Turkish block strikes again on YUM this time
12-06-2008, 10:25 AM
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Bummer 
However I'd break it now as that car is a timebomb in terms of things likely to go wrong.
Diff's and gearbox are not really upto taking that power, its only a matter of time till they break.
I would love to think that you will rebuild the engine and everything will be ok but with your run of bad luck and the normal issues with running that sort of power I can see this ending in tears again.
If you do keep it I think Porkie's got the right idea about the inlet.
However I'd break it now as that car is a timebomb in terms of things likely to go wrong.
Diff's and gearbox are not really upto taking that power, its only a matter of time till they break.
I would love to think that you will rebuild the engine and everything will be ok but with your run of bad luck and the normal issues with running that sort of power I can see this ending in tears again.
If you do keep it I think Porkie's got the right idea about the inlet.
12-06-2008, 10:30 AM
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I couldnt disagree more about the inlet, its a part of the character of the car, it looks great, and its not depreciating in value sat on there so why bother to remove it?
If Dave and Helen didnt have any other way of coming up with the funds and didnt have two pennies to rub together and it was the only way back on the road, but im pretty sure they arent in that situation thankfully so I dont think they *need* to sell it so Id leave it where it is personally.
If Dave and Helen didnt have any other way of coming up with the funds and didnt have two pennies to rub together and it was the only way back on the road, but im pretty sure they arent in that situation thankfully so I dont think they *need* to sell it so Id leave it where it is personally.
12-06-2008, 10:42 AM
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gutting all part of trial and error with big bhp I guess, or more unforunately luck of the draw with the Turkish block
What are Helens feelings on it? IMO it would seem like a waste of all that effort time and money to go this far and simply put it back to standard and sell. Go for a rebuild as above and longevity and leave futher modifiying for a year or so?
Z
all part of trial and error with big bhp I guess, or more unforunately luck of the draw with the Turkish block What are Helens feelings on it? IMO it would seem like a waste of all that effort time and money to go this far and simply put it back to standard and sell. Go for a rebuild as above and longevity and leave futher modifiying for a year or so?
Z
12-06-2008, 10:47 AM
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A customer of mine with possibly similar money in a Cosworth we did years ago sat in reception with me somewhat pissed off at doing another R&D box at £6K and i advised him that IMO, he should sit down with a Pen and paper and work out how many really meaningfull drives he had gotten out of his big power, and i mean drives that were memorable for the power alone and little else, as thats where his costs had gone, making it reliable with 500+bhp. Runs such as his 185+mph runs at Brunters etc etc.
He counted 7 memorable days. The rest it was largely off the road broken.
His car stood him at £30K.
I asked him if i was to offer him a drive of my car that would do 185mph today, would he accept that drive and be willing to pay £4285inc vat for it as thats what every momorable run had cost him in his?
Sadly, thats the reality of these cars and its a rich man who can just keep on going. He sold the car that weekend and bought a 911.
I havent seen him since. More fool me.
He counted 7 memorable days. The rest it was largely off the road broken.
His car stood him at £30K.
I asked him if i was to offer him a drive of my car that would do 185mph today, would he accept that drive and be willing to pay £4285inc vat for it as thats what every momorable run had cost him in his?
Sadly, thats the reality of these cars and its a rich man who can just keep on going. He sold the car that weekend and bought a 911.
I havent seen him since. More fool me.
12-06-2008, 10:51 AM
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A customer of mine with possibly similar money in a Cosworth we did years ago sat in reception with me somewhat pissed off at doing another R&D box at £6K and i advised him that IMO, he should sit down with a Pen and paper and work out how many really meaningfull drives he had gotten out of his big power, and i mean drives that were memorable for the power alone and little else, as thats where his costs had gone, making it reliable with 500+bhp. Runs such as his 185+mph runs at Brunters etc etc.
He counted 7 memorable days. The rest it was largely off the road broken.
His car stood him at £30K.
I asked him if i was to offer him a drive of my car that would do 185mph today, would he accept that drive and be willing to pay £4285inc vat for it as thats what every momorable run had cost him in his?
Sadly, thats the reality of these cars and its a rich man who can just keep on going. He sold the car that weekend and bought a 911.
I havent seen him since. More fool me.
He counted 7 memorable days. The rest it was largely off the road broken.
His car stood him at £30K.
I asked him if i was to offer him a drive of my car that would do 185mph today, would he accept that drive and be willing to pay £4285inc vat for it as thats what every momorable run had cost him in his?
Sadly, thats the reality of these cars and its a rich man who can just keep on going. He sold the car that weekend and bought a 911.
I havent seen him since. More fool me.
Know what your saying though Stu, very logical!
12-06-2008, 10:55 AM
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gutting all part of trial and error with big bhp I guess, or more unforunately luck of the draw with the Turkish block
What are Helens feelings on it? IMO it would seem like a waste of all that effort time and money to go this far and simply put it back to standard and sell. Go for a rebuild as above and longevity and leave futher modifiying for a year or so?
Z
all part of trial and error with big bhp I guess, or more unforunately luck of the draw with the Turkish block What are Helens feelings on it? IMO it would seem like a waste of all that effort time and money to go this far and simply put it back to standard and sell. Go for a rebuild as above and longevity and leave futher modifiying for a year or so?
Z
Im sure Helen will post on here later
At the end of the day Helen will have her say in it as l treat yum as ours and not mine even thou its been my cost.
Im sure Helen will want to carry on as she would like a couple of track days in YUM
12-06-2008, 11:17 AM
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A customer of mine with possibly similar money in a Cosworth we did years ago sat in reception with me somewhat pissed off at doing another R&D box at £6K and i advised him that IMO, he should sit down with a Pen and paper and work out how many really meaningfull drives he had gotten out of his big power, and i mean drives that were memorable for the power alone and little else, as thats where his costs had gone, making it reliable with 500+bhp. Runs such as his 185+mph runs at Brunters etc etc.
He counted 7 memorable days. The rest it was largely off the road broken.
His car stood him at £30K.
I asked him if i was to offer him a drive of my car that would do 185mph today, would he accept that drive and be willing to pay £4285inc vat for it as thats what every momorable run had cost him in his?
Sadly, thats the reality of these cars and its a rich man who can just keep on going. He sold the car that weekend and bought a 911.
I havent seen him since. More fool me.
He counted 7 memorable days. The rest it was largely off the road broken.
His car stood him at £30K.
I asked him if i was to offer him a drive of my car that would do 185mph today, would he accept that drive and be willing to pay £4285inc vat for it as thats what every momorable run had cost him in his?
Sadly, thats the reality of these cars and its a rich man who can just keep on going. He sold the car that weekend and bought a 911.
I havent seen him since. More fool me.
Never has a truer word been spoken - but turning business away Stu..
The 911 conversions must be ready
12-06-2008, 11:22 AM
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certainly is a kick in the chuff, but my grandad used to say better to regret trying something than not trying something, in years to come to be able to sit back and say i was one of very few people to crack the double ton in a cossie will be a proud moment for ya. to stick at 194mph might as well be 150, it aint 200. keep it and rebuild it
12-06-2008, 11:22 AM
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Who would that be then ?
If i'm honest i'm dam gutted that the car has gone wrong, but in another sense i'm dam determined to get the car back on the road and her all sorted out, there are things i personally want to do in her that i know i will regret in years to come if i dont do it. The way i see it from a girls point of view is there aint many of us that get the opportunity to be behind the wheel of a 600+ bhp Escort Cossie. So i want to do the things i want to do as i wont get another chance, plus you only live once !
So she gets sorted out, we do what we want to do then it will be game over for me and then sold and a nice Evo or BMW will become H98's new garage pal
If i'm honest i'm dam gutted that the car has gone wrong, but in another sense i'm dam determined to get the car back on the road and her all sorted out, there are things i personally want to do in her that i know i will regret in years to come if i dont do it. The way i see it from a girls point of view is there aint many of us that get the opportunity to be behind the wheel of a 600+ bhp Escort Cossie. So i want to do the things i want to do as i wont get another chance, plus you only live once !
So she gets sorted out, we do what we want to do then it will be game over for me and then sold and a nice Evo or BMW will become H98's new garage pal
12-06-2008, 11:26 AM
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I personally think that once you have it properly sorted, it actually WONT break as often as people are thinking it will, as Im of the opinion that both on the road and on track, it will rarely see full load for any duration at all, in fact I reckon the time periods you spend where you are actaully at more than 500bhp will probably be measured in seconds a month, which hopefully wont break anything, its just these brunters runs that are going to kill it IMHO, and I reckon once dave has seen 200mph, he wont ever feel the need to go back and do it again.
12-06-2008, 11:29 AM
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With the correct block (ie not a 99) I dont think the liners will cause a problem at all, I also think it would probably be ok without them, but other than build cost being slightly lower, I see no advantage to NOT having the liners, but I do see advantages in terms of longevity of the bores if he DOES have them.
If it was me, Id be putting it on the liners again I think and just accepting the couple of grand that costs, its not exactly a penny pinching project anyway, so what it wants it should get IMHO (easy for me to say when its dave's money, lol) ultimately though, I personally feel its probably Mark's opinion that matters on this one more than any of the rest of us.
12-06-2008, 11:29 AM
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Perhaps you are right mate...
but how much is doing the 200mph going to cost him... and potentially risk!?!?
Forget it and enjoy the car I reckon.
but how much is doing the 200mph going to cost him... and potentially risk!?!?
Forget it and enjoy the car I reckon.
12-06-2008, 11:30 AM
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Testing the future
it would still be a monster on track at 600 bhp martin's way, as is porkie's 3 door. no need to push the boundaries so much imo, keep it more reliable and useable and start to get some of your money's worth out of it in terms of enjoyment through time on the road and track
12-06-2008, 11:32 AM
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Testing the future
if you were going to be the first to 200 mph it would be more special, but now i think there's more enjoyment to be had elsewhere
12-06-2008, 11:33 AM
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What its going to risk? Well potentially the same failure, but given how well Rod's coped on the old block, I personally view that as a low risk when its got the proper block on it not a 99 one.
Again though, not my money so easy for me to say I realise!
PS
Having been sat in the car with dave on a top speed run, and having to yell at him to brake because he was SO determined to keep his foot in, I actually think that 200mph means a lot more to him than people think, might not mean anything to most folk but I believe Dave is a man who sets himself goals in life and then achieves them, irrelevant of wether others feel the goal is important or not.
Im a bit like that myself TBH so find it easy to see how he could end up so focussed on it.
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12-06-2008, 11:35 AM
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The liners werent the fault Lee, the block was, if there were no liners in that turkish block I honestly believe it would have just moved and broken the head gasket seal anyway, so it would still be in bits, and if it then just went back with a new head gasket (at a few hundred quid a time) it would KEEP spitting them out.
With the correct block (ie not a 99) I dont think the liners will cause a problem at all, I also think it would probably be ok without them, but other than build cost being slightly lower, I see no advantage to NOT having the liners, but I do see advantages in terms of longevity of the bores if he DOES have them.
If it was me, Id be putting it on the liners again I think and just accepting the couple of grand that costs, its not exactly a penny pinching project anyway, so what it wants it should get IMHO (easy for me to say when its dave's money, lol) ultimately though, I personally feel its probably Mark's opinion that matters on this one more than any of the rest of us.
With the correct block (ie not a 99) I dont think the liners will cause a problem at all, I also think it would probably be ok without them, but other than build cost being slightly lower, I see no advantage to NOT having the liners, but I do see advantages in terms of longevity of the bores if he DOES have them.
If it was me, Id be putting it on the liners again I think and just accepting the couple of grand that costs, its not exactly a penny pinching project anyway, so what it wants it should get IMHO (easy for me to say when its dave's money, lol) ultimately though, I personally feel its probably Mark's opinion that matters on this one more than any of the rest of us.
Couple of grand is alot of money mate (I've changed my views on money ALOT!) and I would SOOO be not bothering!
The advantages are simple to me.... saving a LOAD of money and removing something that 'may' be causing a problem from the equation.
Also by not having the liners I imagine the speed of which the car can go back on the road are greatly increased.
12-06-2008, 11:40 AM
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Porkie, a couple of grand ISNT a lot of money, if its the difference between achieving your goal or not IMHO. (cant believing im lecturing you on how to waste money, lmao)
Doesnt take long to get the liners done realistically porkie, it wont make a big difference to when the car goes back on the road I suspect, he can sort the machining and linering of a 200 block independant of needing Mark's input, and me and dave can take the old engine out, then when Mark is ready to build the engine again, it will all be sat there waiting for him to bolt together, so I think its Mark's time that will dictate when it goes back on the road wether its with or without liners.
Doesnt take long to get the liners done realistically porkie, it wont make a big difference to when the car goes back on the road I suspect, he can sort the machining and linering of a 200 block independant of needing Mark's input, and me and dave can take the old engine out, then when Mark is ready to build the engine again, it will all be sat there waiting for him to bolt together, so I think its Mark's time that will dictate when it goes back on the road wether its with or without liners.
12-06-2008, 11:43 AM
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it would still be a monster on track at 600 bhp martin's way, as is porkie's 3 door. no need to push the boundaries so much imo, keep it more reliable and useable and start to get some of your money's worth out of it in terms of enjoyment through time on the road and track
My car is never going to be THE fastest thing on a runway and on a track!
but the engine spec is very simple, very cheap in comparison to Daves and it really is fast enough for 99% of people on road and track!! and its pretty bombproof. Martin recently had the head off and the engine is fresh as a daisy apparently!
I'd sooo rather be out enjoying a car and using it than spending spending on it and have it keep breaking...
Sell the flash inlet, sell the Huge GT40 Turbo, get it back on the road without Liners and run it at 550bhp on a suitable punchy Turbo and ENJOY it week in, week out, hassle free!
12-06-2008, 11:50 AM
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Depends on how bad dave wants 200mph at the end of the day mate.
I personally AM going to see 500bhp from my nova, it will be a very rare thing getting that much power from this vauxhall engine, but it wont be the first either.
Its a pointless goal, it will drive nicer on a smaller turbo and 400bhp, ive done best part of 15 grand already, and if it goes bang before I see 500bhp i'll spend another 5K rebuilding it and try again, there is NO point to doing so, other than Ive decided im going to, and Ive never yet put my mind to a task and then not achieved what I wanted so I dont intend to fail now no matter how pointless or expensive it is to do.
So if Dave is of the same mentality about 200mph, then fair play to him and good luck, if he's NOT though, I agree with everything you are saying.
12-06-2008, 11:54 AM
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sorry to here this dave, can understand both side of the arguement, for and against breaking it.
chip, lee has changed you'll never guess what he's bought
dont worry lee, your secret is safe with me
chip, lee has changed you'll never guess what he's bought
dont worry lee, your secret is safe with me
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12-06-2008, 11:54 AM
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I would also drop the liners,not needed in this application.Rebuild on good 200 block get 200mph out of it then break it (in the car dismantle sense) or turn boost down and track it etc.It seems you have great determination for 200mph by the sounds and without liners you CAN acheive it safely.
12-06-2008, 12:19 PM
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So sorry to hear this Dave !
Before we had a propa play too !
Compared to yours mine is a VERY cheap toy & I ain't got the funds like you have hence why I've stuck wit me pain in the arse welded diff etc ! It's a fun toy & is treated that way, I'm drivin mine everyday at the mo & lovin it ! Specially when it rains Soon as things start failin like yours it stops bein a toy ! And becomes a pain in the arse ! Time to move on.
But, if your failure is down to the 99 block & you know that, get it rebuilt & bang out that 2 ton you got waitin for ya ! 
You need any help whatsoever, I'm about & you got me number ! Wanna see YUM fly !Except for Sundays cos me stooooooopid comunity service ! 
Good luck & see ya soon
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Before we had a propa play too !
Compared to yours mine is a VERY cheap toy & I ain't got the funds like you have hence why I've stuck wit me pain in the arse welded diff etc ! It's a fun toy & is treated that way, I'm drivin mine everyday at the mo & lovin it ! Specially when it rains
Soon as things start failin like yours it stops bein a toy ! And becomes a pain in the arse ! Time to move on.But, if your failure is down to the 99 block & you know that, get it rebuilt & bang out that 2 ton you got waitin for ya !
You need any help whatsoever, I'm about & you got me number ! Wanna see YUM fly !
Except for Sundays cos me stooooooopid comunity service ! Good luck & see ya soon
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12-06-2008, 07:23 PM
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Me and Alex was talking about this earlier - when Yum was 460bhp you used it, abused it and enjoyed it you took it all over the country had fun and it was still bloody quick you launched it hard all the time and it never went wrong it was a car you enjoyed and had lots of fun time in...... What enjoyment do you get out of it now it just causes you stress heartache and big bucks you don't get to enjoy it. At the pod you was scared when helen was taking it down the strip saturday that it would break and if it did it would cost £££££'s again. They way Yum is now your just not enjoying it being close to you both i can see you don't being a onlooker.
If your gonna get Yum back on the road maybe its time to be sensible you have had your feature made good power, why not enjoy it again without the constant worry? Use abuse it and have lots of fun again. A car should be a fun toy imo not a worry that takes all your money and over your life
If your gonna get Yum back on the road maybe its time to be sensible you have had your feature made good power, why not enjoy it again without the constant worry? Use abuse it and have lots of fun again. A car should be a fun toy imo not a worry that takes all your money and over your life
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12-06-2008, 07:48 PM
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the bottom line is that it all depends on dave's ability to fund the next level of tuning/rebuilding
if he knows that, for the sake of £5k being spent he can flog the car for £35k and there is someone willing to buy it then fair enough
but if it's only worht £25k after having spent £5k on it and it's worth £30k in bits without spending the money, you have to start thinking
if it were me, personally, i'd bolt in a standard engine, transmission and sell the car as a going concern and all the other bits that would make big money would go to one side and be sold seperatly
then again, i think i could afford to getit fixed and go on from there, but not knowing dave's situation, or, more importantly, his drive and willingness to go to the next level, i couldn't say anything for him
if he knows that, for the sake of £5k being spent he can flog the car for £35k and there is someone willing to buy it then fair enough
but if it's only worht £25k after having spent £5k on it and it's worth £30k in bits without spending the money, you have to start thinking
if it were me, personally, i'd bolt in a standard engine, transmission and sell the car as a going concern and all the other bits that would make big money would go to one side and be sold seperatly
then again, i think i could afford to getit fixed and go on from there, but not knowing dave's situation, or, more importantly, his drive and willingness to go to the next level, i couldn't say anything for him
As powerful as the car is surely its not worth 35k?
12-06-2008, 09:42 PM
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I did have the chance to sell at 35k early on this year but then decided l had not finished with it so decided to keep it
Oh well thats history move on, the plan is to take out whats leaved in the engine bay next weekend and get the crank and rods checked.
Need to get a price for the machine work for 10 studs and new liners and pistons, also by then we should have the head checked and see what the score with that is.
So within a couple of weeks we should have a plan and know where we are going with YUM
Just need to find a block thats had no work so we can have machined
Oh well thats history move on, the plan is to take out whats leaved in the engine bay next weekend and get the crank and rods checked.
Need to get a price for the machine work for 10 studs and new liners and pistons, also by then we should have the head checked and see what the score with that is.
So within a couple of weeks we should have a plan and know where we are going with YUM
Just need to find a block thats had no work so we can have machined
