ar4ibaldo

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Got to agree with the above, they were just trying to get some money of him.

pee vee

Forgetting all the bullshit about him outside of 'work'

i totally agree with THRUSHs first post. his music is or was properly good!

dojj

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to all the haterz out there:

it doesn't matter how fucked up he is, how many kids he may have potentially or allegendy fiddled, how much his face might have melted and hwo broke he may be, he's more famous than you, or anyone you will ever know, will ever be, and you have to accept that living the celebrity lifestyle can fuck you up

and the same with oj, i watched the trial and it was a joke, complete and utter farce, peole went there to make a name for themselves not to see justice being served, and oj's peole were paid lots of money to make sure he wasn't found guilty, and they did that, the prosecution puts a case to make him guilty in the eyes of the jury, they fail miserably on every count, from the dna evidence, to the racist cops, to the gloves that don't fit (how the fuck you can make someone take the stand and tell them to wear a pair of gloves, which they admit to buying an exact same pair of, not realising that they are new gloves and all the testing that was carried on out the after they were found (by the racist policeman) would make them shrink?!?!?!!? ) and everything else like the cross contamination of the blood samples at the lab?
they had a pair of gloves found at the scene, they had footprints at the scene, they had a few flecks of blood in his car, they had his dodgy finger, everything else was circumstantial and it should have never gone to court

you can't say the same about mj because it was all covered up so you don't know what they were going to do, weather or not he did have a mole on his todger, or anything, so you can't say "but look at this" or "look at that" or "martin bashier was right when he said this" or "he's innocent" or anything

peole get too hysterical when it comes to celebs, they either love them or hate them

Turbocabbie

It was MJ I saw on the news hanging his child over a balcony.
It was MJ that stated on a documentary that it was acceptable to share the same bed with children.

Who on this forum think the above actions are either acceptable or reasonable.
These actions indicate either a very troubled or a very sick man imho

And to be honest his Michael Jacksons best music was produced by Quincy Jones not Jackson imho

lamb chops

Bad?? No dont think so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG5Nh...p;feature=user

bunch of dancing faggots hanging round a car park

Chip

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Total fucking legend musically. Only person who compares is Freddy Mercury IMHO


Undoubtabley suffering from one or more serious mental illnesses though, for which you have to pity him, but if he has done the kiddy things he is accused of then as above its totally unforgivable, but we'll never actually know if he did or didnt.
Paying his way out of court cases doesnt prove he is guilty or not, if I was worth hundreds of millions and was accused of something I hadnt done that could see me rotting in hell if it went to court because the false evidence against me looked genuine, Id buy my way out of it too if I had the chance, innocent or not, you'd be stupid to go to cout with a chance of losing if you could avoid it.
Not saying that is the case or not, but end of the day people are innocent until proven guilty, and he hasnt been proved guilty of anything.

lamb chops

because of this thread i have spent the last hour looking through MJ videos on youtube and he is a legend no doubt about it, may have to make some room on my Ipod

marco polo

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he has sex with bubbles his monkey

Turbocabbie

puts a whole new meaning on blowing bubbles in the bath

Lee Reynolds

Thats exactly what i was on about! Hes a two faced cunt! Awfull man that one!

Westy

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I'm just gutted that I never got the chance to spend a night at Micheal's neverland place lol

danneth

where abouts? i saw him last time he was in sheff awesome !!

Lee Reynolds

at arena danneth

Jamie@FastFord

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...deoID=33502945

have a look, hilarious

COMEDY DAN

The moonwalk was groundbreaking, now all the modern day rappers and musicians are doing it, the side glide, the moonwalk etc...

All stemmed from him.

As a musician he is world class, but sadly he is finished HOWEVER loving the new Akon track feat MJ.

danneth

so jealous i wanted to go again ! was stuggling to breathe for laughing when i went

rik-rs

yep exactly have a listen to what bashir says at the end here...

if you only ever saw the itv interview you wouldnt of seen this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0mjrg5Y35o

Lee Reynolds

Hmm i wouldnt say 100% Finished. If he decided to put and album out, it would sell, and ive no doubt if he did a world tour that would sell out too!

Lee Reynolds

Just shows. I saw the one Michaels team filmed. Just shows he had them film it as he knows exactly what the media are like! I hate journo's anyways! I have never once in my life bought a tabloid newspaper!

foreigneRS

hello, is that martin bashir? muthafucker!

Thrush

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See what I mean about once accused, always labled - regardless of guilt or innocence?

I kind of stayed away from my thoughts on his court cases, but fuck it, here's my tuppence....

Do I think Michael Jackson fiddled with young kids to gain sexual gratification? No, I do not.

Do I think Micheal Jackson put himself in comprimising situations with young kids? I am not 100% sure.

The problem is that Micheal isn't right in the head. His upbringing started it off, his deprived childhood, the abuse. The sudden launch into superstardom didn't help. He IS clearly not all there.

Which is why I don't think he was wrong when he said he thought it okay to sleep in the same bed as young children. It would be wrong if a "normal" thirty/forty year old man did, but I don't think that can be applied to Jackson. I personally don't think he possesses it in him to maliciously abuse a child. Certianly not in the calculating and wrong way a peadophile would. I honestly don't think Micheal is a peadophile - like Gary Glitter is.

Jackson doesn't posess the brain ability to think like that. Nobody would have a problem with two young boys sleeping in the same bed, and not even 10yrs ago no-one would have a problem with two young boys sharing a bath together! Why? Because kids minds don't work like adults do. Kids don't have the knowledge to be sexually deviant.

I personally think Micheals mind works the same way. Through his going slightly insane, I personally think that he DOES think it's okay to sleep in the same bed as a 10yr old boy - in exactly the same way the 10yr old boy thinks it's okay!

Unless of course MJ is the worlds greatest actor and has fooled the entire world into beliveing he is mentally unstable and he is a child at heart etc, when in fact he is scarily calculating and has engineerd the whole thing in order to sexually abuse kids in a malicious manner. But I don't think that to be true.......

Now I am not saying it is right, and it's okay for him to do as he did, but I don't agree that sexually abused kids for his own sexual gratification.

If a normal 40yr old man exposed himself in public he would be arrested and tried. If a mentally unstable 40yr old man did the same thing he wouldn't be - he'd be let off due to his instability. "Aw, he's not right in the head, so it's not his fault - he didn't do it to be nasty"

Thats how I think of the MJ situations.

I also belive that the parents of the kids involved in this also know this, and that they are the evil ones for putting their kids through all the court cases, just to get a name for themselves and hopefully a bit of money. Anyone who can do that to their own child is themselves as bad as a peadophile - maybe worse as they are whoring out their own child to the media for money.....

Now I am not an MJ fan as such. I was once, not so anymore. I have a great deal of respect for the achievements he made with his music, I have HUGE respect for him as an artist and entertainer, and I have a lot of repsect for him as a producer and businessman. I appreciate some of his music still today, and think it is a CRYING SHAME he has ended up the way he is now, and where he is now.

My thoughts.....

foreigneRS

it may be 'wrong' in american or british culture, but it would not be in many others

DanW@FastFord

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Bashir employed a bit of 'sharp practise' to lull his interviewee into opening up, and MJ slept with kids. I know which one of those I'd label the 'villian'!

Thrush

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Depends how you take the connotations of thw word "slept" doesn't it... Most of us immediately think "had sex with" when we hear someone "slept" with someone - but I honestly do think in Jackson's case he did mean "slept" as in "sleep". Same way you could say "I slept with my dog last night" - doesn't mean you had sex with it (well, unless you're Phil, then it does )

m_nettleship

i seeing lee evans too in september,,,

fuzzy

unfortunate then that he is american and lives by their culture.perhaps he should do what gary glitter did then and move to a country of less 'judgemental' culture?
nothing wrong with sleeping in your bed with your own children but a grown man, non related, sleeping in a bed with someone elses boys is not what any rational man would even consider not less a man with so many personal assistants and advisors.

DanW@FastFord

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I know, I was attempting to point out how MJ fans turn the focus on Bashir, when he ain't the issue here!

I DON'T think he abused the kids, I DO think if he wasn't who he is he'd have been beaten to death by local vigilanties by now!

Just because you can do the moonwalk it shouldn't give you immunity on a kiddy fiddling trial!

fuzzy

for those rubbishing the media for peddling the idea that mj is a kiddiefiddler and mocking those that believe the tabloid press where have you got the information that allows you to come to your conclussions that mj is innocent of all accusations?

Stavros

Neither of them things were invented by that mentalcase paedo, not even close!

foreigneRS

don't be ridiculous, you're just saying that based on your preconceived ideas from our society at this time.

if you lived in a country where shelter is scarce and several families had to share a space that they sleep in, or sleep outside in the cold/wet/heat you'd sleep outside because it would be 'weird' would you?

obviously MJ does live in america and so you would expect him to live by your 'normal' rules that forbid such a thing, but he obviously has mental problems and a different upbringing and so does not see it that way.

Stavros

how the fuck would his upbringing make him think its ok?

m_nettleship

hes not right in the head, i do not belive that he kiddy fiddled, i think that hes a kid in his head. as the mentality of a Kid. End of I think Still a GENIUS.

fuzzy

well obviously as i am infact a member of society at this time so base my thought as such and neither do i or mj live in such poor conditions you describe that would nessesitate such living arangements or behaviour so that is a pointless argument to make.
so what information is it that you base your opinions on his innocence?

foreigneRS

personally i am not saying he is innocent or not, i have no evidence on which to make a judgement, nor do i wish to have. it's none of my business.

i'm just saying that you should open your mind to the possibility that other people live their lives differently to you and you should not necessarily judge them to your standards. i was trying to make the point that your opinion of what is 'right' and 'wrong' is not necessarily somebody elses.

it's quite normal in some countries, e.g. scandinavians, for adults and children alike to bathe naked together in a lake or wherever, but that would be frowned upon in england or USA - does that make them all 'perverts' and 'paedos'?

Lee Reynolds

He ceratinley perfected it though, and thats who the said people/artists now follow on from!

Stavros

he just the one famous for it, as he was the first big star to do it.

fuck all to do with perfecting it.

thats like saying he perfected sleeping with children or having plastic surgery, just as he the most famous for it.

im sure there are better paedophiles than him

DanW@FastFord

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But surely he's being judged within the context the situation occured? He's an American multi millionnaire, in a mansion. They didn't need to cuddle for warmth!!!

Totally true about not judging to your standards, but by Western standards it was, and is wrong.

And for those who use his mental state as a defence - just because he's a bit 'special' still doesn't make it right!

rik-rs

another thing is, hes a black guy with white skin....

funny how all the crap on him started when he had white skin......

Stavros

why the fuck would that make it start? reverse racism?

fuzzy

but other peoples kids? thats the issue,bathe naked ,sleep or whatever with your own kids but someone elses? . you dont consider anything slightly odd about a grown man, a total stranger, sleeping with someone elses child? what happens on a daily basis in todays society proves that that isnt a situation many adults would consider a sensible option for their child.me being one of them. if any grown man asked to sleep with my children i know how that would end whether some consider that judgemental conclusion jumping or not.my job is to protect my children at all costs and not pander to any benefit of the doubt wooly beliefs .