radiant red

in the process of fitting a new block and im struggling to remove the block with sump attached


subframe is loose gearbox is off and drive shafts etc but its sooooo tight

is it best to remove sump??

had an hour on it this aft im doing it on the floor with the engine lift
help please

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

easiest way is drop everything from underneath mate

never took one out from the top as it looks like too much hassle

radiant red

tell me about it im concidering rebuilding the fooking lot and pushing it on two poster


unles i can get it high enough without bending the twat!

Stu.H

Good luck mate, not something ive tried.

SPADGE

Loosen the engine mounts from the crossmember as they get very tight even with the top nuts removed

radiant red

only need my subframe to move forward about a foot to clear diffs

wes

Subframe needs to be off, not loose, i.e. no bolts holding it to the chassis, use a jack to hold up the subframe, remove the 4 bolts, and then let the jack down, don't forget to undo the steering coupling next to the bulkhead, + good luck!

radiant red

gonna have a crack at moving subrame out tom as engines on crane

radiant red

yep coupling removed and frame is dangling and thank you

dave cos4x4

iTrader: (5)

is it still in the car...or have you got the lot out and just trying to split the block and sump.

radiant red

dave cos4x4


ive removed head etc just trying to remove the block from the engine bay

Lee Reynolds

new block....not in the one ya just bought surely

radiant red

Lee Reynolds

aye she cracked the next day


just my luck!

oh and i replaced gasket before i realised

silky16v

iTrader: (1)

remove front diff makes it easier to lift out

Lee Reynolds

fooking hel mate thats shit i remember ya thought HG had gone....bugger

radiant red

but is it not integral with the sump??

radiant red

well tbh mate it was always in back of my mind but its not the thing you want after 200 miles

didnt see the crack untill next day due to it rusting

wes

You should have left the head on and removed all a in one, i did it that way once last year, never again! I struggled my nuts off to remove it, it just wouldn't come out for some reason! Try a crow bar in the between the engine and gearbox, work both sides until it is totally free, do you have another jack supporting the gearbox?

radiant red

i removed head to inspect mate

the box is supported and well clear as i have removed cooler and rad
if i can remove diff it would be a piece of piss or clear subframe

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

radiant red

looks like its taking off

ya live and learn mate

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

but also gives you an idea for nxt time

id be going to find a trolley aswell

as you can do it this way refitting the lot aswell

except you will have the engine cradle on so it can be lifted straight up

radiant red

i might push it on the two poster and lift the car over it

melzieann

i always drop the lot out at once engine, subframe, suspension gearbox ect,
then once out rip the box off undo engine mounts and lift off subframe and there you have it

wes

Can you not put the head back on as a temporary measure? If the gearbox is clear, and the subframe removed from car, then it can't foul anything else

I have done it this way about 6 times in the past 2 years with my own 4x4, only time i struggled was when i didnt have the head on (because i had bent all my exhaust valves )

Removing the diff in the car is a PAIN in the RS!

radiant red

why would i put head back on mate?

i have the straps around the engine mounts to lift the block out but the diff is fouling the subframe
surely i can move the sub forward if i remove p/s pipes

wes

To give you more leverage, those lifting eye thingies attatched to the head were designed for this very purpose Will take about 2 minutes to put it back on and nip up the old head bolts

If you remove the p/s pipes there is nothing to stop you removing the subframe completley, I hate taking the engine out of mine

i'm sure you will get it done

radiant red

"I hate taking the engine out of mine "



regular thing

melzieann

i would put on ramp and drop the lot mate i have done loads it takes me 1 hour and 45 min from start to engine on the floor, put to axle stands under subframe take car down on them undo subframe bolts steering u-jay and calipers off discs then last thing undo top shocker mounts take car up on ramp job done

radiant red

this is by far the easiest option



trouble is im doint it at work and dont wanna take one of the lifts,where pretty busy at the mo but i could do that over weekend and replace the subframe etc whilst im building the engine so it can be pushed out.

think im gonna go in early and rebuild it

radiant red

i dont fanct lifting front end 3 foot on stands

but then its another option

melzieann

i meant with the subframe in place bring the car down to with in a mil of the stands undo bolts so engine, frame ect sits on stands then take car up, hook up engine hoist undo mounts lift engine off then take car back down bolt frame in and shockers, car off ramp push outside

radiant red

i think this is how it will happen bollocks to struggling when theres no need


thanks for help yorl

Kevin B

We removed my engine out of my 4x4 Saph Cossie about 8 weeks ago and thankfully didnt have any of these problems

Took gearbox out, removed head, disconected all plumbing (water, oil, pas etc) then just lifted the block, sump and front diff off the engine bed straight out of the top, absolutely no bother... just need to lift it out with the bulkhead end down slightly so the front clears the engine bed.

radiant red

well i dropped the whole thing had it out within an hour of this option


just picked new block up so this time next week she'll be purring

cossie4i+

iTrader: (15)

Sorry your block cracked mine did as well this year

Hope its all up and running for you soon

Steve.

radiant red

bastard intit
its the worse possible scenario but at least i get to do a full rebuild whilst its in bits not that it needed it