Turkish block strikes again on YUM this time
13-06-2008, 06:35 AM
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Me and Alex was talking about this earlier - when Yum was 460bhp you used it, abused it and enjoyed it you took it all over the country had fun and it was still bloody quick you launched it hard all the time and it never went wrong it was a car you enjoyed and had lots of fun time in...... What enjoyment do you get out of it now it just causes you stress heartache and big bucks you don't get to enjoy it. At the pod you was scared when helen was taking it down the strip saturday that it would break and if it did it would cost ŁŁŁŁŁ's again. They way Yum is now your just not enjoying it being close to you both i can see you don't being a onlooker.
If your gonna get Yum back on the road maybe its time to be sensible you have had your feature made good power, why not enjoy it again without the constant worry? Use abuse it and have lots of fun again. A car should be a fun toy imo not a worry that takes all your money and over your life
If your gonna get Yum back on the road maybe its time to be sensible you have had your feature made good power, why not enjoy it again without the constant worry? Use abuse it and have lots of fun again. A car should be a fun toy imo not a worry that takes all your money and over your life
A few years back i wanted to go big power in my escort so glad i didnt as it looks like once you do its not long befor you want to break it or sell it, i bet dave you wish it was still on the t38 and you had never started this now
13-06-2008, 06:57 AM
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Yes the Engine cost me 3.5k and came with SM4 and a GT40 also MIS inlet and Turbo manifold
All l had to do was give back my old engine which was a standard bottom end modified head, T38 AND SM2
Ok there was addition cost on transmission but would of need that at 470bhp anyway and addition costs was Exhaust Ł1700 and Suspension 2k and uprating my front brakes to 368mm 6pots from 4 pot 330mm so really no cost there
Martin clutch conversion, Pro Alloy intercooler and fuel tank.
AND LOTS OF MY TIME
Ok there is alot of bits like Dash and Aeroquip that l could of skipped but didnt.
So really there really has not been alot of layout because of what l paid for the engine in the 1st place
As chip said the other night l am still in pocket as the engine was a 20k+ build.
So getting set for another go
Also when l started this l had set my self a goal and really not far of it and really not giving in on this set back.
Will get chance to do a few more mods to try and get to my goal
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13-06-2008, 07:17 AM
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Didnt know that the engine was so cheap, if thats the case dave then rebuild it go for your 200 mph then once thats done change the turbo and go have fun on the track / road.
Well thats what i would do
Well thats what i would do
13-06-2008, 07:47 AM
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was to to cheap , but after a bit of buying and selling and p\x i broke even, so dave got a bargain out of it. rebuild it and this time let me have a go in it first 
13-06-2008, 09:49 AM
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Just looking back at the problems that Rod had with his engine using this liner arrangement, and it "sounds" like an identical issue, rather than something to do with the fact that it is a Turkish block? As in the way Perfect Bore did the liners compared to the Mountune way?
If this is the case, then changing the block is going to have zero difference unless you revert to a different method of liner install?
If this is the case, then changing the block is going to have zero difference unless you revert to a different method of liner install?
13-06-2008, 10:18 AM
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Just looking back at the problems that Rod had with his engine using this liner arrangement, and it "sounds" like an identical issue, rather than something to do with the fact that it is a Turkish block? As in the way Perfect Bore did the liners compared to the Mountune way?
If this is the case, then changing the block is going to have zero difference unless you revert to a different method of liner install?
If this is the case, then changing the block is going to have zero difference unless you revert to a different method of liner install?
Wrong
My has Mountune liners and rods blow up on the dyno was Turkish block and Perfect Bore liners
Sorry Mike
13-06-2008, 10:48 AM
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. Obviously you would want to know exactly why it failed, rather than have a recurring problem? I was just sure I saw in a thread somewhere the mention of waiting to speak to the guys at PB, so I assumed that they had done the liners the same as Rods 
. In fact, I think I would have preferred this to be the case if I was you, as it least you would then know how to move forward to resolve it... The not knowing EXACTLY why it failed (and only offering best guesses) would really worry me.
13-06-2008, 10:51 AM
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I was only trying to offer suggestions . Obviously you would want to know exactly why it failed, rather than have a recurring problem? I was just sure I saw in a thread somewhere the mention of waiting to speak to the guys at PB, so I assumed that they had done the liners the same as Rods . In fact, I think I would have preferred this to be the case if I was you, as it least you would then know how to move forward to resolve it... The not knowing EXACTLY why it failed (and only offering best guesses) would really worry me.
. Obviously you would want to know exactly why it failed, rather than have a recurring problem? I was just sure I saw in a thread somewhere the mention of waiting to speak to the guys at PB, so I assumed that they had done the liners the same as Rods . In fact, I think I would have preferred this to be the case if I was you, as it least you would then know how to move forward to resolve it... The not knowing EXACTLY why it failed (and only offering best guesses) would really worry me.My guess is thats its the bad casting on the Turkish blocks that move and twist with heat maybe
Im sure there is a couple more recorded issues with the blocks
Also when mine was built so was rods and both had the same liners and then Rod went on to doing lots of High speed runs with no problems.
Then his block cracked and he went to a Turkish Block
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13-06-2008, 11:09 AM
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If you want to use it on track, 500bhp+ with a good gearbox is an unbelievable piece of kit!
Will obviously be more reliable, maybe a little easier to control re: noise levels, and seriously quick.
It's the way I would go.
Will obviously be more reliable, maybe a little easier to control re: noise levels, and seriously quick.
It's the way I would go.
13-06-2008, 11:39 AM
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13-06-2008, 12:00 PM
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13-06-2008, 12:04 PM
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13-06-2008, 12:10 PM
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Mind you I know about a much about engine building as Darth Vader knows about flower arranging
13-06-2008, 12:18 PM
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Obviously only Mark / Rod will have full access to this information, having no doubt researched fully the reasons for the failure of his own engine on the dyno.
13-06-2008, 12:21 PM
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Yes, but now it "sounds" like they used the Perfect Bore "designed" liners, rather than the Mountune "designed" liners? So I was just hypothercising that it may be possible that it could be two altogether seperate contributory issues (although saying that, Martin's engine has been 100% reliable)?
Obviously only Mark / Rod will have full access to this information, having no doubt researched fully the reasons for the failure of his own engine on the dyno.
Obviously only Mark / Rod will have full access to this information, having no doubt researched fully the reasons for the failure of his own engine on the dyno.
As you say though Mark can confirm, but thats my understanding, Dave's has nothing in common with the one that failed on the dyno other than the 99 block.
13-06-2008, 12:26 PM
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Mike, Ranj's engine (now daves) was built as the twin of Rod's engine, but NOT the one that died on the dyno, the one that did the 206mph runs, both of which were on mountune style liners I believe.
As you say though Mark can confirm, but thats my understanding, Dave's has nothing in common with the one that failed on the dyno other than the 99 block.
As you say though Mark can confirm, but thats my understanding, Dave's has nothing in common with the one that failed on the dyno other than the 99 block.
.I'm so glad I don't have a 99 block, otherwise that would be something else for me to worry about
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13-06-2008, 07:45 PM
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Mike, Ranj's engine (now daves) was built as the twin of Rod's engine, but NOT the one that died on the dyno, the one that did the 206mph runs, both of which were on mountune style liners I believe.
As you say though Mark can confirm, but thats my understanding, Dave's has nothing in common with the one that failed on the dyno other than the 99 block.
As you say though Mark can confirm, but thats my understanding, Dave's has nothing in common with the one that failed on the dyno other than the 99 block.
Correct
13-06-2008, 08:26 PM
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sorry to hear you are having issues - cars, bloody PITA they are.
If you buy the Evo expect to start modifying again. A 320 or even 400hp one just wont compare with a 600bhp Cossie for straight line laughs and you wont get far with an Evo for Ł5k.
If you can rebuild for Ł5k Id give it some thought.
see you guys soon hopefully
Ian
If you buy the Evo expect to start modifying again. A 320 or even 400hp one just wont compare with a 600bhp Cossie for straight line laughs and you wont get far with an Evo for Ł5k.
If you can rebuild for Ł5k Id give it some thought.
see you guys soon hopefully
Ian
13-06-2008, 10:45 PM
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hi dave
sorry to hear the news mate ,
this what really pisses me off with ford /cosworth/and other 3rd parties that make re-production parts , they never make them as good as the originals they allways looking for ways to cut costs so they can make a few quid
i can see why most people move away from the cosworth as most of the re production parts are made shite
and yes cosworth are to blame, look at their last batch of oil pumps , trully wank
no wounder people want to pull out from building these engines or cars when theres infiorior parts going about
personally blame ford for sub-letting to much work to 3rd party companys to make stuff for them
shocking to say the least
marco
sorry to hear the news mate ,
this what really pisses me off with ford /cosworth/and other 3rd parties that make re-production parts , they never make them as good as the originals they allways looking for ways to cut costs so they can make a few quid
i can see why most people move away from the cosworth as most of the re production parts are made shite
and yes cosworth are to blame, look at their last batch of oil pumps , trully wank
no wounder people want to pull out from building these engines or cars when theres infiorior parts going about
personally blame ford for sub-letting to much work to 3rd party companys to make stuff for them
shocking to say the least
marco
14-06-2008, 07:01 AM
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hi dave
sorry to hear the news mate ,
this what really pisses me off with ford /cosworth/and other 3rd parties that make re-production parts , they never make them as good as the originals they allways looking for ways to cut costs so they can make a few quid
i can see why most people move away from the cosworth as most of the re production parts are made shite
and yes cosworth are to blame, look at their last batch of oil pumps , trully wank
no wounder people want to pull out from building these engines or cars when theres infiorior parts going about
personally blame ford for sub-letting to much work to 3rd party companys to make stuff for them
shocking to say the least
marco
sorry to hear the news mate ,
this what really pisses me off with ford /cosworth/and other 3rd parties that make re-production parts , they never make them as good as the originals they allways looking for ways to cut costs so they can make a few quid
i can see why most people move away from the cosworth as most of the re production parts are made shite
and yes cosworth are to blame, look at their last batch of oil pumps , trully wank
no wounder people want to pull out from building these engines or cars when theres infiorior parts going about
personally blame ford for sub-letting to much work to 3rd party companys to make stuff for them
shocking to say the least
marco
14-06-2008, 08:56 AM
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The fact it holds on to 500bhp is a miracle in itself....you can hardly blame ford for cutting back on costs if the block is still more than capable of coping with a paltry 220bhp which is what it was intended for.
14-06-2008, 09:16 AM
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sorry to hear about this Dave/Helen,but imo don't break it as i have done this and regretted it after,and if you decide to do it again it will cost you even more.
How do Jens do his big figures?? or is it just Marks big torque that kills em??
Would those alloy blocks be no good??
Gutted for you
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How do Jens do his big figures?? or is it just Marks big torque that kills em??
Would those alloy blocks be no good??
Gutted for you
Regards
Paul
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14-06-2008, 09:19 AM
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How would the car perform with say a 600bhp engine spec like porkie has and that proper 7spd gearbox that Kev Sharp used to run? Surely the ability to give it a full bore launch and full power in every gear is better than 700bhp that will most likely blow the gearbox apart? If I remember correctly Kevs car ran a 10 sec quarter with 500+bhp and this was largely down to the 7 speed box he ran.
14-06-2008, 09:38 AM
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How would the car perform with say a 600bhp engine spec like porkie has and that proper 7spd gearbox that Kev Sharp used to run? Surely the ability to give it a full bore launch and full power in every gear is better than 700bhp that will most likely blow the gearbox apart? If I remember correctly Kevs car ran a 10 sec quarter with 500+bhp and this was largely down to the 7 speed box he ran.