what I have (I know, I just came back from UK)
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 02:07 PM
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great roads? where do you live, BOSNIA?
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 02:56 PM
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ive been the poland, the motorway was like driving over speed bumps @ 60 mph
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 04:37 PM
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just had the tracking checked, it's spot on.

so yep, its the shit wheels

needs new rear tyres anyway so guess i need to buy some std wheels...

...ebayyyyyy!
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Galbally
just had the tracking checked, it's spot on.

so yep, its the shit wheels

needs new rear tyres anyway so guess i need to buy some std wheels...

...ebayyyyyy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYokLWfqbaU

cos......................... I BOUGHT IT ON EEEEEBAYYYYYYYYYYY..................TELL ME WHY.....
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 05:06 PM
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im guessing you dont need these 2 toyo's then jim?
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 05:24 PM
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JB will ave em
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 05:27 PM
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damn lol
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 05:30 PM
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I had an s2000 once that was awfull tramlining and moving around (especially when letting off after accelerating) I had the geo checked etc and in the end it was just the tyres being worn on the insides. It was really bad and I was convinced it was tracking or geometry but tyres sorted it.
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 05:42 PM
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Could knackered bushes / track rod ends be a cause?
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 05:48 PM
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rich, thats a possibility, as i suspect there's something amiss in the front suspension department, sounds a bit loud/knocky over bumps etc. and i'm guessing MR2s arent supposed to be THAT shonky... lol

not had a chance to take a look yet
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 05:53 PM
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Sounds like it then, big wheels will add more stress to bushes so will wear quicker. Get it up in the air and give the wheels a good shake to see where the play is!
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 06:00 PM
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looking for tyres in std MR2 sizes now

195/55/15 and 225/50/15 and i cant find any decent performance brands that do em in 195/55/15! i can put a set of WANLI's on it?
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 06:02 PM
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jim give me a bell 2mo and il get my mate in elite to have a hunt whats available
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 06:06 PM
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just looked on their website. toyo do some in that size, so proxes it is found a set of wheels on ebay for 135 delivered
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Galbally
just looked on their website. toyo do some in that size, so proxes it is found a set of wheels on ebay for 135 delivered
wot you doing 2mo? il pop up there with you so you and see him if you want?
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 06:15 PM
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dunno, probably end up at the usual place... lol

can you get a mop?
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Galbally
dunno, probably end up at the usual place... lol

can you get a mop?
tom said he can get hold of a mop
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 06:22 PM
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yeah but hes gotta nick it from work. i'm txting Benn see if he can do it (or if i can borrow it)
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 06:36 PM
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whos ben?
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 06:51 PM
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BENN304R

hes out on the piss tonight so no way he'll be away and at home tomorrow
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Galbally
great roads? where do you live, BOSNIA?
Bosnia actually has better roads the Poland. At least those that weren't bombed. Belive me you have NO bumps or pot holes in the UK


Anyway Jim my mate had an MR2, same shape as you and there were great many things that used to become loose on this one, the rear suspension actually is a Celica front suspension and it's not that great as rear suspension. I remember he had it on 17'' and it was fine according to him. I only drove it once and in the snow so I can't say as in the snow MR2 is as hardcore as it gets.
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 08:59 PM
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The bottom arms on my Fiesta were fucked, and it always tramlined. Wheel offset and tracking was correct though.
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 09:24 PM
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i'm not supposed to take her to a garage (long story)

ill try n look tomorrow
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Galbally
i'm not supposed to take her to a garage (long story)

ill try n look tomorrow
pop round 2mo if you want mate and we'll have a look and if they're fucked we'll order somw and sort it next weekend?
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Old Oct 4, 2008 | 02:12 PM
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i just ordered some std 15" wheels.

paul can you see what elite can dome on some toyo proxes? 2x 195/55/15 and 2x 225/50/15
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Old Oct 4, 2008 | 02:48 PM
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Old Oct 4, 2008 | 03:33 PM
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rab, easier to sort out with elites...
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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 06:11 PM
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just put the std wheels on.

problem solved

so much nicer to drive now!

tyres are nangkangs tho so need some tyres... lol been told 205/50/15 is a good replacement frot the fronts
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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 06:13 PM
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Glad its sorted it.

Nangkangs are positively posh compared to the Wanli's that JB runs
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