Turbo on ebay is it the same as a T34 or T4
19-07-2006, 10:11 AM
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Its the price that i noticed 
Cheap turbo for somone but im not clued up on compressor sizes and wondered how it compaired to a T34 or T4
Cheap turbo for somone but im not clued up on compressor sizes and wondered how it compaired to a T34 or T4
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19-07-2006, 10:32 AM
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Its a load of shite, thats what it is...
Its a T3/T4, comp side larger than a T34, but a crap trim wheel and you need to fit a 5 bolt wastegate housing as used on Renault/Saab/Volvo. Problem with these is they are only a 2" outlet..
You can buy an adaptor for around £170 which will convert the housing into the 2.75" Cosworth style 3 bolt outlet..
Another far east tuuurrrboooooo...
Its a T3/T4, comp side larger than a T34, but a crap trim wheel and you need to fit a 5 bolt wastegate housing as used on Renault/Saab/Volvo. Problem with these is they are only a 2" outlet..
You can buy an adaptor for around £170 which will convert the housing into the 2.75" Cosworth style 3 bolt outlet..
Another far east tuuurrrboooooo...
19-07-2006, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Stavros
Originally Posted by DaveAVT
Another far east tuuurrrboooooo...
and??
a pikey turbo with a TN housing...
19-07-2006, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Stavros
Not totally far east then, if at all.
Its just a cheapo turbo
Its just a cheapo turbo
Hence why you see various housing available....
Either way....
19-07-2006, 11:39 AM
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Most T2/T3/T4 turbos you get in the UK are cleaned up shotblasted s/h turbos.
Hence why companies always ask for your turbos in exchange, even for a totally different size turbo.
Hence why companies always ask for your turbos in exchange, even for a totally different size turbo.
19-07-2006, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Stavros
Most T2/T3/T4 turbos you get in the UK are cleaned up shotblasted s/h turbos.
Hence why companies always ask for your turbos in exchange, even for a totally different size turbo.
Hence why companies always ask for your turbos in exchange, even for a totally different size turbo.
Im sure the UK can do a s/h rebuilt turbo, and the US, but they aint going to be doing them for £129.99 and making a profit on top of it are they...(and non exchange)
Hence, thousands of s/h scrap turbos are shipped over to China/Malaysia and whatever is salvageable (barely) is remanufactured.
Only those setups can do it for that kind of margin..
19-07-2006, 11:55 AM
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My point is, your no mind reader.
You sound like the Skyline lot "if its cheap, its got to be rubbish" as they dont seem to realise the crazy markups that are given, not to mention the massivley higher general costs one country to the next. Loadsa examples of this on perfectly good quality stuff.
These turbos might not be the cutting edge of performance, but frankly most turbos used in the UK arnt, and just by the info given on that ebay site, you dont know they are junk that wont work or will fail almost straight away.
You sound like the Skyline lot "if its cheap, its got to be rubbish" as they dont seem to realise the crazy markups that are given, not to mention the massivley higher general costs one country to the next. Loadsa examples of this on perfectly good quality stuff.
These turbos might not be the cutting edge of performance, but frankly most turbos used in the UK arnt, and just by the info given on that ebay site, you dont know they are junk that wont work or will fail almost straight away.
19-07-2006, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveAVT
Originally Posted by Stavros
Most T2/T3/T4 turbos you get in the UK are cleaned up shotblasted s/h turbos.
Hence why companies always ask for your turbos in exchange, even for a totally different size turbo.
Hence why companies always ask for your turbos in exchange, even for a totally different size turbo.
So you can't really say they are shite IMO.
You have got a link to kwik-shit as your sig,can't get more shit than that!LOL
19-07-2006, 01:19 PM
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Well, yes, seeing as Im in this industry, and import various specialist brands, and get a couple of emails a week of these companies....
I can purchase these units in bulk, and there a couple of price structures, some with 'warranty' or I can bulk buy cheaper with a no warranty option..
There is no guarantee that all of the units in the pallet will be identical, but it is irrelevant at the price. 200 piece orders will allow you to sell at the price you have seen on Ebay...
So as you can see, if you don't know, or are not 'in the know' - please stfu...
I can purchase these units in bulk, and there a couple of price structures, some with 'warranty' or I can bulk buy cheaper with a no warranty option..
There is no guarantee that all of the units in the pallet will be identical, but it is irrelevant at the price. 200 piece orders will allow you to sell at the price you have seen on Ebay...
So as you can see, if you don't know, or are not 'in the know' - please stfu...
19-07-2006, 01:27 PM
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You ever tested them though? 
Looking at the markings on the compressor housing, thats from Zhenyang Turbochargers, you not the only one whos in the car business and gets emails from em...
Looking at the markings on the compressor housing, thats from Zhenyang Turbochargers, you not the only one whos in the car business and gets emails from em...
19-07-2006, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Stavros
You ever tested them though?
..but I wouldnt expect them to fail, as I would expect the two samples to be 'hand picked'
But that is no guarantee that the 200 strapped up in a pallet, are anyway the same, and as I would be buying on a non warranty option, there is no comeback for myself either..
30% could be 'good', 30% could fail after a while, and the other 30 might not even work from the outset...
I used to import car hifi gear in large quantities years ago, the same options were available then, as the prices are so different from warranty to non warranty orders.
19-07-2006, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Stavros
You ever tested them though?
Looking at the markings on the compressor housing, thats from Zhenyang Turbochargers, you not the only one whos in the car business and gets emails from em...
Looking at the markings on the compressor housing, thats from Zhenyang Turbochargers, you not the only one whos in the car business and gets emails from em...
I know, you buy a bulk load and tell me...
19-07-2006, 01:37 PM
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But you dont KNOW that, thats my point. Massivley slagging it is way OTT, esp when you can buy 4 of them for one of the same price/spec Garrett in the UK.
And warranties on turbos are as good as dirty bog roll anyhow, its almost never when the turbo company pays out the full amount, if any.
Ive got one, not from Zehnyang, but a similar company, and ive not tested it, but stripped it to its individual components, and its as good as the Garrett original it seems.
MasterPower in Brazil is another good example, their stuff costs peanuts, but is well proven in the USA to be just as capable as any other top of the range turbos.
And warranties on turbos are as good as dirty bog roll anyhow, its almost never when the turbo company pays out the full amount, if any.
Ive got one, not from Zehnyang, but a similar company, and ive not tested it, but stripped it to its individual components, and its as good as the Garrett original it seems.
MasterPower in Brazil is another good example, their stuff costs peanuts, but is well proven in the USA to be just as capable as any other top of the range turbos.
19-07-2006, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Stavros
But you dont KNOW that, thats my point. Massivley slagging it is way OTT, esp when you can buy 4 of them for one of the same price/spec Garrett in the UK.
And warranties on turbos are as good as dirty bog roll anyhow, its almost never when the turbo company pays out the full amount, if any.
Ive got one, not from Zehnyang, but a similar company, and ive not tested it, but stripped it to its individual components, and its as good as the Garrett original it seems.
MasterPower in Brazil is another good example, their stuff costs peanuts, but is well proven in the USA to be just as capable as any other top of the range turbos.
And warranties on turbos are as good as dirty bog roll anyhow, its almost never when the turbo company pays out the full amount, if any.
Ive got one, not from Zehnyang, but a similar company, and ive not tested it, but stripped it to its individual components, and its as good as the Garrett original it seems.
MasterPower in Brazil is another good example, their stuff costs peanuts, but is well proven in the USA to be just as capable as any other top of the range turbos.
I have companies offering these type of units between 60-90 US $ with no warranty liability...
Inspires great faith!
And as for you taking one apart, I take it you checked for balancing, or housing to wheel tolerance, or the materials used...or have you even checked that the wheel is a 57 trim (for example), god sake, their 57 trim doesnt mean it even has to have the same blade and tip height dynamics of a Garrett 57 trim wheel, so you can't even get a map for it!!
19-07-2006, 02:00 PM
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The glass is always half empty for you aint it FFS
You dont know they are shit.
Neither do I.
What I DO know is there are perfectly good turbos available for less than half what the same spec ones go for over here.
I doubt very much these turbos are as good as a top of the line job, but I doubt they as bad as your making them look, and neither you or I know what they actually like.
Be warey yes, its a risk yes, but its not a flat out "dont do it", not at that price, its worth a punt if someone can be arsed.
FFS You dont know they are shit.
Neither do I.
What I DO know is there are perfectly good turbos available for less than half what the same spec ones go for over here.
I doubt very much these turbos are as good as a top of the line job, but I doubt they as bad as your making them look, and neither you or I know what they actually like.
Be warey yes, its a risk yes, but its not a flat out "dont do it", not at that price, its worth a punt if someone can be arsed.
19-07-2006, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Stavros
The glass is always half empty for you aint it FFS
You dont know they are shit.
Neither do I.
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FFS You dont know they are shit.
Neither do I.
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We agree!
19-07-2006, 02:09 PM
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Not at all, I can soo see this turning into an lame argument like you had with chip a while back...
129quid for a risky one that on the face of it seems fine.
or
800quid for one from UK manufacturer of the same spec.
Worth a punt as there is nothing at all barring talk, rumour, and distrust of anything cheap, that says its a bad plan.
6 times the price, id like to take a punt if it was a cheap project.
129quid for a risky one that on the face of it seems fine.
or
800quid for one from UK manufacturer of the same spec.
Worth a punt as there is nothing at all barring talk, rumour, and distrust of anything cheap, that says its a bad plan.
6 times the price, id like to take a punt if it was a cheap project.
19-07-2006, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Stavros
400quid? Not seen turbo people like TT or Universal supply a non exchange Garrett turbo of ANY spec for that price...
19-07-2006, 02:13 PM
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Not at all, I can soo see this turning into an lame argument like you had with chip a while back...
129quid for a risky one that on the face of it seems fine.
or
800quid for one from UK manufacturer of the same spec.
Worth a punt as there is nothing at all barring talk, rumour, and distrust of anything cheap, that says its a bad plan.
6 times the price, id like to take a punt if it was a cheap project.
129quid for a risky one that on the face of it seems fine.
or
800quid for one from UK manufacturer of the same spec.
Worth a punt as there is nothing at all barring talk, rumour, and distrust of anything cheap, that says its a bad plan.
6 times the price, id like to take a punt if it was a cheap project.
- yeah well worth it 
. Obviously for sticking on a scrapper to have a play with then defo , but not for a pukka engine - risk isn't worth it IMO 
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19-07-2006, 02:15 PM
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Never said on an expensive engine did i you penis
And its pretty rare on any turbo that it gets in the engine, even with compressor failiure, seen it done enough, never to one of my own cars thank fuck
If you got a 10k engine you aint gonna care about saving a few hundred quid on a untested turbo are ya?
And its pretty rare on any turbo that it gets in the engine, even with compressor failiure, seen it done enough, never to one of my own cars thank fuck
If you got a 10k engine you aint gonna care about saving a few hundred quid on a untested turbo are ya?
19-07-2006, 02:18 PM
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the thing i was thinking was even if you have a genuine garrett turbo if you run it at a higher boost that it is set at when you receive it the warranty is not worth the papper its on, as you just get its been running to high of a boost if you try to get it fixed under the warrenty ????????
and before you say why its just me been tight i have a stage 3 turbo techincs on my cossie but there are a lot of people who can not afford these prices.......this is why i posted this topic
the post was not about how good or shit they are just are they a cheap turbo for somone that needs one but has not got much money..(at least they would be back on the roads)
and before you say why its just me been tight i have a stage 3 turbo techincs on my cossie but there are a lot of people who can not afford these prices.......this is why i posted this topic
the post was not about how good or shit they are just are they a cheap turbo for somone that needs one but has not got much money..(at least they would be back on the roads)
19-07-2006, 02:24 PM
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For that price you cant expect it to be the bollox but you ain't got alot to lose!!! its a good idea especialy as car tuning is about trying new things isn't it or are we going off what specialists know? and thats it
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Originally Posted by Stavros
Never said on an expensive engine did i you penis
If you got a 10k engine you aint gonna care about saving a few hundred quid on a untested turbo are ya?
If you got a 10k engine you aint gonna care about saving a few hundred quid on a untested turbo are ya?
The turbo at the top of the page if it does what it says is good for 450bhp, so you would only choose that spec (i hope) if you are going for 400-450bhp...
How many cheap scrapper 450bhp engines are there out there....?
The poster of this thread is asking if its comparable to a T34 or T4, so I pretty much assume hes NOT going for 10psi and 204bhp!
Its not like were talking about a chinese standard T25 or standard T3 replacement...
19-07-2006, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Stavros
And its pretty rare on any turbo that it gets in the engine, even with compressor failiure, seen it done enough, never to one of my own cars thank fuck
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19-07-2006, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by lawnsy
the thing i was thinking was even if you have a genuine garrett turbo if you run it at a higher boost that it is set at when you receive it the warranty is not worth the papper its on, as you just get its been running to high of a boost if you try to get it fixed under the warrenty ????????
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Its a gamble on my part, but you weigh it up against the discount...
19-07-2006, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveAVT
Im not talking about end user warranty - If I buy a load of turbos with no warranty, I mean, if 20 of them fall apart when I take them out of the box without even using them, I get no comeback...
Its a gamble on my part, but you weigh it up against the discount...
Its a gamble on my part, but you weigh it up against the discount...
19-07-2006, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Stavros
400quid? Not seen turbo people like TT or Universal supply a non exchange Garrett turbo of ANY spec for that price...