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Old 06-09-2006, 10:33 AM
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Does anybody know if the mobile speed vans give you the same tolerance as fixed camera's, I.E 10% of the speed limit +2mph?

I was going down a dual carriage way the other day (70 limit) and the needle was just shy of 80 when i spotted a van, in reality i would of been doing about 75mph, so if theres no leniancy on it looks like ive got another 3 points
Old 06-09-2006, 10:36 AM
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i think they do, watched one of them police shows on sky and the chap operating it said his guidelines were 10% + 4mph. I would guess that would change on area etc but you might of got away with it!!
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Each Police Force has its own tolerance levels. A lot of areas operate zero tolerance to speeding.

Wait 14 days and you'll soon find out
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Originally Posted by philc
i think they do, watched one of them police shows on sky and the chap operating it said his guidelines were 10% + 4mph. I would guess that would change on area etc but you might of got away with it!!
what !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! are you saying that 10% over the limit plus an extra
4 mph on top. no way that not true you must of miss heard it.

2mph over the limit thay say is allowed
Old 06-09-2006, 11:29 AM
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philc Hope so

Clare Noooooo

Rs Baz, with the fixed camera's you DEFINATELY get 10% +2mph tolerance, i know that much! Just wondered about mobile cameras.
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im not sure on that mate i was doing 44mph in a 40 once
seen the mobile camra van and very quick braked hard
down to 40 mph but nothing ever come of it so it may be
the same dude.
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Originally Posted by Rs Baz
im not sure on that mate i was doing 44mph in a 40 once seen the mobile
camra van and very quick braked hard down to 40 mph but nothing ever come of it so it may be the same dude.
I've seen lots of things on the fixed camera tolerances. And with your lucky escape, i'd say there was a tolerance there aswell, a mibile van will have your speed well before you spot it
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The mobile vans definetely have a tolerance level, but as said is is set by wither the operator, or the force he is working for...

You'll just have to cross ya fingers and hope nothing comes through...



If you do get busted, ask for a piccy, normally they show the car of quite well
Old 06-09-2006, 11:49 AM
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Not bad then, 3 points and £60 for a good shot of the motor

I won't of been far over at all so i'll hope for the best
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well best of luck
Old 06-09-2006, 11:57 AM
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Don't think there is any tolerance.... a guy on MLR got done by a mobile camera doing 32mph in a 30
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Originally Posted by Redkop
Don't think there is any tolerance.... a guy on MLR got done my mobile camera doing 32mph in a 30
See thats just annoying, 2mph over
Old 06-09-2006, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Redkop
Don't think there is any tolerance.... a guy on MLR got done my mobile camera doing 32mph in a 30





I hope the courts sentanced the copper to 50 years inside for wasting (his own) police time?


fucking TWATS


Ok so its still "breaking the law" but is it REALLY more important than stopping rapes/murders/burglaries?


Any half decent copper asked to do that for a living would quit his fucking job IMHO cause that takes the piss out of both the public and the police.
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Originally Posted by Redkop
Don't think there is any tolerance.... a guy on MLR got done my mobile camera doing 32mph in a 30





I hope the courts sentanced the copper to 50 years inside for wasting (his own) police time?


fucking TWATS


Ok so its still "breaking the law" but is it REALLY more important than stopping rapes/murders/burglaries?


Any half decent copper asked to do that for a living would quit his fucking job IMHO cause that takes the piss out of both the public and the police.

Well said mate and very very true however the problem being that the fucking goverment don't make any money from Burglars,Rapists etc where as they make a fucking fortune from motorists with their Mobile Cash Machines!
Corrupt Fuckers!
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Default Re: Mobile speed vans question

Originally Posted by SafeChav
Does anybody know if the mobile speed vans give you the same tolerance as fixed camera's, I.E 10% of the speed limit +2mph?

I was going down a dual carriage way the other day (70 limit) and the needle was just shy of 80 when i spotted a van, in reality i would of been doing about 75mph, so if theres no leniancy on it looks like ive got another 3 points

Naughty Naughty


Becky was doing just under 70mph on a 60mph road and she got done for speeding if that helps
Old 07-09-2006, 09:11 AM
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Default Re: Mobile speed vans question

Originally Posted by Phil DJ
Originally Posted by SafeChav
Does anybody know if the mobile speed vans give you the same tolerance as fixed camera's, I.E 10% of the speed limit +2mph?

I was going down a dual carriage way the other day (70 limit) and the needle was just shy of 80 when i spotted a van, in reality i would of been doing about 75mph, so if theres no leniancy on it looks like ive got another 3 points

Naughty Naughty


Becky was doing just under 70mph on a 60mph road and she got done for speeding if that helps
Justg cos your car doesn't make it past 40mph

Hmmmmmmmmm, i'm not liking the sound of this
Old 07-09-2006, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SafeChav
Hmmmmmmmmm, i'm not liking the sound of this. Time to pull my pants down then and take it like a man


Old 07-09-2006, 04:59 PM
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If its from the cops round here your prob get banned and your car crushed they are tossers mate.
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i thought daul carrage ways were 60 limits only motor ways were 70?
Old 08-09-2006, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by graham c
i thought daul carrage ways were 60 limits only motor ways were 70?
Are you being serious?
Old 08-09-2006, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by graham c
i thought daul carrage ways were 60 limits only motor ways were 70?
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The 14 day wait for you then!

Tbh theres so many factors (operator guidlines, other traffic, speedo accuracy) involved trying to work out if you were done or not, just wait you 14 days and hope and pray nothing drops through the letter box.
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Originally Posted by Phil DJ
Originally Posted by SafeChav
Hmmmmmmmmm, i'm not liking the sound of this. Time to pull my pants down then and take it like a man


At least you didn't cry like i did when they entered the chocolate starfish
Seperates the men from the women i guess

OOG, indeed, i think i may be lucky, speedo was showing just shy of 80 which in actual MPH is about 74/75, so fingers crossed
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Originally Posted by SafeChav
Originally Posted by Phil DJ
Originally Posted by SafeChav
Hmmmmmmmmm, i'm not liking the sound of this. Time to pull my pants down then and take it like a man


At least you didn't cry like i did when they entered the chocolate starfish
Seperates the men from the women i guess

OOG, indeed, i think i may be lucky, speedo was showing just shy of 80 which in actual MPH is about 74/75, so fingers crossed







Fingers crossed for u anyway mate
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okay i know excessive speeding is not good but recently in the sun paper there was a case where the judge ordered the car to crushed too is this true
Old 08-09-2006, 06:28 PM
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Chip, you shouldn't tar all Police with the same brush. If you were the victim of a crime you would want a Police response.
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Originally Posted by Clare
Each Police Force has its own tolerance levels. A lot of areas operate zero tolerance to speeding.

Wait 14 days and you'll soon find out
No they don't. The ACPO guidance is 10 % + 2 mph, whether it be mobile camera, fixed camera, vascar, radar, laser etc etc.

I know the Police get some stick over mobile speed cameras, and I'm not defending the camera safety partnerships but I never hear anyone complaining to the Health Authority,the CPS, their local council, Highways Agency etc about the use of the cameras. These are the bodies that make up the partnership and have an equal standing with the Police when decisions are made about operating the mobile cameras.

As for chips comments of " Ok so its still "breaking the law" but is it REALLY more important than stopping rapes/murders/burglaries?"

Obviously someone who dosen't know what he's talking about
Old 08-09-2006, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by steventoon
Originally Posted by Clare
Each Police Force has its own tolerance levels. A lot of areas operate zero tolerance to speeding.

Wait 14 days and you'll soon find out
No they don't. The ACPO guidance is 10 % + 2 mph, whether it be mobile camera, fixed camera, vascar, radar, laser etc etc.
How come someone on MLR received a NIP this week for doing 32mph in a 30? So the ACPO guidance means naff all and that zero tolerance is being applied in some areas.
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Originally Posted by Clare
Each Police Force has its own tolerance levels. A lot of areas operate zero tolerance to speeding.

Wait 14 days and you'll soon find out

Actually, it can be up to 6 months and they can still prosecute for it.

A mate of mine got one thru a couple of days before the 6 months would've been up
Old 08-09-2006, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil DJ
Originally Posted by Clare
Each Police Force has its own tolerance levels. A lot of areas operate zero tolerance to speeding.

Wait 14 days and you'll soon find out

Actually, it can be up to 6 months and they can still prosecute for it.

A mate of mine got one thru a couple of days before the 6 months would've been up
A NIP has to be sent within 14 days, in circumstances in which an oral notice is not given at the time, then either a summons or a written notice of intended prosecution must be served within 14 days.
If you have not been given the notice within 14 days (ignoring the day of the offence) then they cannot proceed against you, unless your car is a company car or is owned by a finance/lease company and who need more time to ascertain who was driving because of it not being owned by an individual, but the NIP still has to be issued within 14 days to the registered keeper.
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I got done by a camera van doing 69 mph in the middle of nowhere (warwickshire A329) and the limit was 60 mph.I thought 10 per cent plus three covered me but the lard arse copper did me.Scum bag.
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Are you sure it was a speed camera van ?

I thought i had been done but it was checking for Road Tax.

Steve.
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i ve been told by a police officer down with me, that you can do 35mph in a 30 mph zone, but if you do 36 mph in a 30mph zone the camera van will pick you up for it and you be done, he told me you can go 5mph over the speed limit but you cant go 6mph over in a 30mph or a 40mph zone, on motorways he said we leave you go 6mph over but if you do7mph or over they would be done for speeding, if its right or wrong i dont know but he works the camera van from our local station
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Each police area will have different tolerances, as someone mentioned earlier and a different set of fines. I read somewhere that some forces give you the opportunity to do a speed awareness course instead of getting points on your licence.

No 2 police force areas will be the same.
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Its not only the tollerances and guidlines to watch out for but conditions too. Dont forget if its peeing down and you are 5 over they still might pull you in for it.

Sounds obvious I know but i dont think anyone has mentioned it yet.
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Some very mixed opinions on this it seems

6 Days left...........
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Originally Posted by Redkop
Each police area will have different tolerances, as someone mentioned earlier and a different set of fines. I read somewhere that some forces give you the opportunity to do a speed awareness course instead of getting points on your licence.

No 2 police force areas will be the same.
Theres no such thing as different fines. The standard and only fine you can get from an endorsable fixed penalty for speeding is £60.

Some forces do offer driver improvement / speed awareness courses instead of the points and this may be rolled out nationally.
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