Mike1

Birds do an aftermarket Quaife LSD for them - see this month's EVO mag ( issue 104 ) page 56

JjCoDeX75

This I dont doubt - but you wont get BMW to fit one

JJ

Mike1

Very true James - but I bet Birds do a roaring trade in them - and Hartge is pretty good on modified BMs

JjCoDeX75

Hi Mike

Quite agree - my cousins 335i is very very good indeed. I cant say I blame BMW for not putting one in - it would kick the arse of the E46 M3 in both the straights and the twisties!!!

The new M3 had better be good!

JJ

xr2i-carl

they say hi and hope your looking after yourself?! he aint stacked it mate no not yet!! been close few times

xr2i-carl

is his standard mate?

silverfox999

Who would have expected a Diesel to win Le Mans last year?

This is apples against oranges.

The E39 M5 is now 10+years old in design terms, whereas the new BM diesels are cutting edge.

In dimishing returns i would expect their top of the range diesel to be damn quick (maybe not quiet as quick as the E39 M... but there we are)

Put your diesel up against an E90 M5...this would be apples against apples... i think even wth your remap it would be a different story.

To concur with JJ; throw your motor down some twisty stuff and the lack of LSD will be its achillies. I also wonder whether 'mother' will smother all the power round bends?

EIL132

I would love to see this race, E39 can do late 12s over the 1/4 and pulls like a train over 100mph. I must find a 335d to have a blast with, but only in a straight line

cossie4i+

iTrader: (15)

I thought they do low 13s not high 12s ?????

Steve.

JjCoDeX75

Yes - it is right now, but he is toying with chipping it. Apparently it doesnt take a lot of effort to wind them up to about 380-400 bhp. I cant substantiate this, but sounds realistic!!!

JJ

JjCoDeX75

Cant tell you what the 1/4 mile is, but they have been timed to do the 0-100 sprint in about 11.5 sec (to real 100, not speedo 100)!

The real benefit of the M5 is that it doesnt stop pulling till it hits the limiter - which in my case is at about 168 (apparently - allegedly!!!!!)

JJ

EIL132

12.8 is the lowest I've seen, E36 can do 13.5s.

JjCoDeX75

Ive had a bit of a play against Silvers E36 M3, and to be fair there aint much in it - but what there is currently seems to favour the big fella

M3 E36 is much underestimated in MHO. E46 is just a glorified facelift!

JJ

EIL132

Without it they can apparently hit 186 according to BMW.

JjCoDeX75

Yes I have heard this as well - seems like quite a bold claim to me, though I must admit it was still pulling strong at 168. It is only really at these supersonic speeds that it really bosses the M3s!

JJ

xr2i-carl

eil1342, would have thought that a new 335d or 335i would outdrive a e36 m3 round the twisties quite easily without an lsd due to a newer superior design?!!

everyone keeps going on about the lsd, its drivers really well round the bends

JjCoDeX75

Wanna bet?

xr2i-carl

yes i would bet, but it would have to be roudn the top gear track with stig driving both within 10 mins of each other. otherwise it would be hard to tell

JjCoDeX75

We are taking an E36 M3, a 335i and an E46 M3 to the ring on 28th April 2007. I have driven all and in my opinion the M3s are still significantly better at the very edge - mainly becuase the LSD allows you to turn of the baby toys, and really drive them.

I will let you know how they compare in reasonably useful conditions

JJ

xr2i-carl

yes mate please do

silverfox999

I reckon that old stiggy would prefer the old M3 as there would be no 'mother' to interfere with drive and traction out of the bendy stuff.

I have witnessed two BM 'mothers' in action and, if hadnt witnessed it myself, would not have believed the massive difference it makes driving out of a bend.

That said, i would have thought that the chassis tech and suspension geometry would be much better on a spanking new car than a 10yr old M3.

Still as JJ says, we will see at the end of the month on the ring (as i overtake my mate in his brand new 335 twin turbo in my 10yr old M3.....i hope!!)

JjCoDeX75

And as I go sailing past the pair of you in my 18 year old shonky ford!!!!! ROFL

JJ

Mike1

Autocar road tested the E39 M5 ( V8 400bhp one ) with proper timing gear

0-60 4.6
0-100 10.6
ss1/4 13.0 @111
30-70 3.8

Max 161mph ( limited )

They've road tested the 335i also

0-60 5.4
0-100 12.8
ss1/4 14.0 @ 104
30-70 4.9
Max 155 ( limited )

The 335d isn't quite as fast as the petrol over any increment if both are std

xr2i-carl

oh right, i know of one 335d which has done a 14.0 already at 104 (in the uk) which he admitted he could have gone quicker and couple of 335i which have done 13.2 in america (obviosuly no diesel in usa so lots of 335i down strip all the time compared to not many 335d on a strip anywhere )

i have been told reliable by few bmw personnel that there is not much in it between the 335d and the 335i?!!!


the 335d should with a good driver break into the 13 i would say! but untill i try i cannot comment


regarding my race with the m5, i was with him into treble figures flat out he was too, was with him untill then but we had to brake, maybe if we had carried on he would have pulled out a few lengths... who knows??


carl

Stavros

Maybe he wasnt trying as hard as you think he was, who knows...

Mike1

Yeah Nick's 335d was at the Pod last weekend................however, the Autocar test is done with the car 2 up and more weight.........and is Nick's wearing std rubber?

............and the US mags like Car and Driver always get better figs than any over here...........for some reason....

You're right though, there isn't much in it between a std 335i and std 335d but I'd still back the petrol to win more times out of 10

xr2i-carl

yes mate, it prob would by coupla tenths of a second over the quarter!

this wasnt us car mags its from the strip the 13.2 in a standard 335i

nothing special about nicks rubber, just decent road tyres

you must agree that a 335d will get into the 13's stock??

stavros maybe he wasnt, but i was flat out and im sure if he wasnt trying i would have gone past

doubt he will shift up early when he has a young man trying to beat him in a new 3 series, im sure he wanted to leave my ASS standing lol

Mike1

All true I'm sure.............HOWEVER, stock E39 M5 vs stock 335d/335i....I would back the M5 every time over the 1/4 with the same driver

M5/Cossie

A 335D will not and cannot out accelerate the E39M5
The M5 is over 2 seconds quicker to 100 and this was proven by pro's with accurate timing gear.

The 335i can keep pace with the E46 M3 though but it still isnt as exciting to drive.

Diesel stands for dirty remember

Karl 3dr

iTrader: (9)

Just what i was thinking!

xr2i-carl

i agree mate definately but half a second on the quarter and a few mph will onlyeally relate to a car length or so which if this one i raced was a high miler than maybe it was roughly equal to the ton

xr2i-carl

i did never say i was quicker remember, jus that i stayed with him

Mike1

You'll just have to get down the Pod and see if you can better Nick's time then...........

Let us know how you get on - he's going again when he's had his remapped to try and get low 13s

xr2i-carl

yeah he reckons we really will and that he never ahceived a low 13 with his e46 m3

i will let you know matey, wish me luck

xr2i-carl

did better it 13.90 and 102 and i rekon i could have gone quicker, i rekon i could have got a 13.5-13.6

now just wanting a re-map

JjCoDeX75

Quick post on results of the nurburgring trials.

If you recall, we were asked to comment on the difference between the E90 335i and the E36 M3.

I own neither of these, so I can talk reasonably impartially.

Around the nurburgring, the E90 was very very quick in the midrange acceleration. Hard to tell which was the quicker in the straight line, but it could well have been the E90.

However, what became very quickly clear was that the E36 with no toys, but with a proper limited slip differential very quickly demonstrated its superiority in the bends. I passengered in both, and benefitted from following the E90 in the E36.

The E90s Traction and Stability control have to cut in very early due to the lack of the LSD, and it slows it down in the bends.

All on the party were generally in agreement that the E36 was the quicker through bends, and the E90 was probably marginally quicker in the straight line.

Put a quaiffe diff in the E90, and it would be quite a tool!

JJ

pani_k

iTrader: (1)

My dad had a 320d M Sport from BMWs for a short while. It felt very similar to my mates fiesta RS Turbo in the sense that when the boost came in, it was leaving things very quickly and the there was a massive surge of boost as well! May ot be as quick as the petrol equivalent but certainly feels more poky to drive because of the boost! I thought "fuck me, I didn't know a diesel turbo could be this much fun!"

Terry Tibbs

I once went on a trip in a 1.8 TDCi Mondeo, it was as fast if not faster than my Fiesta Turbo. Would love an STTdci mondeo