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Originally Posted by MAD YUM
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by madevelopments
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Sorry about the following but:
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
![Rolling Eyes](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you
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Mark
I can understand why people are questioning your engines, they seem to beat everything by miles both on figures and torque wise, BUT instead off blowing up then let your engines show what they are worth?
NOTHING beats the clock
![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
And by the way, i HAVE read all your post
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I´m looking forward to se the feature with it, and if people belives the figures are untrue, SO WHAT?
Set them straight on the track instead
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Btw. have followed your car from the start, looks pretty awsome, good luck with it
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Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by CossieRich
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Sorry about the following but:
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
![Rolling Eyes](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you
![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
I have only writen how this looks like from the "outside", still not saying that MAD hides ANYTHING, just this "MAD CAMP" against the rest is pretty sad
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Originally Posted by Cossie Helen
Originally Posted by r5jame5
the car only as fast as the driver .never seen a maddevelopments car out on track only heard about the straight liners .
Kev Atkins with his MAD Evo does a lot of track days, been out with him at Brunters, excellent driver !!
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Originally Posted by MADRod
Originally Posted by Cossie Helen
Originally Posted by r5jame5
the car only as fast as the driver .never seen a maddevelopments car out on track only heard about the straight liners .
Kev Atkins with his MAD Evo does a lot of track days, been out with him at Brunters, excellent driver !!
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Originally Posted by MADRod
Originally Posted by Cossie Helen
Originally Posted by r5jame5
the car only as fast as the driver .never seen a maddevelopments car out on track only heard about the straight liners .
Kev Atkins with his MAD Evo does a lot of track days, been out with him at Brunters, excellent driver !!
It doesnt matter what you say mate. Its MAD CAMP against the wrold according to some on here
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Originally Posted by MADRod
Originally Posted by Cossie Helen
Originally Posted by r5jame5
the car only as fast as the driver .never seen a maddevelopments car out on track only heard about the straight liners .
Kev Atkins with his MAD Evo does a lot of track days, been out with him at Brunters, excellent driver !!
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Originally Posted by cossiemanden
I have never said that u were an bullshit merchant?
I can understand why people are questioning your engines, they seem to beat everything by miles both on figures and torque wise, BUT instead off blowing up then let your engines show what they are worth?
NOTHING beats the clock
And by the way, i HAVE read all your post![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
I can understand why people are questioning your engines, they seem to beat everything by miles both on figures and torque wise, BUT instead off blowing up then let your engines show what they are worth?
NOTHING beats the clock
![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
And by the way, i HAVE read all your post
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Originally Posted by CossieRich
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by CossieRich
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Sorry about the following but:
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
![Rolling Eyes](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you
![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
I have only writen how this looks like from the "outside", still not saying that MAD hides ANYTHING, just this "MAD CAMP" against the rest is pretty sad
![Sad](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif)
![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
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How about this: This lookes like "My dad is bigger then your dad, and can beat him ANY time" kindergarden time.
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Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by CossieRich
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by CossieRich
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Sorry about the following but:
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
![Rolling Eyes](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you
![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
I have only writen how this looks like from the "outside", still not saying that MAD hides ANYTHING, just this "MAD CAMP" against the rest is pretty sad
![Sad](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif)
![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
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How about this: This lookes like "My dad is bigger then your dad, and can beat him ANY time" kindergarden time.
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Originally Posted by MADRod
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
I have never said that u were an bullshit merchant?
I can understand why people are questioning your engines, they seem to beat everything by miles both on figures and torque wise, BUT instead off blowing up then let your engines show what they are worth?
NOTHING beats the clock
And by the way, i HAVE read all your post![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
I can understand why people are questioning your engines, they seem to beat everything by miles both on figures and torque wise, BUT instead off blowing up then let your engines show what they are worth?
NOTHING beats the clock
![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
And by the way, i HAVE read all your post
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Originally Posted by CossieRich
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by CossieRich
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by CossieRich
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Sorry about the following but:
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
![Rolling Eyes](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you
![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
I have only writen how this looks like from the "outside", still not saying that MAD hides ANYTHING, just this "MAD CAMP" against the rest is pretty sad
![Sad](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif)
![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
![Confused](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif)
How about this: This lookes like "My dad is bigger then your dad, and can beat him ANY time" kindergarden time.
![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
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will you all grow up for fuck sake, Im SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad im not a RS owner no more for this very reason.
Really really childish by certain members who should know better. Lets pass a micrometer round for round 2, Cock measuring
Really really childish by certain members who should know better. Lets pass a micrometer round for round 2, Cock measuring
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Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by CossieRich
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by CossieRich
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by CossieRich
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Sorry about the following but:
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
Maddevelopments: why all the fuss and why are you defending yourself and your engines like you do in this thread? maybe you DO have something to hide from us?
![Rolling Eyes](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
You are giving yourself a bad rep like that instead of just letting it go, and then letting mike be the one that´s defending himself instead
![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
And mike: look what u have done now, SHAME on you
![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
I have only writen how this looks like from the "outside", still not saying that MAD hides ANYTHING, just this "MAD CAMP" against the rest is pretty sad
![Sad](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif)
![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
![Confused](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif)
How about this: This lookes like "My dad is bigger then your dad, and can beat him ANY time" kindergarden time.
![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
![Confused](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif)
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Originally Posted by Danny@RADesigns
will you all grow up for fuck sake, Im SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad im not a RS owner no more for this very reason.
Really really childish by certain members who should know better. Lets pass a micrometer round for round 2, Cock measuring![Rolling Eyes](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Really really childish by certain members who should know better. Lets pass a micrometer round for round 2, Cock measuring
![Rolling Eyes](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
I can hear Mike saying to Harvey, maybe they dont fudge those Torque figures, surely Mark aint that much better. Sorry Mike he is
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Rod you make the whole MAD camp look as stupid as Dingy used to make Karl look
Any chance you can up with all this MAD is best shit. They all perform well, MAD cars and NMS, Harvey Gibbs, Julian Godfrey etc etc, plus countless others that dont come on this one website. You know Harveys engines all perform well so leave it there, look at Rainbummers car, there isnt a better road going cossie.
The differences may well be more with the customers personalities, wallets and requirements than anything else
You coould say MAD is shit and Julian Godfrey makes the best engines seeing as all the huge power Norweigen cossies seem to like Julian Godfrey. But like I said the differences aremost likely with the customers
Have a pleasant evening boys
Any chance you can up with all this MAD is best shit. They all perform well, MAD cars and NMS, Harvey Gibbs, Julian Godfrey etc etc, plus countless others that dont come on this one website. You know Harveys engines all perform well so leave it there, look at Rainbummers car, there isnt a better road going cossie.
The differences may well be more with the customers personalities, wallets and requirements than anything else
You coould say MAD is shit and Julian Godfrey makes the best engines seeing as all the huge power Norweigen cossies seem to like Julian Godfrey. But like I said the differences aremost likely with the customers
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Have a pleasant evening boys
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Originally Posted by MattRS1600i
Rod you make the whole MAD camp look as stupid as Dingy used to make Karl look
Any chance you can up with all this MAD is best shit. They all perform well, MAD cars and NMS, Harvey Gibbs, Julian Godfrey etc etc, plus countless others that dont come on this one website. You know Harveys engines all perform well so leave it there, look at Rainbummers car, there isnt a better road going cossie.
The differences may well be more with the customers personalities, wallets and requirements than anything else
You coould say MAD is shit and Julian Godfrey makes the best engines seeing as all the huge power Norweigen cossies seem to like Julian Godfrey. But like I said the differences aremost likely with the customers
Have a pleasant evening boys
Any chance you can up with all this MAD is best shit. They all perform well, MAD cars and NMS, Harvey Gibbs, Julian Godfrey etc etc, plus countless others that dont come on this one website. You know Harveys engines all perform well so leave it there, look at Rainbummers car, there isnt a better road going cossie.
The differences may well be more with the customers personalities, wallets and requirements than anything else
You coould say MAD is shit and Julian Godfrey makes the best engines seeing as all the huge power Norweigen cossies seem to like Julian Godfrey. But like I said the differences aremost likely with the customers
![Top](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/smile011.gif)
Have a pleasant evening boys
You are right, they all do perform well, just MAd's perform better than the others.
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Cor fucking hell, what a read, lol
For Rich:
TORQUE AND BHP
The relationship between them is RPM
If you have two engines:
Tuner A) 400lbft 600bhp
Tuner B) 600lbft 400bhp
You could look at that and say:
"Tuner A is shit, his 600bhp engine doesnt have as much torque as Tuner B gets from a 400bhp engine"
BUT you could also look at it as:
"Tuner B is shit, his 600lbft engine doesnt have as much power as Tuner B gets from a 400lbft engine"
Which is better?
Apples and oranges mate, it depends on what its for.
You can either look at Mark as somone who makes a lot of torque from a 500bhp engine, or you can look at him as someone who doesnt make much power from a 500lbft engine, both are potentially valid statements
For Rich:
TORQUE AND BHP
The relationship between them is RPM
If you have two engines:
Tuner A) 400lbft 600bhp
Tuner B) 600lbft 400bhp
You could look at that and say:
"Tuner A is shit, his 600bhp engine doesnt have as much torque as Tuner B gets from a 400bhp engine"
BUT you could also look at it as:
"Tuner B is shit, his 600lbft engine doesnt have as much power as Tuner B gets from a 400lbft engine"
Which is better?
Apples and oranges mate, it depends on what its for.
You can either look at Mark as somone who makes a lot of torque from a 500bhp engine, or you can look at him as someone who doesnt make much power from a 500lbft engine, both are potentially valid statements
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Cor fucking hell, what a read, lol
For Rich:
TORQUE AND BHP
The relationship between them is RPM
If you have two engines:
Tuner A) 400lbft 600bhp
Tuner B) 600lbft 400bhp
You could look at that and say:
"Tuner A is shit, his 600bhp engine doesnt have as much torque as Tuner B gets from a 400bhp engine"
BUT you could also look at it as:
"Tuner B is shit, his 600lbft engine doesnt have as much power as Tuner B gets from a 400lbft engine"
Which is better?
Apples and oranges mate, it depends on what its for.
You can either look at Mark as somone who makes a lot of torque from a 500bhp engine, or you can look at him as someone who doesnt make much power from a 500lbft engine, both are potentially valid statements
For Rich:
TORQUE AND BHP
The relationship between them is RPM
If you have two engines:
Tuner A) 400lbft 600bhp
Tuner B) 600lbft 400bhp
You could look at that and say:
"Tuner A is shit, his 600bhp engine doesnt have as much torque as Tuner B gets from a 400bhp engine"
BUT you could also look at it as:
"Tuner B is shit, his 600lbft engine doesnt have as much power as Tuner B gets from a 400lbft engine"
Which is better?
Apples and oranges mate, it depends on what its for.
You can either look at Mark as somone who makes a lot of torque from a 500bhp engine, or you can look at him as someone who doesnt make much power from a 500lbft engine, both are potentially valid statements
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Cor fucking hell, what a read, lol
For Rich:
TORQUE AND BHP
The relationship between them is RPM
If you have two engines:
Tuner A) 400lbft 600bhp
Tuner B) 600lbft 400bhp
You could look at that and say:
"Tuner A is shit, his 600bhp engine doesnt have as much torque as Tuner B gets from a 400bhp engine"
BUT you could also look at it as:
"Tuner B is shit, his 600lbft engine doesnt have as much power as Tuner B gets from a 400lbft engine"
Which is better?
Apples and oranges mate, it depends on what its for.
You can either look at Mark as somone who makes a lot of torque from a 500bhp engine, or you can look at him as someone who doesnt make much power from a 500lbft engine, both are potentially valid statements
For Rich:
TORQUE AND BHP
The relationship between them is RPM
If you have two engines:
Tuner A) 400lbft 600bhp
Tuner B) 600lbft 400bhp
You could look at that and say:
"Tuner A is shit, his 600bhp engine doesnt have as much torque as Tuner B gets from a 400bhp engine"
BUT you could also look at it as:
"Tuner B is shit, his 600lbft engine doesnt have as much power as Tuner B gets from a 400lbft engine"
Which is better?
Apples and oranges mate, it depends on what its for.
You can either look at Mark as somone who makes a lot of torque from a 500bhp engine, or you can look at him as someone who doesnt make much power from a 500lbft engine, both are potentially valid statements
Only just read your reply. thanks for taking the time to write it
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hey rich, yeah good here mate, must get round to putting up some pics when i have the time to go take some, living 70 yards to the beach and 50 to the lakes takes some beating.
didnt see any digs from you mate
didnt see any digs from you mate
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Originally Posted by POPEYE
hey rich, yeah good here mate, must get round to putting up some pics when i have the time to go take some, living 70 yards to the beach and 50 to the lakes takes some beating.
didnt see any digs from you mate![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
didnt see any digs from you mate
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Please point out where I have said MAD "fudge" the torque figures?
I was just pointing out how critical the temperature correction figure is. I never said that MAD did this deliberately (although I know some people who DO do this). All I was pointing out was that UNLESS the two dynos are set up absolutely IDENTICALLY, you WILL get differences / anomallies. That is a FACT. You can bleat about it all you like, but you KNOW its true. Also, as you know it affects the torque correction more than the power. Is there any of the above you would disagree with? Are you actually telling me that all engine dynos read the same irrespective of how they are set up or where they take their temperature correction from?![Confused](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif)
I can't believe this has turned into a them and us situation (although I shouldn't have been surprised I suppose
), Rich asked the question, and I answered it honestly and in my opinion from what I have seen of engine dynos (and given the fact that Simon's is identical to Harvey's) and the fact that the temperature is never shown, given, or even seem to be known
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Could you also please advise your reluctance to place an engine on Harvey's dyno for comparison?
I can understand you not being interested or keen, but to state that it would never happen is somewhat odd given your view that you are convinced that Simon's is set up identically to Harveys?
I would also point out that even now, Harvey is learning things about his dyno, so to state that Simon knows EVERYTHING there is to know about it after only a few years is a little presumptuous. However, please understand this:
1. I don't doubt for a minute Simon's / Mark's / Rod's integrity.
2. I do not think the figures are being "fudged".
3. I am NOT trying to steal business from Mark (in fact I POINT PEOPLE IN MARKS DIRECTION if they are located in his area
).
The ONLY thing I do think is that the dyno is set up slightly differently and gives different readings.
Mark suggested A.N. Other dyno. I would agree if it was the Mountune one (or the Ford one at Dunton (sp?)), as I know that these have been set up in accordance with SAE recommendations (as REQUIRED by Ford) and Harvey had to do the same thing when he did the Puma Racing engines (and he has always since stuck to this set up). This allows for repeatability and the torque / power readings between these dynos is accurate to less than 1bhp between each other.
Feel free to turn this into something it isn't though (hey Rod
).
I was just pointing out how critical the temperature correction figure is. I never said that MAD did this deliberately (although I know some people who DO do this). All I was pointing out was that UNLESS the two dynos are set up absolutely IDENTICALLY, you WILL get differences / anomallies. That is a FACT. You can bleat about it all you like, but you KNOW its true. Also, as you know it affects the torque correction more than the power. Is there any of the above you would disagree with? Are you actually telling me that all engine dynos read the same irrespective of how they are set up or where they take their temperature correction from?
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I can't believe this has turned into a them and us situation (although I shouldn't have been surprised I suppose
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Could you also please advise your reluctance to place an engine on Harvey's dyno for comparison?
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I would also point out that even now, Harvey is learning things about his dyno, so to state that Simon knows EVERYTHING there is to know about it after only a few years is a little presumptuous. However, please understand this:
1. I don't doubt for a minute Simon's / Mark's / Rod's integrity.
2. I do not think the figures are being "fudged".
3. I am NOT trying to steal business from Mark (in fact I POINT PEOPLE IN MARKS DIRECTION if they are located in his area
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The ONLY thing I do think is that the dyno is set up slightly differently and gives different readings.
Mark suggested A.N. Other dyno. I would agree if it was the Mountune one (or the Ford one at Dunton (sp?)), as I know that these have been set up in accordance with SAE recommendations (as REQUIRED by Ford) and Harvey had to do the same thing when he did the Puma Racing engines (and he has always since stuck to this set up). This allows for repeatability and the torque / power readings between these dynos is accurate to less than 1bhp between each other.
Feel free to turn this into something it isn't though (hey Rod
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